What no BOD stamp thread?

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:24 pm

Had it been by any other player to any other nation than Italy, this thread would be buzzing with those calling for his head and those vehemently arguing that St Brian is incapable of sin. Just saying censored

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:27 pm

Personally, I believe Favaro should receive a lifetime ban for daring to "chest" the great ones foot. Disgusting!

by Bathman_in_London Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:27 pm

If it had been in the middle of the tournament it would have attracted a large amount of attention too I think. Personally I think he should have a couple of weeks off, although he was probably going to anyway until HC time.

by sirBiggles Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:57 pm

How dare you suggest BOD a dirty player... I believe the last one to suggest this was the great Henson, and look what happened to him. A brilliant career cut short by endless bizarre mis-haps, which can only be contributed to unforseen accidents. Strange that, he openly accused BOD of being a dirty player and disaperaed into the distance himself.... Conspiracy theory.. Whistle

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:58 pm

Hore and Thomson seemed to get a lot of negative press and much of it warranted, though by no means all. Healy and BOD don't seem to have attracted nearly as much attention but BOD will get some sort of ban for his dangerous play just as Healy did and rightly so.

But no need to label them as psychopaths or representative of their teams lawlessness in general. Not when they came 5th and lost to Italy. That's how far Ireland have tumbled this year.

by sirBiggles Mon 18 Mar 2013, 3:58 pm

Joking aside, what a shame that such a great player had to bring down the curtains on his international career in the manner it happened.

If cited, reckon it will be no more than a week or so... Looked worse than it was....

by glamorganalun Mon 18 Mar 2013, 4:02 pm

Should have been a red card and it was in front of the touch judge, I seem to remember a photo with his fingers in Henson's eyes in the 2005 GS match at Cardiff, he got away with that one.

by SecretFly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 4:06 pm

What No BOD Stamp Thread??????

Oh I'm wrong. There is one, thankfully. Blessings be upon it.

by whocares Mon 18 Mar 2013, 4:12 pm

hey, where's Michalak-cowardly-hitting Hogg thread ?
I see nobody really cares about it either Sad

by GLove39 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 5:13 pm

whocares wrote:hey, where's Michalak-cowardly-hitting Hogg thread ?
I see nobody really cares about it either

Very good point. Although the rugby gods dispensed quick retribution upon Michalak on the pitch anyways...

by gavstar Mon 18 Mar 2013, 5:45 pm

bod ,as well as the stamp. pressed the edge of his hand in the guys cheek bone and pushed down his body weight. happens all the time i hear you say. should have had red card, no question.

the fingers in hensons eyes were also accompanied by verbals unworthy of a classy player.

i think he was a great player, and he has always had a dig, trip, etc in his game, he's no angel.

so, henson got a 6 week ban for stopping a player throttle him , what will bod get?

by SecretFly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 5:57 pm

gavstar wrote:

so, henson got a 6 week ban for stopping a player throttle him , what will bod get?

He'll get remembered for the great player he was.....as all the great ones do. Wink

by **LondonTiger** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 6:03 pm

My 12 year old nephew watching BOD at the weekend was reminiscent of when my Grandad took me to the cinema at a similar age to see a screening of an Ali fight. On Saturday he looked as I must have then unbelieving that this person could be deemed a legend by my elders.

BOD was indeed great, but over the last two weekends he has looked liek a punch drunk fighter.

by SecretFly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 6:08 pm

LondonTiger wrote:

BOD was indeed great, but over the last two weekends he has looked liek a punch drunk fighter.

All the more heroic..as the oldest warrior tried to make sense of the rot going on around him... and still putting his body on the line as example of the sacrifice needed. No great player remains young forever but all of them remain great.

by **LondonTiger** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 6:10 pm

It just saddens me.

by GLove39 Mon 18 Mar 2013, 6:11 pm

Well BOD has been cited
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/mar/18/brian-odriscoll-cited-stamping-ireland-italy

by SecretFly Mon 18 Mar 2013, 6:14 pm

I was proud.... and I've watched him all through his pomp and see that gaze now in his eyes is still the same. Yes, Ireland crumbling before him but he's still majestic in his ever increasing frailty. It's possibly even a more heroic ending than a crowing kock one holding aloft a cup.

by **rodders** Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:11 pm

BOD's showed a lot more fight and hunger than many of his younger and less decorated teammates in this shambolic campaign. The fire burns bright and I suspect he will be carrying on.

There's no excuse for the stamp. though..clearly he lost the run of himself and mistook the Italian player for Declan Kidney..... Whistle

by **Notch** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 12:08 am

You guys are clueless; see below

Spoiler:

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue 19 Mar 2013, 6:42 am

Not wishing to hijack a BOD thread, but can't believe that Michalak hasn't been cited - a cowardly act, from behind, ineffectual only because it was Feckless Freddie

by **George Carlin** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 7:13 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Not wishing to hijack a BOD thread, but can't believe that Michalak hasn't been cited - a cowardly act, from behind, ineffectual only because it was Feckless Freddie

And because, as Fox Sports Australia are so fond of saying, if you're hit by a scrum half, officially it Doesn't Hurt.

by clivemcl Tue 19 Mar 2013, 8:06 am

I have to say (again) I hate seeing this. I mean say your watching with your kid and you are going on about Brian's legendary status, and then your kid sees Irelands best ever player doing this. Sorry to sound like a goody two shoes, but its just not a good example.

I can't be sure but I think Favaro had his legs trapped (it happens). Should it still be penalised? YES. Should he get assaulted for not moving when he is physically unable to? NO.

To me, in most situations like this, you would happily take a lineout further up the field, so why not just draw the ref's attention to the matter and reap the benefits. Thats what the rules are for.

It makes me think that these actions are pure malice and hatred and I just don't enjoy seeing that in the sport I love.

If two people square up, that's fine, go for it. But when you hit/trip someone from behind, or kick the crap out of them on the ground, you are going to lose some of my respect no matter how talented you are.

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue 19 Mar 2013, 8:48 am

Is the the likelihood is that there will be no effective ban on BOD's and Leinster's European aspirations though?

It wasn't nasty as such imo. Just petulant. 2 weeks is my guess.

by maestegmafia Tue 19 Mar 2013, 8:49 am

Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:09 am

maestegmafia wrote:Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

I have to say that I don't understand that question.
And I'm far from being an Ashton apologist.
Give me a match time clock hint and I'll get back to you maest.

by doctor_grey Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:11 am

I feel bad I can't contribute to beating up Mr. O'Driscoll. I never saw the alleged stamp. When in the match was it? Seriously.

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:19 am

doctor_grey wrote:I feel bad I can't contribute to beating up Mr. O'Driscoll. I never saw the alleged stamp. When in the match was it? Seriously.

28mins http://www.espnscrum.com/six-nations-2013/rugby/story/178986.html

by Mickado Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:22 am

29 Mins Doc.

Think he deserved red, really stupid thing to do. Totally out of character for him, think he's only ever had 1 YC at international level and it wasn't for foul play so I would expect a short enough ban.

by fa0019 Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:31 am

I have to agree looking back it should have been a red. I thought only Yellow when I originally saw it but the way he followed through post stamp just showed he knew what he was doing. I would say its worse than Healy's IMO.

Shame if its his last match in an Ireland jersey but most great players stay on too long anyhow. The fight in them is still as strong but their body says no. The sign of a great competitor.

by doctor_grey Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:34 am

Mickado wrote:29 Mins Doc.

Think he deserved red, really stupid thing to do. Totally out of character for him, think he's only ever had 1 YC at international level and it wasn't for foul play so I would expect a short enough ban.

Cricky. Just saw it. Thanks for the link and info.
Right in the chest or stomach. That's real bad. I agree that was red.

Shocking O'Driscoll would do that. Always been a great player and class act.

by maestegmafia Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:35 am

greytiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

I have to say that I don't understand that question.
And I'm far from being an Ashton apologist.
Give me a match time clock hint and I'll get back to you maest.

Match clock on the BBC says 0:53:05 I think he stamps on Jamie Roberts wrist then gets pushed on his arse by AWJ.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:41 am

fa0019 wrote:I have to agree looking back it should have been a red. I thought only Yellow when I originally saw it but the way he followed through post stamp just showed he knew what he was doing. I would say its worse than Healy's IMO.

It looked like red to me straight away but for me it was a less viloent/forceful stamp when compared to Healy. Healy was done with a mid-range offence, my gut feel is that BODs was a low end. While it was more forceful than the one Adam Thompson did against Scotland it was not on the head - so I would have expected a ban in line with that.

Looking for the Ashton thing now and will comment on that once seen.

by doctor_grey Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:42 am

maestegmafia wrote:
greytiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

I have to say that I don't understand that question.
And I'm far from being an Ashton apologist.
Give me a match time clock hint and I'll get back to you maest.

Match clock on the BBC says 0:53:05 I think he stamps on Jamie Roberts wrist then gets pushed on his arse by AWJ.

Just saw that one too. I couldn't tell if he caught someone's arm with his last stamp or just the ball. Happened right in front of the referee, though, who had a clear view.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:49 am

As far as I can see Ashton brings his foot down 3 times. First two it comes down on the ball - and third time he misses the ball and looks to hit Manu's ankle and maybe Roberts arm.

by fa0019 Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:49 am

LondonTiger wrote:
fa0019 wrote:I have to agree looking back it should have been a red. I thought only Yellow when I originally saw it but the way he followed through post stamp just showed he knew what he was doing. I would say its worse than Healy's IMO.

It looked like red to me straight away but for me it was a less viloent/forceful stamp when compared to Healy. Healy was done with a mid-range offence, my gut feel is that BODs was a low end. While it was more forceful than the one Adam Thompson did against Scotland it was not on the head - so I would have expected a ban in line with that.

Looking for the Ashton thing now and will comment on that once seen.

Healy's was a one off get out the way stamp....albeit more forceful then BOD's.

BOD's on the other hand was a stamp in the chest and then a follow through palming off his face. It wasn't a one off rush of blood to the head. Thats why I would say its worse than Healy's. After much debate on Healy's stamp it was clear that their was no intent bar to get him out of the way.

by doctor_grey Tue 19 Mar 2013, 9:51 am

fa0019 wrote: After much debate on Healy's stamp it was clear that their was no intent bar to get him out of the way.

There was debate about Healy? Where?

by fa0019 Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:00 am

doctor_grey wrote:
fa0019 wrote: After much debate on Healy's stamp it was clear that their was no intent bar to get him out of the way.
There was debate about Healy? Where?

Think it will happen when the Lions have their first get together and Cole and Healy are 10 pints in!

by **LondonTiger** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:03 am

fa0019 wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
fa0019 wrote: After much debate on Healy's stamp it was clear that their was no intent bar to get him out of the way.
There was debate about Healy? Where?

Think it will happen when the Lions have their first get together and Cole and Healy are 10 pints in!

ah well, apparently Cole is not going.

by fa0019 Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:08 am

He'd still start for me.

I think Cole is a bit like Jason Leonard (in his 93-96 days) in that he's proping with a lightweight hooker and a weak prop.

Give him a platform of Hibbard and AW Jones and Evans from the second row and he would come very close to Jones in the scrum.

With his all over play also I would have him in my test side also... he probably wins more turnovers then any other player in the ENG team.

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:13 am

doctor_grey wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
greytiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

I have to say that I don't understand that question.
And I'm far from being an Ashton apologist.
Give me a match time clock hint and I'll get back to you maest.

Match clock on the BBC says 0:53:05 I think he stamps on Jamie Roberts wrist then gets pushed on his arse by AWJ.
Just saw that one too. I couldn't tell if he caught someone's arm with his last stamp or just the ball. Happened right in front of the referee, though, who had a clear view.

I just looked at that. Roberts was killing the ball and Ashton's 'rucking' looked a little unclear but it appears tome that it was not a boot on bone type of incident.

It's the sort of action that I'd actually support - good old-fashioned rucking. Roberts had no right to have his hand anywhere near the ball.

If proper rucking was allowed, then players would quickly learn to know that they put themselves at risk.

In the BOD incident conversely, that was a deliberate downward stamp of a trapped player and would have been penalised in the old days. Rucking means clearing the path of the ball - not self-aplied retribution.

Actually the two incidents provides a pretty good demonstration of acceptable and unacceptable rucking.

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fa0019 wrote: After much debate on Healy's stamp it was clear that their was no intent bar to get him out of the way.

Look at the Healy incident again http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Cian-Healy-stamp-on-Dan-Cole-Ireland-Vs-England-Six-Nations-2013/tabid/415/articleID/286489/Default.aspx (not the best). That was again a downward stamp boot on bone. Retribution/retaliation/frustration not clearing the path with a backward action.

by maestegmafia Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:35 am

doctor_grey wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
greytiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Was Ashton cited for his stamping this weekend?

I have to say that I don't understand that question.
And I'm far from being an Ashton apologist.
Give me a match time clock hint and I'll get back to you maest.

Match clock on the BBC says 0:53:05 I think he stamps on Jamie Roberts wrist then gets pushed on his arse by AWJ.
Just saw that one too. I couldn't tell if he caught someone's arm with his last stamp or just the ball. Happened right in front of the referee, though, who had a clear view.

So did the Healy/Cole stamp. Ref didn't do anything then either. No one is obstructing ball though on this occasion. Ashton isn't even part of the ruck, he is just standing their stamping on Roberts.

Missed by the BBC, certainly no dramatic slow motion relays as with the Cole/Healy incident. Exactly the same thing though. Difference this time is that unlike Healy or BOD, Ashton has a huge reputation for being a dirty, cynical and petulant player, banned several times for his behaviour.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:49 am

Maes we must be seeing different things - Ashton hits the ball first two times, and might connect with Manu or Roberts 3rd time.

If he is cited and if he is found guilty then his past reputation will count against him - but unlike BOD, Healy and Thompston Ashton is making contact with the ball.

by maestegmafia Tue 19 Mar 2013, 11:01 am

LT

Here is a link its 57mins into this video, as I said previously around the 53 min mark post line out, after Wales have just gone 12-3 ahead, Tuilagi takes the ball and is tackled by Roberts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZwd_HNcLew

Looking at it again in slow motion first of all Ashton grabs Roberts by the head then is either shoeing Roberts or he is kneeing Tipuric in the ribs. Either count is foul play.

by Glas a du Tue 19 Mar 2013, 11:20 am

Boys, boys, boys, they're only human! The championship is at an end, as is BOD's career. What is the point?

by maestegmafia Tue 19 Mar 2013, 11:30 am

Glas a du wrote:Boys, boys, boys, they're only human! The championship is at an end, as is BOD's career. What is the point?

I agree.

I still think that the Healy incident was massively over played by the media and that affected the outcome, when similar incidents happen more often than not by players who have a reputation for this sort of stuff and go un noticed by the media.

In my opinion Ashton is as guilty as Healy was and should either be treated the same or that Healy should be excused for his actions.

As many constantly remind us, Consistency is all we ask for in the game.

by Glas a du Tue 19 Mar 2013, 11:32 am

Yes, but you have to feel sorry for Ashton don't you? His career is in tatters. Refs have it in for him because he can't tackle and they didn't like the 'Ash Splash' just like the rest of us. If he was any good he'd be playing League.

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue 19 Mar 2013, 1:28 pm

Mind you, You do have to reflect on the possible response on this board if anyone stamped in a similar way on Drico...

by Glas a du Tue 19 Mar 2013, 1:36 pm

Do you? Do you really?

by SecretFly Tue 19 Mar 2013, 1:48 pm

greytiger wrote:Mind you, You do have to reflect on the possible response on this board if anyone stamped in a similar way on Drico...

That idea that when O'Driscoll does it there is silence (which seems to annoy some people) yet if someone did it to O'Driscoll, the place would be in uproar...that very idea you put forward is simply the result of what O'Driscoll is.

People don't want to talk about him in the negative (which seems to annoy some people). They just don't - rightly or wrongly in a moral sense. That's history and he's created that attitude by his presence in the game for the length he has been in it at the level he has sustained in it.

Nobody is forced not to speak by any omerta mafia. And nobody is forced to speak here either. People are making up their own minds. He was a rugby player - and as someone said above - he wasn't a saint. So he's proven again that he isn't a saint. But the world doesn't want to condemn him in the numbers some here felt were appropriate obviously. That's sport...that's reputation at work.

BTW..he'll get his suspension and he'll deserve it.

by Glas a du Tue 19 Mar 2013, 1:51 pm

Do you think it's harmed his Lions captaincy chances Fly?

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