Haye Signs With Matchroom

by as1079 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 7:48 pm

First topic message reminder :

Apologies if this has already been posted but Eddie Hearn has confirmed that David Haye has signed a 'long-term' promotional agreement with Matchroom and will face Manuel Charr in June.

This seems like a good move for both men. Haye gets the Sky platform and Matchroom get the heavyweight they were lacking.

Thoughts?

by bhb001 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 2:08 pm

The question is Would Wlad of fought Valuev if Chagaev had lost?

by manos de piedra Tue 30 Apr 2013, 2:11 pm

Or would Valuev have ever fought Wlad?

by bhb001 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 2:52 pm

Touche. I do think there was a bit of mutal avoidance going on here. Wlad would have won quite comfortably in my opinion, so I do not know why he seemed to be reluctant.

by manos de piedra Tue 30 Apr 2013, 8:18 pm

I dont think the window for a Wlad/Valuev fight was ever all that big really. I think Wlad began his second reign beating Byrd and within about a year of that Valuev had lost to Chagaev. There was an extended period then where there was a dispute between a Chagaev/Valuev rematch which eventually fell through and saw Chagaev get shafted out of the title.

When Vitali came back I think there was one offer made to Valuev but it was rejected.

by Guest Wed 01 May 2013, 11:53 am

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

by Strongback Wed 01 May 2013, 11:52 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?

by Rowley Thu 02 May 2013, 7:57 am

Strongback wrote:

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?

Guess if you can reconcile their music questionable political views will be a walk in the park.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 11:57 am

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?

What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

by **seanmichaels** Thu 02 May 2013, 12:09 pm

Back at ya Strongy.....

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 02 May 2013, 12:12 pm

Dave just became my second favorite poster.

by Mind the windows Tino. Thu 02 May 2013, 12:15 pm

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Dave just became my second favorite poster.

Thanks mate thumbsup

by Rowley Thu 02 May 2013, 12:21 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:Dave just became my second favorite poster.

Thanks mate

He was quite clearly referring to Davide Tina.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 12:42 pm

Hurrah, I'm Jabby's second favourite poster...just behind Jabby!

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 02 May 2013, 12:45 pm

Only just!

No, in all seriousness - its rare to see another metal fan, or at the very least someone who understands its not all about Satanism, wearing black and advocating violence. People ask me my favorite song and I say Snuff by Slipknot and I'm judged instantly as being a "metal head" when in actual fact, the song is the opposite of metal, and Corey Taylor (shock horror) actually sings! Same with Vermillion Pt. 2 etc.

by Mind the windows Tino. Thu 02 May 2013, 12:48 pm

I like heavy metal as well.

In fact, Bon Jovi are my favourite ever band.

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 02 May 2013, 12:50 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I like heavy metal as well.

In fact, Bon Jovi are my favourite ever band.

Nothing better than starting a music discussion with a "goth" looking the way I do (very normal) and finding out their favorite metal band is Linkin Park.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 12:54 pm

Gotta say Jabby that whilst I abhor the cartoon image associated with SLIPKNOT I really do enjoy the STONE SOUR stuff. House of Gold and Bones Part 2 is excellent.

by Adam D Thu 02 May 2013, 1:00 pm

Not sure if this was mentioned in the press release, but Eddie confirmed that this is a 4 fight deal.

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 02 May 2013, 1:00 pm

Stone Sour are fantastic, Absolute Zero and Gone Soveriegn are 2 of my favorite songs, House of Gold and Bones Part 2 is a good album, not quite on par with (part 1) but still excellent.

Slipknots image is, I agree - stupid, but it got them the recognition they needed to be different, otherwise they'd just be another "screamo" band.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 1:06 pm

Adam D wrote:Not sure if this was mentioned in the press release, but Eddie confirmed that this is a 4 fight deal.

Shame, cos another two fights and I'm sure STRONGY would have had a genuine life threatening seizure

by **88Chris05** Thu 02 May 2013, 1:09 pm

You're bringing back memories for me here, Dave and Jabby. Saw Stone Sour at Nottingham Rock City in early 2003. Saw Anthrax there the following year as well.

Grew out of it all soon after, mind you! Run

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 1:11 pm

You better run, sonny furious

by **Union Cane** Thu 02 May 2013, 1:14 pm

DAVE667 wrote:You better run, sonny

Betta Run, now that is proper music.

Spoiler:

by Rowley Thu 02 May 2013, 1:35 pm

88Chris05 wrote:

Grew out of it all soon after, mind you!

Most people do chris.

by Strongback Thu 02 May 2013, 3:27 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 4:30 pm

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.

If you actually read all the lyrics (which incidentally weren't written by SLAYER but that's by the by) the song is sung from the view point of a young white kid who is objecting to being vilified as the perpetrator of race hate over the centuries and he's asking how he can be guilty of this when he's only a teenager ("I sorry for something I didn't do, I hurt somebody, I don't know who. You blame me for slavery and everything before I was born...I'm convicted of a racist crime, I've only served, 19 years of my time")

I've actually read the interview with Tom Araya when he was questioned about the "guilty of being right" lyric and he said it's not the protanganist saying that as racism is right, he's saying that he's right to object to being criticised for crimes he hasn't committed and is simply guilty of having white skin. Araya accepts that some may misread the lyric and it's suggestion that it supports racism however, it's something that he (as a non-white man) vehemently denies.

However, I thank you for your efforts to portray SLAYER as racist. Perhaps you'd like to vilify Marilyn Manson for his cover version of Patti Smith's "Rock n Roll N*****r"

by Strongback Thu 02 May 2013, 5:00 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.
If you actually read all the lyrics (which incidentally weren't written by SLAYER but that's by the by) the song is sung from the view point of a young white kid who is objecting to being vilified as the perpetrator of race hate over the centuries and he's asking how he can be guilty of this when he's only a teenager ("I sorry for something I didn't do, I hurt somebody, I don't know who. You blame me for slavery and everything before I was born...I'm convicted of a racist crime, I've only served, 19 years of my time")

I've actually read the interview with Tom Araya when he was questioned about the "guilty of being right" lyric and he said it's not the protanganist saying that as racism is right, he's saying that he's right to object to being criticised for crimes he hasn't committed and is simply guilty of having white skin. Araya accepts that some may misread the lyric and it's suggestion that it supports racism however, it's something that he (as a non-white man) vehemently denies.

However, I thank you for your efforts to portray SLAYER as racist. Perhaps you'd like to vilify Marilyn Manson for his cover version of Patti Smith's "Rock n Roll N*****r"

Slayer's cover of Minor Threat's "Guilty of Being White" raised questions about a possible message of white supremacy in the band's music. The controversy surrounding the cover involved the changing of the refrain "guilty of being white" to "guilty of being right", at the song's ending. This incensed Minor Threat frontman Ian MacKaye, who stated "that is so offensive to me."

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 02 May 2013, 5:01 pm

You learn something new everyday... Cool

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 5:02 pm

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.
If you actually read all the lyrics (which incidentally weren't written by SLAYER but that's by the by) the song is sung from the view point of a young white kid who is objecting to being vilified as the perpetrator of race hate over the centuries and he's asking how he can be guilty of this when he's only a teenager ("I sorry for something I didn't do, I hurt somebody, I don't know who. You blame me for slavery and everything before I was born...I'm convicted of a racist crime, I've only served, 19 years of my time")

I've actually read the interview with Tom Araya when he was questioned about the "guilty of being right" lyric and he said it's not the protanganist saying that as racism is right, he's saying that he's right to object to being criticised for crimes he hasn't committed and is simply guilty of having white skin. Araya accepts that some may misread the lyric and it's suggestion that it supports racism however, it's something that he (as a non-white man) vehemently denies.

However, I thank you for your efforts to portray SLAYER as racist. Perhaps you'd like to vilify Marilyn Manson for his cover version of Patti Smith's "Rock n Roll N*****r"

Slayer's cover of Minor Threat's "Guilty of Being White" raised questions about a possible message of white supremacy in the band's music. The controversy surrounding the cover involved the changing of the refrain "guilty of being white" to "guilty of being right", at the song's ending. This incensed Minor Threat frontman Ian MacKaye, who stated "that is so offensive to me."

As I said dear chap, see my comment above...still...nice try!

by Strongback Thu 02 May 2013, 5:09 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.
If you actually read all the lyrics (which incidentally weren't written by SLAYER but that's by the by) the song is sung from the view point of a young white kid who is objecting to being vilified as the perpetrator of race hate over the centuries and he's asking how he can be guilty of this when he's only a teenager ("I sorry for something I didn't do, I hurt somebody, I don't know who. You blame me for slavery and everything before I was born...I'm convicted of a racist crime, I've only served, 19 years of my time")

I've actually read the interview with Tom Araya when he was questioned about the "guilty of being right" lyric and he said it's not the protanganist saying that as racism is right, he's saying that he's right to object to being criticised for crimes he hasn't committed and is simply guilty of having white skin. Araya accepts that some may misread the lyric and it's suggestion that it supports racism however, it's something that he (as a non-white man) vehemently denies.

However, I thank you for your efforts to portray SLAYER as racist. Perhaps you'd like to vilify Marilyn Manson for his cover version of Patti Smith's "Rock n Roll N*****r"

Slayer's cover of Minor Threat's "Guilty of Being White" raised questions about a possible message of white supremacy in the band's music. The controversy surrounding the cover involved the changing of the refrain "guilty of being white" to "guilty of being right", at the song's ending. This incensed Minor Threat frontman Ian MacKaye, who stated "that is so offensive to me."
As I said dear chap, see my comment above...still...nice try!

Pretty damning when the guy who wrote the song is so offended. Slayer changed the lyrics to make the song an ode to White Supremacy. They knew what they were doing. All the post release waffle in the world won't change that.

by Guest Thu 02 May 2013, 5:30 pm

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Mention Haye and the fangs come out as well

Hisssssssssss

Look I'm not the one who went around with long hair, skin tight black jeans and a leather jacket living out a fetish for ritualistically sacrificing small animals all in the name of Devil Rock.
Neither am I, don't have the legs for skin tight trousers not have I ever sacrificed anything to "Devil Rock" (whatever that may be....you remind me of the bloke who told me he liked Bon Jovi and other "Light Metal" bands)

Would have thought Whitesnake would be right up your street though Strongy

Throw out the names of your all time favourite albums Dave.

I would but the sheer magnificence of them is likely to make you pee you pants even more than when you see David Haye's name mentioned anywhere.

You just can't handle the truth.

How do you reconcile Slayer's Nazism, white supremacy and Satanism?
What Nazism are you referring to? I take it you mean the track "Angel of Death" which recounts the exploits of Josef Mengele? If you actually read the lyrics, nowhere does it condone what he does and there's a line which says "Rancid Angel of Death, flying free" with reference to him seeking exile. Not really sure how rerferring to a Nazi war criminal as "rancid" can be seen a sympathetic to him.

Guitarist Jeff Hanneman writes most of the war based lyrics and he's a military enthusiast. He collects war memorabilia and when asked why he says that it serves as a reminder of the sinister and evil nature of man and as a lyrical inspiration only. The track "War Ensemble" lambasts the powers that be for playing games with innocent lives. Lemmy from Motorhead wears an Iron Cross around his neck and he's also a military buff. He used to roadie for Jimi Hendrix so I'm not sure if he's a fascist either but feel free to assume whatever you like without any real supporting evidence.

Oh, SLAYER's vocalist and bassist, Tom Araya, is of Chilean descent and I'm pretty sure he'd have spoken to Hanneman about his white supremacist tendencies before now.

As for their "Satanism", it's cartoon stuff at best. Most metal bands have flirted with occult references, some, like the Norwegian Black Metal bands openly advocate a hatred of Christianity and have burned churches. truth be told, their nutters and deserve to be locked up. However, there have been a number of rappers who have advocated shooting white people, smacking women, shooting rival gang members or anyone they feel is weak/inferior, their homophobia has long been a major taking point but once again, feel free to criticise a metal band for perceived racism if it makes you happy

"Guilty of being white.......guilty of being right".....................As performed by Slayer.

Lots of defending required when it comes to Trash Metal lyrics I feel. Most of the Metal Heads I knew in secondary school got off on the sick lyrics. Judging by their grades in class they weren't critically analysing the meaning of the lyrics to understand if they contained parody.
If you actually read all the lyrics (which incidentally weren't written by SLAYER but that's by the by) the song is sung from the view point of a young white kid who is objecting to being vilified as the perpetrator of race hate over the centuries and he's asking how he can be guilty of this when he's only a teenager ("I sorry for something I didn't do, I hurt somebody, I don't know who. You blame me for slavery and everything before I was born...I'm convicted of a racist crime, I've only served, 19 years of my time")

I've actually read the interview with Tom Araya when he was questioned about the "guilty of being right" lyric and he said it's not the protanganist saying that as racism is right, he's saying that he's right to object to being criticised for crimes he hasn't committed and is simply guilty of having white skin. Araya accepts that some may misread the lyric and it's suggestion that it supports racism however, it's something that he (as a non-white man) vehemently denies.

However, I thank you for your efforts to portray SLAYER as racist. Perhaps you'd like to vilify Marilyn Manson for his cover version of Patti Smith's "Rock n Roll N*****r"

Slayer's cover of Minor Threat's "Guilty of Being White" raised questions about a possible message of white supremacy in the band's music. The controversy surrounding the cover involved the changing of the refrain "guilty of being white" to "guilty of being right", at the song's ending. This incensed Minor Threat frontman Ian MacKaye, who stated "that is so offensive to me."
As I said dear chap, see my comment above...still...nice try!

Pretty damning when the guy who wrote the song is so offended. Slayer changed the lyrics to make the song an ode to White Supremacy. They knew what they were doing. All the post release waffle in the world won't change that.

And you know this for a fact do you? No you don't. As for MacKaye being offended, what does that have to do with anything and how does it PROVE Slayer's white supremacist tendencies? As I mentioned before, Tom Araya is of Chilean descent, definitely non-white and, ironic as it may be for a singer in a band like SLAYER, a church going catholic. Whilst their subject matter may be cause for concern within certain groups like the PMRC, I've been listening to SLAYER's music for long enough to know that there's no hidden agenda, call to arms or desire to icreate a supreme white order. Sad that you would think this but, over the weeks and months, it's clear you have certain issues yourself STRONGY.

Don't get me wrong there's a small but disturbing nontheless movement of National Socialist Black Metal in areas of Scandanavia and France and their political ideology is quite clear. Songs such a "J#w-icide" and other hate filled bile leave us in no doubt where their affiliations lie. It's a damn shame these people are allowed to exist and even more frustrating that they're using Metal music as means to get their "message" heard. However, this should in no way be used as an indicator of the political affiliation of ALL metal acts.

Ask yourself this, , given their breakthrough into the mainstream, if SLAYER were advocates of race hate and white supremacy, would they still have been nominated for and actual won all the Grammy's etc that they've had over the years?

by Strongback Fri 03 May 2013, 6:44 am

Bizarre coincidence that Jeff Hanneman founder of Slayer died yesterday. RIP

by smashingstormcrow Fri 03 May 2013, 9:51 am

I don't for a second believe that Slayer are/were neo-Nazis.

But being a Catholic isn't exactly the most watertight defence...

by Guest Fri 03 May 2013, 12:19 pm

Strongback wrote:Bizarre coincidence that Jeff Hanneman founder of Slayer died yesterday. RIP

Absolutely gutted
RIP Jeff, thanks for the memories and the riffs!

by **seanmichaels** Fri 03 May 2013, 12:22 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:Bizarre coincidence that Jeff Hanneman founder of Slayer died yesterday. RIP
Absolutely gutted
RIP Jeff, thanks for the memories and the riffs!

Flesh eating spider? Perhaps he meddled with the occult too much.....

by winchester Sat 04 May 2013, 6:09 pm

The guy Haye is fighting next - Emanuel Charr lost to Klitschko in his last fight so he cant be much good. Id much rather see Haye fight Fury or Price.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 04 May 2013, 6:16 pm

You don't rate Klitschko ??

by winchester Sat 04 May 2013, 6:30 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You don't rate Klitschko ??

I think the two Klitschko brothers are pretty average but what they have to there advantage is that they are both massive. They are both old as the hills now though and I can see them losing very soon if they fight heavyweights their own size. Haye has alot more ability than the pair of the brothers combined but hes just too small to make it count. Fury, Price and Wilder, the boxer that beat Audley Harrison recently I think could beat them if given the chance.

Id like to see Haye fight one of those guys much more than this Charr fellow. It would give a good indication of what their level is because they are all bigger, younger and more powerful than the two Klitschko brothers. But they also take more risks which means Haye would have a chance. Haye beating some guy Klitschko is just after knocking out in a few rounds wont really tell us much.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 04 May 2013, 6:36 pm

Good summary..

by smashingstormcrow Sun 05 May 2013, 1:01 am

I'll assume this is Sarcasm. Fury and Price (Price?!) could beat the Ks?

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 05 May 2013, 1:12 am

smashingstormcrow wrote:I'll assume this is Sarcasm. Fury and Price (Price?!) could beat the Ks?

The worrying thing is that he is serious.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 05 May 2013, 1:13 am

winchester wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You don't rate Klitschko ??

I think the two Klitschko brothers are pretty average but what they have to there advantage is that they are both massive. They are both old as the hills now though and I can see them losing very soon if they fight heavyweights their own size. Haye has alot more ability than the pair of the brothers combined but hes just too small to make it count. Fury, Price and Wilder, the boxer that beat Audley Harrison recently I think could beat them if given the chance.

Id like to see Haye fight one of those guys much more than this Charr fellow. It would give a good indication of what their level is because they are all bigger, younger and more powerful than the two Klitschko brothers. But they also take more risks which means Haye would have a chance. Haye beating some guy Klitschko is just after knocking out in a few rounds wont really tell us much.

Wach was bigger than Klitschko yet Klitschko dominated him.

by GoingforBrokers Sun 05 May 2013, 2:57 am

Great Tune Union Cane. Nearly 20 years old now

by winchester Sun 05 May 2013, 5:25 pm

smashingstormcrow wrote:I'll assume this is Sarcasm. Fury and Price (Price?!) could beat the Ks?

Im not being sarcastic at all. The Klitschko brothers are almost 38 and 41 now. They are old men in boxing terms. Price, Fury and the new American fighter Deontay Wilder who sensationally knocked out Audley Harrison are the new guys coming through. They are younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful than the Klitschko brothers. They are the future. The Klitschkos are big men but average boxers who use their size to beat smaller but usually better boxers like Haye. But they dont hold any of these advantages over the new breed coming through. Well, they have more experience maybe but they arent any bigger and they are alot older.

The biggest problem is that the Klitschko pair know this better than anyone and will find ways to avoid fighting them which is too easy to do in boxing today. But I think its only a matter of time.

by manos de piedra Sun 05 May 2013, 5:37 pm

The Klitschkos know none of those guys would answer the phone if they came calling and they would get a voicemail back asking if they intended to retire anytime soon.

by winchester Sun 05 May 2013, 5:47 pm

manos de piedra wrote:The Klitschkos know none of those guys would answer the phone if they came calling and they would get a voicemail back asking if they intended to retire anytime soon.

Eh?

by John Bloody Wayne Sun 05 May 2013, 7:42 pm

Young undefeated fighters want to stay undefeated and don't tend to fight guys who'd certainly beat them, so if either of the K's offered Fury, Wilder or Price a shot they'd get turned down, as those guys are only interested in becoming the best in the world once the Klistchko's are no longer in the equation.

Ask any of the Klistchko's defenders, I'm not a fan of theirs by a looong way, but they could deal with the three aforementioned hopes in one night.

I think it would be shrewd for Wlad to retire, make it seem genuine, then when one of these guys takes up the mantle he decides to unretire and there'd be huge, unavoidable clamor for the heir to his throne to face him. Make sense, an of that?

by winchester Mon 06 May 2013, 11:02 am

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Young undefeated fighters want to stay undefeated and don't tend to fight guys who'd certainly beat them, so if either of the K's offered Fury, Wilder or Price a shot they'd get turned down, as those guys are only interested in becoming the best in the world once the Klistchko's are no longer in the equation.

Ask any of the Klistchko's defenders, I'm not a fan of theirs by a looong way, but they could deal with the three aforementioned hopes in one night.

I think it would be shrewd for Wlad to retire, make it seem genuine, then when one of these guys takes up the mantle he decides to unretire and there'd be huge, unavoidable clamor for the heir to his throne to face him. Make sense, an of that?

The Klitschkos seem very overrated on here. I dont think guys like Fury, Price or Wilder would have any problem facing them. They are hardly Mike Tyson, George Foreman or Sonny Liston in the intimidation stakes. Its the ambition of any young upcoming heavyweight to be the world champion and when they see old men like the Klitschko brothers sitting there I think they would jump at the chance to fight them. I think the Klitschko brothers may well end up retiring rather than risk losing to them.

by azania Mon 06 May 2013, 11:11 am

winchester wrote:
smashingstormcrow wrote:I'll assume this is Sarcasm. Fury and Price (Price?!) could beat the Ks?

Im not being sarcastic at all. The Klitschko brothers are almost 38 and 41 now. They are old men in boxing terms. Price, Fury and the new American fighter Deontay Wilder who sensationally knocked out Audley Harrison are the new guys coming through. They are younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful than the Klitschko brothers. They are the future. The Klitschkos are big men but average boxers who use their size to beat smaller but usually better boxers like Haye. But they dont hold any of these advantages over the new breed coming through. Well, they have more experience maybe but they arent any bigger and they are alot older.

The biggest problem is that the Klitschko pair know this better than anyone and will find ways to avoid fighting them which is too easy to do in boxing today. But I think its only a matter of time.

by winchester Mon 06 May 2013, 11:24 am

azania wrote:
winchester wrote:
smashingstormcrow wrote:I'll assume this is Sarcasm. Fury and Price (Price?!) could beat the Ks?

Im not being sarcastic at all. The Klitschko brothers are almost 38 and 41 now. They are old men in boxing terms. Price, Fury and the new American fighter Deontay Wilder who sensationally knocked out Audley Harrison are the new guys coming through. They are younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful than the Klitschko brothers. They are the future. The Klitschkos are big men but average boxers who use their size to beat smaller but usually better boxers like Haye. But they dont hold any of these advantages over the new breed coming through. Well, they have more experience maybe but they arent any bigger and they are alot older.

The biggest problem is that the Klitschko pair know this better than anyone and will find ways to avoid fighting them which is too easy to do in boxing today. But I think its only a matter of time.

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