Messi or Ronaldo?

So with it been said in another thread about who is the better player but was for another debate I thought I would make this thread for all you football fans and to decide who is the better player.

For me it has to be Messi the man is simply unbelievable can keep the ball at all times, Twist and turns, Scores goals for fun and is very hard to knock off the ball unlike Ronaldo who has to get the slightest touch and does a version of swan lake and then rolls about the floor for half an hour.

Don't get me wrong Ronaldo is a great player but by no means should be in the same breath as Messi.

So who is the better player in your eyes Messi or Ronaldo?

While I really like both players, if I had a choice I would rather have Ronaldo in my team. I think he is the complete player. I'm not saying he is better than Messi and what they do, I think he can offer a team more with his all round game.

I think it's weird as Messi is the world's best player, it's hard to argue with it because of the sheer amount of goals he scores an the things he can do with a football being pretty much unprecedented.

But...

I would rather have Ronaldo in my side, I'd rather watch Ronaldo play football, I think Ronaldo would be much better at being excellent in any league in the world, Messi relies on Spanish football or he could possibly play in South America. I'm confident that Ronaldo would be a success in Germany, France, Italy, Portugal etc. to add to his already world class play in England and Spain.

I think Ronaldo is a better player, marginally.

Of course Messi statistically will be better- when you have the likes of Xavi and Iniesta in your team who control the play and distribute the ball in the way they do, it does makes things perfect for the attacker.
Ronaldo's service is not quite as good.

Secondly Ronaldo has already proven himself in two leagues, the Premier League and La Liga. How would Messi cope in another league away from Spain? Spanish defences aren't the toughest.

Messi is the greatest player of all time for my money. I love Ronaldo as a footballer, but he's just no Messi.

Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner

"FIFA 13" the best player of the winner is expected to be Lionel Messi. Ronaldo, who became a foil. This makes him feel then.

Ronaldo is better. Messi wouldn't necessarily tear up the Premier League, he's too small. It's one thing to dominate Arsenal in one game but his record against United isn't great and he would be better off staying at home the next time Barca play Chelsea. And I'll always remember Messi's debut season. He got fouled by Del Horno in a game we were dominating and decided to roll around like he'd been shot. Yes, it was a foul but to roll around like that is ridiculous. Straight out of the Nou Camp youth set up that tactic.

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

Its too late to tear Turner to shreds, his gene pool did that years ago by the looks of things...

Messi is a better player, Ronaldo has played better for the national team, Ronaldo in my opinion should have won Ballon D'or last year, think sneijder should have won in 2010 - which would reduce Messi down to 2 of those awards, seems like a popularity contest more than anything else. Remember one thing Ronaldo is better as a wide winger, messi is as good at cf -s o he will get more goals, besides the fact that there is iniesta, xavi, fabregas in the barca team - these players have played with each other for 15 years, ronaldo has to adjust to a new team and new players. But Messi is still so much more talented, only reason its close is because CR work ethic.

For me its:

1 - Messi
2- Ronaldo

3- Iniesta
4- Bale
5- Ribery

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

KO-KING wrote:

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

If you watch la liga especially the el classico you will see teams really roughing up Messi, yet Messi seems to always score against them.

Messi is amazing and i don't think Stoke or Wigan playing rough tactics would stop him.

I also agree with the view that the World Player of the year award is just a popularity contest.

It really would be superb to see Messi play in another league in Europe, especially England to see himself tested in another league but it isn't something he needs to do to prove himself.

I personally prefer to watch Ronaldo as a player but Messi probably is the superior player and will probabl be remembered as such.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

If you watch la liga especially the el classico you will see teams really roughing up Messi, yet Messi seems to always score against them.

Messi is amazing and i don't think Stoke or Wigan playing rough tactics would stop him.

I also agree with the view that the World Player of the year award is just a popularity contest.

They give fouls much easier in La Liga - the 50/50 calls here are certain fouls there, La Liga outside top 6 is a weak league.

CFCNick wrote:Ronaldo is better. Messi wouldn't necessarily tear up the Premier League, he's too small. It's one thing to dominate Arsenal in one game but his record against United isn't great and he would be better off staying at home the next time Barca play Chelsea. And I'll always remember Messi's debut season. He got fouled by Del Horno in a game we were dominating and decided to roll around like he'd been shot. Yes, it was a foul but to roll around like that is ridiculous. Straight out of the Nou Camp youth set up that tactic.

Sorry just came across this and just couldn't help but laugh at all the inaccuracies. Firstly:

1) He's too small

I give you: Silva (5"7), Augero (5"8), Suarez (5"11), Mata (5"8), Hazzard (5"7)

Messi = 5"7

2) Record against Utd isn't great

2009 Champions League final =

Spoiler:

2011 Champions League Final =

Spoiler:

3) Del Horno fouled him. Yes he Got fouled but he rolled around like he got shot

Spoiler:

Barely touched him!! disgraceful, only always destroyed his knee. Shame on you Messi.

Liam wrote:
Sorry just came across this and just couldn't help but laugh at all the inaccuracies. Firstly:

1) He's too small

I give you: Silva (5"7), Augero (5"8), Suarez (5"11), Mata (5"8), Hazzard (5"7)

Messi = 5"7

2) Record against Utd isn't great

2009 Champions League final =

Spoiler:

2011 Champions League Final =

Spoiler:

3) Del Horno fouled him. Yes he Got fouled but he rolled around like he got shot

Spoiler:

Barely touched him!! disgraceful, only always destroyed his knee. Shame on you Messi.

Messi isn't really 5'7'' and its not really about height, Mike tyson ia 5'10'' but he was anything but average size - not that am disagreeing with the idea behind your post

He is just look it up on wiki

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

If you watch la liga especially the el classico you will see teams really roughing up Messi, yet Messi seems to always score against them.

Messi is amazing and i don't think Stoke or Wigan playing rough tactics would stop him.

I also agree with the view that the World Player of the year award is just a popularity contest.

They give fouls much easier in La Liga - the 50/50 calls here are certain fouls there, La Liga outside top 6 is a weak league.

i don't think any league outside the top 6 teams is strong.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

If you watch la liga especially the el classico you will see teams really roughing up Messi, yet Messi seems to always score against them.

Messi is amazing and i don't think Stoke or Wigan playing rough tactics would stop him.

I also agree with the view that the World Player of the year award is just a popularity contest.

They give fouls much easier in La Liga - the 50/50 calls here are certain fouls there, La Liga outside top 6 is a weak league.

i don't think any league outside the top 6 teams is strong.

PL is far stronger in terms of teams, La Liga has a huge drop down after Barca, RM, Athletico Madrid

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Olly wrote:Don't get the "how would Messi cope outside of Spain" as he's proved himself in the Champions League.

He'd tear English teams to shreds. Bar of course Michael Turner  

but against good teams looking to play football, what about the lower teams who just look to make it rough

Still would dominate, but not like he would in spain, maybe 'only' 45 goals in the season....

If you watch la liga especially the el classico you will see teams really roughing up Messi, yet Messi seems to always score against them.

Messi is amazing and i don't think Stoke or Wigan playing rough tactics would stop him.

I also agree with the view that the World Player of the year award is just a popularity contest.

They give fouls much easier in La Liga - the 50/50 calls here are certain fouls there, La Liga outside top 6 is a weak league.

i don't think any league outside the top 6 teams is strong.

PL is far stronger in terms of teams, La Liga has a huge drop down after Barca, RM, Athletico Madrid

Yes there is a huge drop but I think that is because madrid and barca are so good. Valencia, Malaga, sevilla, athletico madrid and athletico bilbao are all quality teams (7 quality teams).

Outside of the EPL top 6 (man u, man city, arsenal, chelsea, tottenham, liverpool) you can't really say any other teams are that good unless you class teams like west brom, norwich, stoke and southampton as quality teams.

If we look at the Europa league then Spanish teams have dominated whilst English teams have basically done nothing. Since 2000, Valencia won it in 04, Sevilla won it twice in 06 & 07 and Athletico madrid have won it twice in 2010 and 2012. Espanyol was also runners up in 2007 losing to sevilla.

Only 2 english teams have won it since 2000 in liverpool in 01 and chelsea in 13 (but both of those teams are top 6 teams who should be in the champions league). Fulham was runners up.

The Euro super cup was won by valencia in 04, sevilla in 06, barcelona in 09, athletico madrid in 10, barcelona in 11 and athletico madrid in 2012.

Only epl team to have won the euro super cup is liverool in 01 and 05.

It's very easy to say the teams outside the top 6 in the epl are better than the teams outside the top 6 in la liga but the spanish teams are winning the european cups whilst the english teams are not. Of course excuses will be made as to why epl teams fail to win the european cups but the spanish seem to be doing it and the spanish 2nd tier teams like sevilla and valencia and athletico madrid seem to be winning it.

Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

KO-KING wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

Works both wys though, Michael owen, Johnathan woodgate, Jermaine Pennant and henry etc were top players in the epl but not the same player in la liga.

Henry was past his best when he arrived in Spain. Owen hardly got a chance, Pennant is just ok, and Woodgate was a walking injury.

Stella wrote:Henry was past his best when he arrived in Spain. Owen hardly got a chance, Pennant is just ok, and Woodgate was a walking injury.

excuses. Arsenal fans say he was past his priime like they said vieira was past his prime and some even said fabregas was past his prime.

Henry in 05/06 had 45 appearances 33 goals 9 assists. Henry in 06/07 had 27 appearances 12 goals and 7 assists. In 05/06 he was averaging roughly a goal every 1.5 games and in 06/07 he was averaging a goal in every 2 games.

But in 05/06 he was averaging 1 assist in every 6 games in 06/07 he was averaging 1 assist every 3 games. so his assists actually went up by double in his last season.

He was just as good but arsenal fans said he was past it because he had a few inuries and they said he turned inury prone yet the very next season in la liga he played 47 games in 07/08 and in 08/09 he played 42 games.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Stella wrote:Henry was past his best when he arrived in Spain. Owen hardly got a chance, Pennant is just ok, and Woodgate was a walking injury.

excuses. Arsenal fans say he was past his priime like they said vieira was past his prime and some even said fabregas was past his prime.

Henry in 05/06 had 45 appearances 33 goals 9 assists. Henry in 06/07 had 27 appearances 12 goals and 7 assists. In 05/06 he was averaging roughly a goal every 1.5 games and in 06/07 he was averaging a goal in every 2 games.

But in 05/06 he was averaging 1 assist in every 6 games in 06/07 he was averaging 1 assist every 3 games. so his assists actually went up by double in his last season.

He was just as good but arsenal fans said he was past it because he had a few inuries and they said he turned inury prone yet the very next season in la liga he played 47 games in 07/08 and in 08/09 he played 42 games.

Forget the stats, although they sort of prove me right. I actually watched him and imo he wasn't as good as the Henry of 02-06. Still a good player of course.

btw

I know quite a few Arsenal fans and not one said Fabregas was past his best when he left. Oh, and Viera most certainly was.

Stella wrote:btw

I know quite a few Arsenal fans and not one said Fabregas was past his best when he left. Oh, and Viera most certainly was.

Vieira was not past it. Arsenal fans based that on 1 champions league game against Juventus.

Vieira won countless league titles and was an ever present player in the title winning teams (forget about the scandels the players still won it). He also won plenty of other cups including the FA cup with Man city in 2011, 6 years after he left Arsenal.


Also the stats don't show Henry was past it. Averaging a goal every other game and an assist every 3 games is not past it.

But you are focusing on henry too much and even if henry was past it or he wasnt, henry doesn't represent every single EPL player that transfered to la liga which was the point.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Stella wrote:btw

I know quite a few Arsenal fans and not one said Fabregas was past his best when he left. Oh, and Viera most certainly was.

Vieira was not past it. Arsenal fans based that on 1 champions league game against Juventus.

Vieira won countless league titles and was an ever present player in the title winning teams (forget about the scandels the players still won it). He also won plenty of other cups including the FA cup with Man city in 2011, 6 years after he left Arsenal.


Also the stats don't show Henry was past it. Averaging a goal every other game and an assist every 3 games is not past it.

But you are focusing on henry too much and even if henry was past it or he wasnt, henry doesn't represent every single EPL player that transfered to la liga which was the point.

You look at stats too much. And when I say past it, I mean past his best, which they both were when they left. Anyone who saw them play would agree. I admit that in the past, most English players have struggled be it in Italy or Spain.

Vieira and Henry were both certainly past their bests, Henry never performed for Barcelona like he did for Arsenal and Vieira couldn't impact on a game like he used to. His Man City career is nothing to go on, he was largely a bit part passenger.

Stella wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Stella wrote:btw

I know quite a few Arsenal fans and not one said Fabregas was past his best when he left. Oh, and Viera most certainly was.

Vieira was not past it. Arsenal fans based that on 1 champions league game against Juventus.

Vieira won countless league titles and was an ever present player in the title winning teams (forget about the scandels the players still won it). He also won plenty of other cups including the FA cup with Man city in 2011, 6 years after he left Arsenal.


Also the stats don't show Henry was past it. Averaging a goal every other game and an assist every 3 games is not past it.

But you are focusing on henry too much and even if henry was past it or he wasnt, henry doesn't represent every single EPL player that transfered to la liga which was the point.

You look at stats too much. And when I say past it, I mean past his best, which they both were when they left. Anyone who saw them play would agree. I admit that in the past, most English players have struggled be it in Italy or Spain.

ok i thought you meant past it as in rubbish. I agree he wasn't as great as the player from 01-05

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

Works both wys though, Michael owen, Johnathan woodgate, Jermaine Pennant and henry etc were top players in the epl but not the same player in la liga.

owen failed, Woodgate was always average and injured, pennant isn't good to begin with, Henry was old and lost a yard of speed. Wenger let the players go when they were on the way down, Fabregas doesnt get to play in his usual position but still gets the goals and assists, the game at barca isnt based around him, it was in arsenal

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

Works both wys though, Michael owen, Johnathan woodgate, Jermaine Pennant and henry etc were top players in the epl but not the same player in la liga.

Woodgate was always average and injured

Woodgate may have always been injured, but he was far from average. Had he and Ledley King not been perma-crocks, then Rio Ferdinand and John Terry would have got far fewer caps.

Did Owen fail in Spain?

I remember a player mostly confined to sub appearances but not because he performed badly. In fact, looking at it:

"Owen ended the 2004–05 season with thirteen goals in the Primera División, with the season's highest ratio of goals scored to number of minutes played."

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

Works both wys though, Michael owen, Johnathan woodgate, Jermaine Pennant and henry etc were top players in the epl but not the same player in la liga.

owen failed, Woodgate was always average and injured, pennant isn't good to begin with, Henry was old and lost a yard of speed. Wenger let the players go when they were on the way down, Fabregas doesnt get to play in his usual position but still gets the goals and assists, the game at barca isnt based around him, it was in arsenal

Problem is that even though they are on their way down (henry, vieira, pires lungberg, campbell lehmann) they were still massively important to Arsenal and Wenger failed to replace them (in the case of henry campbell and lehmann he replaced them with henry,campbell and lehmann).

They should not have been sold when they was as they each still had a few years left at the top.

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Echoing some of the other posters on here, I never fully understand this sentiment that some players aren't world class, or are somehow lesser because they 'wouldn't be as good in the premier league'.

Firstly, it places an undue emphasis on physicality, as though the suggestion that someone can be kicked out of a game somehow diminishes their status. Pele's no worse a player for getting kicked out of the '66 world cup.

Secondly, it credits the PL with far greater status than it deserves. The point that's being made is that the player can't handle the rough stuff. In that case, you may as well say that the player 'wouldn't be as good in the conference'. Would that be reasonable?

What ever the reason, many players are successful in a league but fail in the PL

Works both wys though, Michael owen, Johnathan woodgate, Jermaine Pennant and henry etc were top players in the epl but not the same player in la liga.

Woodgate was always average and injured

Woodgate may have always been injured, but he was far from average. Had he and Ledley King not been perma-crocks, then Rio Ferdinand and John Terry would have got far fewer caps.

Ferdinand was a complete defender, better than all of them, Terry as much as I dislike him was dominant in the air, woodgate and King were not as good as them