Audley v Wilder

Not seen much of Wilder other that you tube vids. But what I've seen is dismal. Uncoordinated, ungainly, arms and legs all over the place. He makes Fury look like a ballet dancer in comparison. But he has a howitzer for a punch. No idea what his chin is like as the guys he's fought didn't realise that they were permitted to hit back.

Then we have Audley. A unigma (unique enigma). On his day he looks like he has very punch variety. But those days are few and far `between and often against woefully overmatched fighters. His chin? Well we can say he is chinny but the punches that KOd him would KO any other active boxer.

When the serious pressure is on he looks like a deer trapped in headlights. He's been getting drunk at the last chance saloon all too often but this is his last chance of achieving anything. Can he do it?

Much depends on how good Wilder actually is. If he is average and lands the first jab Audley will revert to type and get blasted out within 3. If Audley has some success he could win as Wilder is, imo, useless.

Prediction - or what round Audley will get knocked out in?

Audley in 5. He has to do something eventually. Probably a Sprott type KO when all seemed lost. Yes he can.

Wilder within three, have fallen for Audley far too often. Am sure you will find a kindred spirit in Union should he appear though Az

I quite like Wilder, I really enjoyed the live bunce hour yesterday.

I think Audley will revert to type and Wilder will KO him.

Audley has the skills to win, but not the mentality.

Wilder KO 1. Puts him away in similar fashion to Price.

I like Wilder but not because he's any good. He interviews well and the article in this week's Boxing News is superb, I hope he smashes Audley into bits.

Wilder is a huge hype job though.

You don't win a olympic medal by being useless, at least not when you've had less than 30 amateur fights. I just wonder if he feels all he has to do is rely on power, which in this fight is all he'll need.

Audley will look like a dear in the headlights again and it'll be over within three rounds.

Wilder is amusing. Talks well and if good he would liven up the division with his personality. But he just looks god awful.

Can't see Audley making it past two rounds really, three at the most. Audley can look good against the PrizeFighters of this world, for sure, but going in to fights where he knows he's going to be up against it and is going to have to take some hits, he freezes time and time and time again. Regardless of his opposition so far, Wilder is clearly a big step up from the three-rounders Harrison feasted off back in February and all you need is a working pair of eyes to see that.

Wilder can punch, is athletic, carries a big physical presence and is roundly expected to put Audley away without too much fuss. Combine all of those factors with Audley's fragile mental state under pressure (and the fact that he's just not a top class fighter and never has been, which always seems to get ignored somehow!) and it'll be altogether too much for him.

Wilder by stoppage, early.

Audley in 5............

Tell me an opponent with a pulse he's beaten in the last few years............

Wilder is a good win for anybody certainly better than Cunningham as he's an up and coming contender....

Does this mean by picking Audley in 5 you'll be giving Price credit for smacking out Audley in 1...........

That's a shot in the dark based on a feeling. I'm not impressed with Wilder whatsoever. Granted he is athletic but as a boxer he lacks coordination. Can Audley exploit that? I have my doubts, but if he can let go of his demons he has a chance of pulling something out of the bag.

He can't though can he. He's been trying to rid himself of those demons for years and they are still here.

I think Wilder will get beaten when he eventually steps up in class (a la Price).
Don't think Audley is the man to do it though.

Wilder by TKO in the early/mid rounds.

Audley has every right to dream.............but some dreams become nightmares.



Wilder to Freddy Krueger him.

I just wish Wilder would fight the World Class wrecking ball Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson. Such a world class operator he is.

KingMonkey wrote:He can't though can he. He's been trying to rid himself of those demons for years and they are still here.

That's the crux. If he can rid himself of them he would be a better fighter. I saw his fight against Guinn where he did next to nothing, but when he opened up he looked decent. Obviously those were few and far between and rightly lost. He has some talent. Enough to beat Wilder? I doubt it, but then again who has Wilder fought? He doesn't look that good or even decent.

J.Benson II wrote:I think Wilder will get beaten when he eventually steps up in class (a la Price).
Don't think Audley is the man to do it though.

Wilder by TKO in the early/mid rounds.

Probably.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I just wish Wilder would fight the World Class wrecking ball Kevin "Kingpin" Johnson. Such a world class operator he is.

ok

Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

bhb001 wrote:Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

The whole point of the thread is to bait people with the underlying suggestion that "Fury is more steadier on his feet than Wilder".

A bad failure of a bait, but a bait none the less.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

bhb001 wrote:Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

The whole point of the thread is to bait people with the underlying suggestion that "Fury is more steadier on his feet than Wilder".

A bad failure of a bait, but a bait none the less.

Ok

bhb001 wrote:Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

There is hope. He has to come good eventually.

A-Force in 5.

Plenty of HW shocks of late.

hampo171 wrote:You don't win a olympic medal by being useless...

True that.

azania wrote:

bhb001 wrote:Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

There is hope. He has to come good eventually.

Why? He may be A-Force, but he isn't A-Force of nature, what ever his press release says!!

Il Gialloblu wrote:

hampo171 wrote:You don't win a olympic medal by being useless...

True that.

Sadly that suggests that because Audley won Gold he must be better that Wilder who could only manage a paltry Bronze. However, David Price also only managed a paltry Bronze medal and we all saw what happened there.

I've no axe to grind with Wilder peronally (sure he's a lovely bloke) but the bandwagoniing idiots who praise him to the Heavens need to be stopped (BTW it's the same kind of ninnys who started bandying about Trout's name after he beat Cotto..you know the type).

For my sanity (if nothing else), I'd like to see Audley win and put and end to this Deontay Wilder love-in that's become, quite frankly, nauseating.

BOMB SQUAD!!!!!!!!

I did like Wilders Podcast but he's an accident waiting to happen. I seriously doubt Audley will be the one to show him up though so Wilder inside 3.

Wilder is a big stiff idiot, he will need 10 plumbers by the time I'm finished with him....

Wilder is pretty uncoordinated and lacks a lot of basic technique, and if Audley were to get settled in and box him then he could easily win. Unfortunately, A-force hates being hit. He's terrified of it. Wilder to bulldoze him and end it within 3.

Audley to recreate Lennox Lewis's destruction of Michael Grant (overblown hype-job). Say it with me boys and girls..................


"Tiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!"

Do you really want Audley to win?????????

He's like a poor Man's Jose Ribalta...............

bhb001 wrote:

azania wrote:

bhb001 wrote:Even Union has gone for Wilder by EKO in the Ozzy league. But live the dream, Az, live the dream. Some may say delusional, but I just think your Universe must be a better place!

There is hope. He has to come good eventually.

Why? He may be A-Force, but he isn't A-Force of nature, what ever his press release says!!

For me its more a case of hope rather than expectation. You have to admire a guy who has that never say die attitude and who has recieved sustained abuse from all quarters, yet still comes back for more. I've warmed to him.

I hope he wins. He can do it. YES HE CAN.

Should he win... do you think he deserves a title shot??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Do you really want Audley to win?????????

He's like a poor Man's Jose Ribalta...............

If it means I don't have to suffer these bandwagonning clowns on here then, emphatically, YES!

For months it's been "Wilder" this, "Seth Mitchell" that and blah blah blah without either of them ever having done anything to suggest they were going to make any more impact on the HW division that Dominic Guinn.

Thankfully Mitchell's bubble was popped by Banks and I'm just waiting for Wilder's to go next. Any current HW who thinks his stock is going to rise on the back of beating Audley Harrison deserves to have his butt handed to him. At least David Price and David Haye were honest enough to say they didn't rate Audley as a fighter.

I'd also love to see the K's trying to convince us that Audley posed the biggest threat of their careers if he was to secure a shot at the title. Surely worth it for that piece of theatre.

Given that all and sundry get title shots by walking and chewing gum simultaneously, why not?

Audley to freeze up the moment the first punch from Wilder connects. Same old story I believe, though I hope it'll be different.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Should he win... do you think he deserves a title shot??

Deserves at title shot? Off the back of beating the hype job Wilder? Definitely not.
Woudl he get a title shot? Another matter entirely.

Dave you could call 99% of young fights hype jobs these days, they get a lot of fans early and those fans will back them no matter what. I actually think Az is being overly critical about Wilders ability, he's quick of his feet for a heavyweight, has a decent jab and brilliant power. In this heavyweight division he could certainly be a force but after Audley needs to step up his level of opposition. He has certainly not looked as bad as Fury did on Saturday night that's for sure.

Audley is Wilder's biggest opponent to date. How many fights has he had? I don't care about his lack of amatuer experience, the HW division these days is so dire anyone with an ounce of fire in his belly would cut a bloody swathe through the ranks leaving nothing but broken bones and shattered egos in his wake.

Things are so bad I'm starting to have a fondness for the days of young Mike Tyson. His fights would be televised and before the first bell the commentators would be telling you to tune again in as he was having another fight in six weeks time.

THAT'S what the division needs, another "line 'em up, I'll knock down and we'll talk about money later" kind of fighter. Sadly it's all, let's take it nice and steady and protect that "O"

hampo171 wrote:Dave you could call 99% of young fights hype jobs these days, they get a lot of fans early and those fans will back them no matter what. I actually think Az is being overly critical about Wilders ability, he's quick of his feet for a heavyweight, has a decent jab and brilliant power. In this heavyweight division he could certainly be a force but after Audley needs to step up his level of opposition. He has certainly not looked as bad as Fury did on Saturday night that's for sure.

I don't think I am. He is uncoordinated, ungaingly and looks disjointed. Nothing seems to flow with him. But power is one thing he has in abundance. Great handspeed and a telescopic right hand. Pity he doesn't seem to know how to use a jab properly.

He has looked brilliant. But even Audley would look brilliant fighting what he has been fighting. I believe his opponents all have had more losses than wins. We had a British fighter who was hyped to the hills until a clip round the ear felled him. Has Wilder been hit with anything remotely worthy of being called a punch?

azania wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Dave you could call 99% of young fights hype jobs these days, they get a lot of fans early and those fans will back them no matter what. I actually think Az is being overly critical about Wilders ability, he's quick of his feet for a heavyweight, has a decent jab and brilliant power. In this heavyweight division he could certainly be a force but after Audley needs to step up his level of opposition. He has certainly not looked as bad as Fury did on Saturday night that's for sure.

I don't think I am. He is uncoordinated, ungaingly and looks disjointed. Nothing seems to flow with him. But power is one thing he has in abundance. Great handspeed and a telescopic right hand. Pity he doesn't seem to know how to use a jab properly. He has looked brilliant. But even Audley would look brilliant fighting what he has been fighting. I believe his opponents all have had more losses than wins. We had a British fighter who was hyped to the hills until a clip round the ear felled him. Has Wilder been hit with anything remotely worthy of being called a punch?

Exactly...20+ fights into a pro career, things like that should have been sorted out already. What are they going to do, get him a title and THEN work on his skill set?

We also have a heavyweight who is being hyped to the hills and dropped by feather fisted punchers and cruiserweights.

Only five of his opponents have bad more losses than wins by the way, two of his last three where unbeaten and his last opponent had previously been in with Boystov, Toney and Johnson.

Get him a title, protect him (people here would understand that) and let him learn on the job by fighting underserving soft fighters.

hampo171 wrote:We also have a heavyweight who is being hyped to the hills and dropped by feather fisted punchers and cruiserweights.

Only five of his opponents have bad more losses than wins by the way, two of his last three where unbeaten and his last opponent had previously been in with Boystov, Toney and Johnson.

Who is hyping him?

How did those opponents get on against Boystov et al? Would Toney be a good opponent for Fury?

Excuse me. I forgot about the mighty Kelvin Price. What is it about the name Price that seems to be bad for boxers?

hampo171 wrote:We also have a heavyweight who is being hyped to the hills and dropped by feather fisted punchers and cruiserweights.Only five of his opponents have bad more losses than wins by the way, two of his last three where unbeaten and his last opponent had previously been in with Boystov, Toney and Johnson.

Yeah but the Americans aren't bleating about our British fighters, why are people here getting carried away with a fighter no better than ours?
Anyway, sad as it will make me, Wilder to win and then a fight to be made with either Fury or Price.

In my experience there hasnt been a huge amount of overhype for guys like Wilder, Mitchell, Price, Fury etc. Ive seldom seen any of them tipped for greatness. The gist of the feeling Ive gotten is that they are all capable of becoming world champions when the Klitschkos either step aside, or become so ancient that defeat becomes inneviteable. In that contet when you look around the division and what would happen were the Klitschkos to retire its not all that unlikely. Even Wlad is 37 now and while he might have a couple more years at the top if he wanted, in 2 years time he might not be the same fighter.

Toney would probably throw more punches than the world level fighter Kevin Johnson.

manos de piedra wrote:In my experience there hasnt been a huge amount of overhype for guys like Wilder, Mitchell, Price, Fury etc. Ive seldom seen any of them tipped for greatness. The gist of the feeling Ive gotten is that they are all capable of becoming world champions when the Klitschkos either step aside, or become so ancient that defeat becomes inneviteable. In that contet when you look around the division and what would happen were the Klitschkos to retire its not all that unlikely. Even Wlad is 37 now and while he might have a couple more years at the top if he wanted, in 2 years time he might not be the same fighter.

My God where have you been man, there are posters on here who treat them like the second coming of Ali, Louis, Dempsey, Tyson etc. Thankfully, no-one with any sense outside of this forum seems to be that hysterical about them.

DAVE667 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:We also have a heavyweight who is being hyped to the hills and dropped by feather fisted punchers and cruiserweights.Only five of his opponents have bad more losses than wins by the way, two of his last three where unbeaten and his last opponent had previously been in with Boystov, Toney and Johnson.

Yeah but the Americans aren't bleating about our British fighters, why are people here getting carried away with a fighter no better than ours?
Anyway, sad as it will make me, Wilder to win and then a fight to be made with either Fury or Price.

The sad thing is the Americans aren't bleating about their own fighters unless they're called Mayweather.

hampo171 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:We also have a heavyweight who is being hyped to the hills and dropped by feather fisted punchers and cruiserweights.Only five of his opponents have bad more losses than wins by the way, two of his last three where unbeaten and his last opponent had previously been in with Boystov, Toney and Johnson.

Yeah but the Americans aren't bleating about our British fighters, why are people here getting carried away with a fighter no better than ours?
Anyway, sad as it will make me, Wilder to win and then a fight to be made with either Fury or Price.

The sad thing is the Americans aren't bleating about their own fighters unless they're called Mayweather.

Shows what they know then doesn't it? The likes of Ward and Broner (as obnoxious as he is) demonstrate that the USA have some very good fighters indeed. I just don't believe that the Brits (couple of dingbats on here) should be so quick to include Wilder in that group especially when the American scribes aren't even on board

hampo171 wrote:Toney would probably throw more punches than the world level fighter Kevin Johnson.

The only time Toney will throw punches is if he were at the back of the queue at Burget King.