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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 1:10 pm

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Breaking News: One point now separates the bottom three teams after London Wasps home win against Saracens.

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POS Aviva PremiershipPLAYEDWONDREWLOST P F P A P D T F T A TBP LBP POINTS
1 Homepage 4Leicester Tigers19151 3 484 420 +64 53 39 0 3 65
2 Homepage 7Harlequins19130 6 496 459 +37 54 48 3 5 60
3 Homepage 2Gloucester19130 6 492 443 +49 56 45 3 4 59
4 Homepage 8Newcastle Falcons19111 7 474 441 +33 50 41 1 7 54
5 Homepage 12Sale Sharks19 11 0 8 484 455 +29 52 46 2 8 54
6 Homepage 9Northampton Saints19101 8 476 459 +17 50 47 2 7 51
7 Homepage 5London Irish1910 0 9 479 465 +14 51 46 2 8 50
8 Homepage 50London Welsh17 8 3 8 446 433 +13 47 42 0 8 46
9 Homepage 1Bath Rugby1990 10 449 462 -13 44 49 0 8 44
10 Homepage 11Saracens1941 14 393 479 -86 34 52 0 725
11 Homepage 57Worcester Warriors1931 15 411 465 -54 36 51 1 9 24
12 Homepage 6London Wasps 1930 16 378 481 -103 33 54 0 12 24






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 1:39 pm

Some tasty fixtures this week with Newcastle Leicester a huge one. I have back to back home games

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 1:45 pm

Think I have back to back away games. Tough. Will have to be some real thought behind team selection and tactics.
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Post by stnick88 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 2:01 pm

Random but I'd love to see armitage v tipuric in a game. Dont think they have ever faced each other.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 2:05 pm

What time is LV final anyone?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 2:06 pm

Think its a 3 o'clock kick off mate.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:14 pm

That was shocking for Wallace on the openside in defence. He can do all the fancy offloads he likes but to let Powell through the gap like that is criminal!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:15 pm

Sale dominating a scrum is not a sight I've seen often this year!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:22 pm

Am cooking dinner so missed it. Quins 8-3 up.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:23 pm

Poor from Wallace.

I can JJ coming on in the 2nd

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:26 pm

As I say, not seen the whole game, but on two phases in this Sale possession I've seen Wallace in at the breakdown slowing Sale ball, which says to me he's doing his job.

If he missed a tackle, he missed a tackle, he won't be the last.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:28 pm

If you see it Pete you will see what I mean. He is late of the scrum and then Powell just runs round him. Not even in a position to make a tackle.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:32 pm

so frustrating when Sale kick the ball away as soon as there isn't an obvious option. Just hit it up and start again.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:34 pm

That was an excellent turnover from Wallace though!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:36 pm

I'm dipping in and out the game as cooking a roast, so difficult fo rme to get a proper picture of what's happening, but Cips has looked to be playing well the bits I've caught.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:37 pm

Some odd decisions made but he is doing ok. Nothing special though.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 3:40 pm

ref has been poor for both sides though

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:02 pm

Typical Cipriani

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:15 pm

Only one team in this, Sale v poor

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:20 pm

Harlequins are such a good team - O'Shea has done an incredible job with building the squad he has done.

Lovely try for Sale there though.

Cipriani having an odd game, seems like he is trying too hard to make the killer ball and look special on tv.

Dickson and Botica would start at most other AP clubs.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:34 pm

Karl Dickson is too good to be Danny Care's back up.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:37 pm

I think Botica is pretty average, like Dickson tho

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:40 pm

Botica hasn't had a great game today, but he kicks his goals and runs a game well. Would have him at Sale in a heartbeat.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 4:42 pm

Sale's skills have been fecking dire today. Need to beat Bath on Friday!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:11 pm

Botica doesn't miss kicks, manages the game very well - I'd definitely have him starting at Wasps, he'd be a great signing for a team like Saints too.

For what was almost a Quins 'B' team to some extent that was very impressive, wonder how long it will be before Ireland approach O'Shea.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:32 pm

Just looks pretty average to me

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Post by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 5:33 pm

Oshea has made it clear he does not want the Ireland job but they should be interested in him as he seems a terrific coach.

Botica class act runs a game better than most ap tens

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Post by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 8:58 pm

Not sure he will ever sort it. He is a worse defender than cips. Tidy player apart from that though

http://www.superxv.com/news/super15_rugby_news.asp?id=38228#.UUYt51wgHCQ

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:00 pm

Lol...nobody is that bad

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Post by Fluxy Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:05 pm

Who hasn't been exposed by gear, he's a big guy! Bit of a nonsense story.

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Post by Guest Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:41 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Lol...nobody is that bad

They could have a bad tackle off. Cips is more due to fear Barrets tackling is more awful technique

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:46 pm

Just watched Stormers v Chiefs from last week. Unbelievable game.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 9:47 pm

Him and Dagg can compare notes on how to tackle big wingers

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 17 Mar 2013, 10:15 pm

Some good points in the Guardian for once!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/mar/17/stuart-lancaster-england-six-lessons

Reckon the likes of Brown, Ashton, Goode and Barritt well and truly blew their chances for the Lions!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 17 Mar 2013, 10:19 pm

Only Ashton had a real chance I think. Brown perhaps as an outsider but Goode and Barritt never stood a chance for me.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 17 Mar 2013, 10:23 pm

I hope we use the summer tour to get Ashton into the game more, and then find an actual left wing!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 17 Mar 2013, 10:30 pm

Ashton needs to be dropped.

It's not the teams responsibility to get him into form, he can't tackle!

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Post by Guest Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:32 am

I think they need Ashton needs to be left to find his form with sarries and agree is not England's job to do It. Said the same when youngs was playing like a drain.

Take some time out and work your form out but England should be for fit and firing players only.


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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:48 am

I agree that Ashton has been really off the mark and has to work on his tackling, but at the same time you've got to look at the backline as a whole who aren't creating chances for either wing.

I watched the game again last night and there were two chances where Ashton had made a good run and Brown failed to make the final pass. Tuilagi did the same when he butchered a big overlap.

The game definitely showed some big areas of concern for us and Telegraph has picked 5 players Lancaster should look at now to improve thing - agree that Kvesvic should be given a go, think he's been outstanding this season.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/picturegalleries/9936892/Five-players-England-should-turn-to.html#?frame=2512358

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Post by stnick88 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:49 am

Kvesic will only improve at Glos as well you would hope.

Fraser is a quality player as well. Both good options. Always a chance Armitage will return to England as well, hasnt renewed his contract at Toulon yet as far as I know and is out of contract in June. Wonder whether Robshaw will now move back to 6.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:51 am

Be good to see Kvesic, Eastmond, Fraser, Vunipola, May, Yarde, Wade all involved in the summer. Not sure on Eastmonds best position though. 12 would be handy.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:56 am

Would imagine that Robshaw will do Nick, think we've been a bit lucky with the breakdown in the first 4 games, but as soon as we went up against two class 7's we got exposed. Thought Warburton was amazing.

Could be a great move to Gloucester for him, as playing with Morgan could only do him good. I've been really impressed with Wallace at Quins too.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:57 am

Only thing with Eastmond that could count against him in the centres is his size.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:01 am

They were talking about the 6N on TS last night.

We only actually created 1 try the whole 6N (open play move), the other 4 were individual push overs with a defensive line set.

They kind of said Farrell and also Barritt were not the way forward. There was talk of SL looking to build a solid team then bring in individual flair, Farrell & Barritt possibly not being part of this.

Eastmond is apparently seen as a potential 12 and partner for Manu

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:15 am

Eastmond has looked very good for Bath, is it mostly Banahan at 12 and him at 13 though?

The summer tour will be a big show of Lancaster's intentions with the players he picks and opting for hopefully a more expansive game. SCW writes some good pieces in the Mail and just goes on about the need to attack and look for tries.

Would really want to see both Vunipolas, Daly, Wade, Eastmond, Kvesvic, Fraser, Thomas and maybe even Charlie Matthews from Quins go for the experience. He's again been very good in every game I've seen him play. Would potentially also like to see Varndell go, he's performances deserve another chance, as his defence has come on very well under Young.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:28 am

Not sure on Varndell. He has scored a lot of tries for Wasps this season but generally just run ins. Think he lacks that spark and his defence is awful. All Wasps fans I know think he is a p ussy in defence.

May, Wade and Yarde all have more about them and are younger and the future.


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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:36 am

He wasn't good defensively when he started, but would say his defence is good enough now. Thing that lets Varndell down is his physicality.

He's scored some cracking tries this season.

I'm not sure about Yarde, nothing I've seen from him says that he's got what it takes to be an international yet. Has had a good season, would say some time in the Saxons first would be best for him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:40 am

A big no to Varndell

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Post by stnick88 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:55 am

Yeh but the summer tour is a chance to test players that could make it, Eastmond, Yarde etc are on good form so give them a go. both young and exciting players.

Varndell has had his chance. He will not get picked for England I can guarantee that his try scoring record is superb but his defence isnt up to it.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 18 Mar 2013, 11:06 am

Same argument could be made for Armitage though Nick.

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