Watch Raw for the crowd

Just trust me best crowd i've ever seen for TV, they just seem to be drunk and chanting for anything towards the end of the second hour

Properly British Crowd.

the actual show is pretty good too.

They were fantastic, reminded me of darts fans, will be back to the usual pish next week though.

I have never wanted to be at a RAW event more than tonight. It was just plain crazy. The chants were insane and Twitter was going mad with people talking about....

The likes of Sheamus, HBK, Mick Foley etc all got involved in the discussion. They need to pack all 16000 of those into a container and pay them to travel to every RAW.

Apparantely the parking lot at the arena afterwards had people honking their horns to the tune of FANDANGO's entrance song! I will most definitely be keeping an eye out for a mobile video of this on YOUTUBE over the coming days.

Topped Wrestlemania by quite some stretch IMO!!!

Hands up: Who saw the heel turn??

That was well done by the E!

Wish Punk was there just to see the crowd reaction

I was there and it was an unbelievable atmosphere. I really hope it came across on TV half as good as it did in the arena. As amazing as it was to attend my first Wrestlemania last night, this show was actually far more fun and memorable, and something I'm so glad I was a part of.

that raw was better than wrestlemania sunday night..........and finally dolph cashes in

The "DUI" chants for Swagger and the Pop for Ziggler were highlights for me, such a good show.

Found this on one of the Cardiff football messageboards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CsrZ_8lY-4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sounds awesome!

Thank you Big Show

would i be right in saying the crowd was of mixed nationalities? isnt one of the board over there at the moment?

As fun as the crowd were, it did pretty much kill all the angles dead, apart from Ziggler's cash in, Daniel Bryan and Jericho's attack. It was always going to happen, and it was fun listening to the crowd, but for angles to get over, the crowd has to play their part as well really.

Crimey - So what angles actually got killed!?

Wade Barret...perhaps...but then The Miz isn't particularly over with everyone anyway. Much like Cena he has a habit of being forced down our throats instead of someone else being built as a possible face.

Ryback?! Well im not sure the idea is to turn him heel anyway. Lets be honest...anyone going up against John Cena right now is going to be cheered by at least 50% of the audience anyway because there are a large number of people who hate him right now. So putting someone in a programme with him in the hope of turning them heel wont work....regardless of where RAW is taking place.

I'm not sure Ryback is turning heel anyway, possibly setting up a triple threat and they don't want to make it a 2 vs 1 against Henry.

JamesLincs, i know that Crippledtart and ChrisWilkerson went to watch Wrestlemania and I think Crippledtart watched Raw I'm not sure if Chris watched Raw also though.

owen10ozzy wrote:Crimey - So what angles actually got killed!?

Wade Barret...perhaps...but then The Miz isn't particularly over with everyone anyway. Much like Cena he has a habit of being forced down our throats instead of someone else being built as a possible face.

Ryback?! Well im not sure the idea is to turn him heel anyway. Lets be honest...anyone going up against John Cena right now is going to be cheered by at least 50% of the audience anyway because there are a large number of people who hate him right now. So putting someone in a programme with him in the hope of turning them heel wont work....regardless of where RAW is taking place.

John Cena died at the beginning, and they chanted 'Sexual Chocolate' when Mark Henry came out.
The Orton/Sheamus match totally died.
I've said on another thread that I don't think Ryback was supposed to be turning heel, I'm 90% sure of that. They're just teasing a match between him and Cena, or even setting up a Triple Threat for Extreme Rules.
Ryback was also heavily booed, the only thing that is over now is his catchphrase.
Fandango was being cheered.
During the handicap match they spent the entire thing chanting for Zeb Coulter.

While I thought the crowd was a lot of fun, but I'll stand by that for angles to get over, the fans have to play their part. Admittedly, if the angles were better the crowd would have been more involved, but I think those angles would have got the right reaction if it wasn't for the crowd last night.

do we think that alot of the crowd werent american?

JamesLincs wrote:do we think that alot of the crowd werent american?

Yeah, there is always a strong foreign contingent after Wrestlemania.

I think Michael Cole pointed it out, that there was a strong British feel to the crowd. I saw a lot of football shirts in the crowd and could have sworn at one point there was a 'RVP' chant.

Crimey wrote:

JamesLincs wrote:do we think that alot of the crowd werent american?

Yeah, there is always a strong foreign contingent after Wrestlemania.

I think Michael Cole pointed it out, that there was a strong British feel to the crowd. I saw a lot of football shirts in the crowd and could have sworn at one point there was a 'RVP' chant.

I thought they were chanting RVD

Surely every fan has a right to boo and cheer who they want? If I see something I don't like I ain't gonna cheer for it I.e Sheamus v Orton.

there was an 'iron lady' sign too.

Orton/Sheamus match died because the crowd were expecting some kind of heel turn from Orton...as people were at Wrestlemania and have been for quite some time. It didn't come and they knew from the backstage skit that Show would come out and do what he did. I saw it coming a mile off...so I can understand why the crowd were how they were for that. Why invest your time in something where you know what the pay off is going to be 10 minutes down the line?!

John Cena died at the beginning because it is John Cena. I'm not sure what anyone else is expecting. If WWE think they can keep sending him out to play the happy go lucky guy who is just claps his hands and throws away a few off cuff remarks about the crowd but then also panders to them then they are sadly mistaked. The quicker they realise that a minority has now become a huge majority and they need to do something with his character at the very least then the better the product will be IMO.

Ryback hasn't been as over in the past 4 weeks as he was at the start. He has his catch-phrase and thats about it. He is still very green in the ring and in terms of move set is much like our dear old John boy. He has 5 odd moves which he pulls out at the end. I never thought he would get over in the long term because he actually represents everything that fans want to get away from! I think you will see the same reaction in a lot of places because for the adult audience especially their is concern that we will end up with a John Cena 2.0....that isn't what we want!

Fandago was probably the strangest reaction of the night, and from an angle sense it wasn't what they would have wanted...but then again what's to say the crowd can't like a cocky arrogant performer...Jericho was face when he was smug...as was Orton.

The Rio/Swagger feud has been affected by the crowd somewhat. That I will agree with. But then once again I kind of think it was coming because we all knew about the DUI...everyone was just going through the motions waiting for a Ziggler cash in...

It hurt their match sunday night at Wrestlemania...which I thought was up their as one of the best contests.

You could argue that WWE wouldn't have wanted Ziggler to get that kind of cheer...given they have been pushing Del Rio as a babyface....but again I think they have created their own downfall here because they booked Ziggler so poorly when he had the briefcase it left fans sympathizing with him and willing for him to cash it in and get the victory.

HitmanOwl wrote:Surely every fan has a right to boo and cheer who they want? If I see something I don't like I ain't gonna cheer for it I.e Sheamus v Orton.

I totally agree, but I tend to not enjoy smarky chanting as it essentially stops angles from ever getting over.

owen10ozzy wrote:Orton/Sheamus match died because the crowd were expecting some kind of heel turn from Orton...as people were at Wrestlemania and have been for quite some time. It didn't come and they knew from the backstage skit that Show would come out and do what he did. I saw it coming a mile off...so I can understand why the crowd were how they were for that. Why invest your time in something where you know what the pay off is going to be 10 minutes down the line?!

John Cena died at the beginning because it is John Cena. I'm not sure what anyone else is expecting. If WWE think they can keep sending him out to play the happy go lucky guy who is just claps his hands and throws away a few off cuff remarks about the crowd but then also panders to them then they are sadly mistaked. The quicker they realise that a minority has now become a huge majority and they need to do something with his character at the very least then the better the product will be IMO.

Ryback hasn't been as over in the past 4 weeks as he was at the start. He has his catch-phrase and thats about it. He is still very green in the ring and in terms of move set is much like our dear old John boy. He has 5 odd moves which he pulls out at the end. I never thought he would get over in the long term because he actually represents everything that fans want to get away from! I think you will see the same reaction in a lot of places because for the adult audience especially their is concern that we will end up with a John Cena 2.0....that isn't what we want!

Fandago was probably the strangest reaction of the night, and from an angle sense it wasn't what they would have wanted...but then again what's to say the crowd can't like a cocky arrogant performer...Jericho was face when he was smug...as was Orton.

The Rio/Swagger feud has been affected by the crowd somewhat. That I will agree with. But then once again I kind of think it was coming because we all knew about the DUI...everyone was just going through the motions waiting for a Ziggler cash in...

It hurt their match sunday night at Wrestlemania...which I thought was up their as one of the best contests.

You could argue that WWE wouldn't have wanted Ziggler to get that kind of cheer...given they have been pushing Del Rio as a babyface....but again I think they have created their own downfall here because they booked Ziggler so poorly when he had the briefcase it left fans sympathizing with him and willing for him to cash it in and get the victory.

I know why the fans were reacting that way, ignorance isn't the issue. It makes perfect sense.

What I'm saying is when a crowd refuses to go along with the angles, they flop. When they don't even give them a chance, they'll never get over. The crowd after the first 20 minutes decided that they weren't interested in the show, and just wanted to chant, while that was fun, Raw struggled to really get any angles over.

Crowd interaction gets lost when PPV's are held in an outdoor stadium. Both Mania 28 and 29 were held in stadiums and the crowds were flat, then the following Raw's when back inside an arena with a partisan crowd blew the roof off.

Next year at the New Orleans Superdome should be a cracker.

I get what your saying Crimey....guess what I am trying to say is that it isn't just last nights crowd which isn't interested in the product at the moment.

WWE creative are and have been pushing the wrong people and IMO over the past 2 months slowly but surely fans have started to voice their opinions. Obviously in some places....which are always referred to as 'SMARK' central the crowd will be much worse...but its not like these things haven't been happening all over the place.

I think the crowd reacted well at the end of the night when Ryback steamrollered Cena....so from an angle sense it is over. They are vested in the storyline...as am I. Now they may not be vested in the characters but then thats the problem you get when you have Super Cena...and the apparant Cena 2.0 who has been shoved down our throats since coming onto the scene. People will watch though to see whether Ryback can claim gold...though they will probably boo if he does.

What angles do you think the crowd aren't going along with and which struggled to get over?!

Crowd interaction gets lost when PPV's are held in an outdoor stadium. Both Mania 28 and 29 were held in stadiums and the crowds were flat, then the following Raw's when back inside an arena with a partisan crowd blew the roof off.

I think its a bit of that, and most of the fans that stay on from WM for Raw are hardcore fans, so theres less parents and kids overall.

Like i said in the Raw review bit, if we have crowds like that every week, the product will be a lot better.

Hot Crowds make wrestling better. Thank you every single one of those fans last night, made watching Raw very enjoyable this afternoon, when i was suppose to be revising.

You're right Nick, hot crowds make the product better for the viewing audience. I think it was Kay Fabe who said he'd rather watch a 3 star wrestling match with a 5 star crowd than a 5 star wrestling match with a 3 star crowd, and i 100% agree with him.

I honestly do not care that it hurt the angles

The crowd for fandango's theme after his match was so funny, I wonder if that will catch on, if it does then he's a made star already.

Yeah, the crowd has got Fandango more over than his gimmick ever would.

DA DA DAH DA DAH DA DA DA DUH DA DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DA

Crimey wrote:As fun as the crowd were, it did pretty much kill all the angles dead, apart from Ziggler's cash in, Daniel Bryan and Jericho's attack. It was always going to happen, and it was fun listening to the crowd, but for angles to get over, the crowd has to play their part as well really.

Maybe this is when WWE have to listen to the crowd more and not expect the fans to go along with angles that they aren't going to like...fans won't always boo the bad guys or the arrogant guys and I'm glad because wrestling shouldn't be so black and white and if fans do this more then maybe Vince and co will start listening...Probably not though.

Also I know that there will always be an element of people just messing with WWE because it's funny but the average wrestling fan can't be and shouldn't be pushed in to cheering the guys that WWE want to push.

I may be wrong but I have just watched it and I didnt hear any boos for Ryback until he helped John Cena up. Then they went crazy for the meathook. They were also chanting for him at the start when Cena and Henry were in thr ring. Awesome crowd and its good to see I aint the only Fandango fan!!

Best raw I've seen for ages. Enjoyed it throughout,probably more than mania!

Crimey wrote:As fun as the crowd were, it did pretty much kill all the angles dead, apart from Ziggler's cash in, Daniel Bryan and Jericho's attack. It was always going to happen, and it was fun listening to the crowd, but for angles to get over, the crowd has to play their part as well really.

This, smark crowds are retards and do nothing for wrestling.

xviperx wrote:

Crimey wrote:As fun as the crowd were, it did pretty much kill all the angles dead, apart from Ziggler's cash in, Daniel Bryan and Jericho's attack. It was always going to happen, and it was fun listening to the crowd, but for angles to get over, the crowd has to play their part as well really.

Maybe this is when WWE have to listen to the crowd more and not expect the fans to go along with angles that they aren't going to like...fans won't always boo the bad guys or the arrogant guys and I'm glad because wrestling shouldn't be so black and white and if fans do this more then maybe Vince and co will start listening...Probably not though.

Also I know that there will always be an element of people just messing with WWE because it's funny but the average wrestling fan can't be and shouldn't be pushed in to cheering the guys that WWE want to push.

This type of fan is retarded and cheers the bad guy/idiot/comedy guy every damn week and changes their allegience even more often - wrestling couldn't exists catering to this type of fan even if they are the most loyal!!

They are the first on the message board clamouring for well structured stories but will boo Ryback in 5 days if he is a hell on smackdown.

So someone is retarded for cheering the bad guy or something they enjoy? Logic!

No they are retarded for changing their allegience repeatedly or for cheering a guy just because he is the heel.

It always happens around mania time and is best taken with a pinch of salt, loud isn't always better and the crowd were terrible the night beforehand.

Why do you think they're just cheering because they're the bad guy though? Maybe it's because they're better characters and entertain more...out of Ziggler and Cena who is more entertaining? Ones a so called bad guy and the other is a good guy but when it comes down to entertaining characters one is entertaining the the other is terrible...I think you can tell which is which.

Also if they were only cheering for the heels then why did Daniel Bryan and Chris Jericho get big reactions? It's not about heel or face it's about entertainment and who cares if one week they like one guy and the other they don't...it's not retarded, it's natural to change opinions.

xviperx wrote:Why do you think they're just cheering because they're the bad guy though? Maybe it's because they're better characters and entertain more...out of Ziggler and Cena who is more entertaining? Ones a so called bad guy and the other is a good guy but when it comes down to entertaining characters one is entertaining the the other is terrible...I think you can tell which is which.

Also if they were only cheering for the heels then why did Daniel Bryan and Chris Jericho get big reactions? It's not about heel or face it's about entertainment and who cares if one week they like one guy and the other they don't...it's not retarded, it's natural to change opinions.

For a live action yet story driven business it is, it is why we get the booking we do and why as proper fans we miss out.

Everyone who faces cena gets cheered as he is so boring.

Honestly, punk was mocking a dead legend and got cheers at mania - are you really arguing this point?

Ent wrote:

xviperx wrote:Why do you think they're just cheering because they're the bad guy though? Maybe it's because they're better characters and entertain more...out of Ziggler and Cena who is more entertaining? Ones a so called bad guy and the other is a good guy but when it comes down to entertaining characters one is entertaining the the other is terrible...I think you can tell which is which.

Also if they were only cheering for the heels then why did Daniel Bryan and Chris Jericho get big reactions? It's not about heel or face it's about entertainment and who cares if one week they like one guy and the other they don't...it's not retarded, it's natural to change opinions.

For a live action yet story driven business it is, it is why we get the booking we do and why as proper fans we miss out.

Everyone who faces cena gets cheered as he is so boring.

Honestly, punk was mocking a dead legend and got cheers at mania - are you really arguing this point?

You said it yourself, this is all a story and sometimes people LIKE the bad guys but I think the biggest problem is that people are bored of certain parts of the WWE...like you said, Cena is boring and when it came to Punk, people just like him he's charismatic but also he was against the streak and there are some people who want it to end and saw how far he would go for it and this made them cheer for him.

xviperx wrote:

Ent wrote:

xviperx wrote:Why do you think they're just cheering because they're the bad guy though? Maybe it's because they're better characters and entertain more...out of Ziggler and Cena who is more entertaining? Ones a so called bad guy and the other is a good guy but when it comes down to entertaining characters one is entertaining the the other is terrible...I think you can tell which is which.

Also if they were only cheering for the heels then why did Daniel Bryan and Chris Jericho get big reactions? It's not about heel or face it's about entertainment and who cares if one week they like one guy and the other they don't...it's not retarded, it's natural to change opinions.

For a live action yet story driven business it is, it is why we get the booking we do and why as proper fans we miss out.

Everyone who faces cena gets cheered as he is so boring.

Honestly, punk was mocking a dead legend and got cheers at mania - are you really arguing this point?

You said it yourself, this is all a story and sometimes people LIKE the bad guys but I think the biggest problem is that people are bored of certain parts of the WWE...like you said, Cena is boring and when it came to Punk, people just like him he's charismatic but also he was against the streak and there are some people who want it to end and saw how far he would go for it and this made them cheer for him.

I don't think so, it's because he was punk and mania is a strange crowd - he's been doing superbly to gather heat since RAW 1000 and he has been slagging off a dead legend. He should have been getting chased out the builing.

I stand by my opinion that whilst the Mania season crowds are loud and funny they are stupid and not good for wrestling over all.

I do see where you're coming from and I imagine I'd get bored at one point but part of me wishes that the crowd was like that more often.

xviperx wrote:I do see where you're coming from and I imagine I'd get bored at one point but part of me wishes that the crowd was like that more often.

I wish they were as loud and passionate as raw bit they're kill wrestling as no face would ever get over and Vincent would constantly be changing things for the tv audience
I mean didn't orton get cheered and have a botched spot comic made about his comments on Eddie guerro?

heels like sandow, punk and ziggler get cheered ent because they are entertaining, not just because they are a heel and want to be seen as rebelling

That's my point it's not about good v bad it's about entertainment. If it was just heels getting boo'd then why have guys like Taker, Kane, Daniel Bryan, The Rock and Chris Jericho been getting amazing reactions over the last few weeks?

They seemed to really boo The Rock on Raw though. Not even 50/50 all I could hear was booing. I presume this is because they all knew about the no-show. If that spreads out to other arenas I struggle to see The Rock ever returning...