Haye Signs With Matchroom

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Apologies if this has already been posted but Eddie Hearn has confirmed that David Haye has signed a 'long-term' promotional agreement with Matchroom and will face Manuel Charr in June.

This seems like a good move for both men. Haye gets the Sky platform and Matchroom get the heavyweight they were lacking.

Thoughts?

Wilder punches wide looping punches and is so open to the counter its unbelievable and a fat man from Kentucky knocked him over with a pudgy chocolate covered fist. Wlad or even Vitali finish him in 4 max.

Fury, Far too easy to hit, never utilises his jab or height and got knocked down by two light punches. Particularly easy to hit with a overhand right. Wlad finishes him in 4 max

Price, big, strong fast, got debilitated by a loopy right from Tony - might be a freak punch and an unusual injury but as thats all we got to go on = Wlad Ko 1

ShahenshahG wrote:Wilder punches wide looping punches and is so open to the counter its unbelievable and a fat man from Kentucky knocked him over with a pudgy chocolate covered fist. Wlad or even Vitali finish him in 4 max.

Fury, Far too easy to hit, never utilises his jab or height and got knocked down by two light punches. Particularly easy to hit with a overhand right. Wlad finishes him in 4 max

Price, big, strong fast, got debilitated by a loopy right from Tony - might be a freak punch and an unusual injury but as thats all we got to go on = Wlad Ko 1

You cant be serious!? This is the Klitschko brothers here not Mike Tyson! When do those guys ever knock anyone out in 4 rounds? Wladimir Klitschko couldnt even knock out David Haye who was half his size. Wladimir Klitschko is the most cautious boxer I have ever seen. Talk about overrating a pair! I feel like Ive just sat down with the Klitschko brothers official fan club on here.

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsA

Thats Wladimir Klitschko getting knocked out by an old journeyman heavyweight. Theres nothing special about him.

Fury, Price and Wilder are better than this guy and are younger and stronger. Vitali Klitschko is 41 for heavens sake. Its heavyweight boxing so one punch can change a fight and if Wladimir or Vitali catch those guys square then they can knock them out. We are taking about giants here. But Wladimir is such a wimpy style of boxing he cant get away with just jabing at Fury, Price and Wilder who would come to knock him out and bully him.

To be fair that was Wlad in his please don't hit me i'm scared days( or it was after that fight) and Sanders had a wicked straight left. Since the half decent competition disappeared he seems to have grown in confidence and is a lot more relaxed in the ring. It could be because the competition is a lot weaker now but he handled Haye pretty comfortably.

Sorry Laddie but Corrie would quite happily knock out all three of that lot - he was a power puncher but limited as you said. Still better than your three as they are now. The reason he couldn't knock out Haye was because he was back pedalling faster than the lib dems after the election.

Wlad seems to carry his opponent for a little while, with these three he probably wouldnt bother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOX6w572ItQ A cuff around the ear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VTDKyMQoc0 A light punching Cruiserweight whose right cross is barely on a par with Wlads Jab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY Jeff Rowley knocks down wilder with a pudgy jab

Fury, Price and Wilder are alot better than the journeymen heavyweights that beat Klitschko. In heavyweight boxing one punch can change things. Take away the Klitschkos brothers size advantage and you have two old, pretty average boxers. They wont have that size advantage on Fury, Price or Wilder. Wlad fights like a scaredy cat. Vitali is 41 which says it all. Wilder and Price did to Audley Harrison what it would take the Klitschko brothers about ten rounds to do. Can you imagine what Wladimir would be like in the face of that kind of attack? He couldnt handle it. If they were confiedent of beating them then they would be making the fights happen. But they will retire without facing them.

Both Price and fury have already said they wont fight Klitschko yet and wilder just had a massive step up in facing Audley you must be off your nut. Seeing as wlad has already fought people with a bigger reach and size and a 41 year old thompson (not as good as Vitali) totalled Price not more than a few weeks ago with a gentle cuff around the ear I think i'll hedge my bets and have Klitschkos first meaningful punch ending the fights. As for wilder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

Winchester you don't appear to understand that although the Klitschkos are getting on a bit they are supreme athletes as well as being extremely effective in the way they fight.

Sure, Vitali is slowing down and Wlad fights defensively, but they both have hardly lost a round between them in the last 5 years. You can go ahead and say Wlad got knocked down by Sanders, Brewster & Puritty but since his dominant title reign started no-one has got remotely close to putting him down.

KO artist? Nope. VERY effective heavyweight with a ramrod jab? Oh yes.

Mr Bounce wrote:Winchester you don't appear to understand that although the Klitschkos are getting on a bit they are supreme athletes as well as being extremely effective in the way they fight.

Sure, Vitali is slowing down and Wlad fights defensively, but they both have hardly lost a round between them in the last 5 years. You can go ahead and say Wlad got knocked down by Sanders, Brewster & Puritty but since his dominant title reign started no-one has got remotely close to putting him down.

KO artist? Nope. VERY effective heavyweight with a ramrod jab? Oh yes.

Supreme athlete is not the same as supreme boxer. Usain Bolt is a supreme athlete. What makes the Klitschko pair effective is their size. Take that away and they are very, very average. And thats exactly what the likes of Price, Fury or Wilder would do. The Klitschkos size would mean nothing and they would not be effective. Wladimir Klitschkos jab jab jab and try and box from distance is not going to work against those guys. He will be overpowered. Same with Vitali. Hes unbelievably old and couldnt compete with the younger guys who can match him for size and strength. When they announce their next opponent I would be very, very surprised if it was Price, Fury or Wilder. I think the Klitschkos know to stay clear of them and then will retire rather than fight them.

Well if you factor in their size again then they are pretty impressive. You can't make them smaller so it's a bit of a redundant argument.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Well if you factor in their size again then they are pretty impressive. You can't make them smaller so it's a bit of a redundant argument.

Your not catching my drift. They wont have any size advantage to rely on against Fury, Price and Wilder. Their only advantage is gone against those guys. Younger, bigger, stronger and more aggressive upcoming heavyweights. They are the future and will hopefully bring new life tot he heavyweight division. The problem is that the old Klitschko brothers will want to stay clear of them for as long as possible. Vitali Klitschko hanging around at 41 is a bit of a joke. Give one of the new breed a match. I would bet heavily that they wont fight those guys next and would not be surprised to see them retire rather than face them if they have to.

Yet wlad has already fought haye who legged it peters and several fighters who are bigger than him. Price had been rendered senseless by a gentle tap whose only claim to fame is being battered twice by wlad.

Fury who was hurt by the game but tiny and light punching cunni gham and wilder who was knocked down by a jab from vanessa feltz and dawn french pre-mitosis. They may end up winning or improving to such a standard that they are legitimate champions but what evidence do you base your ideas on. In then unlikely event that khan learns to fight like ward and beats everyone up to middleweight without ever being hurt some will claim that they knew khan could be a legend but on the evidence we have now no one can claim yhat and be taken seriously. Yje same applies here.

I can't see Price or Fury beating either K any time so I don't see these fights happening unless its for a massive payday. I could see Fury being able to generate a lot of hype and a £5 or £10 million pay day for himself particularly if he gets a bit of an Irish American fan base.

I don't think Wilder has been tested enough to form an opinion on him. It's clear though he's fairly inexperienced with only 30 amateur fights and 30 "learning" bouts as a pro.

I can't see Price or Fury taking either Klit on...........But the idiot will not doubt proclaim that Wlad is avoiding him....

After all his masterclass against cunningham will no doubt have both brothers runningto the hills..

5-1 on Woodhall's card....

Heard he had Honey ahead when Breland stopped him...

Did Woodhall score it 5-1 to Fury??

Think I had it 4-2 Cunningham by the time of the ko.

The likes of Price, Fury and Wilder are ambitious, motivated upcoming fighters. They want success. Of course they want to fight for the title. Thats the goal of any aspiring boxer.

The Klitschko brothers are the old men in the division who know that there is a new breed coming through and ready to replace them. Against Fury, Price or Wilder they have no size advantage and their averageness would be exposed. Its heavyweight boxing, so either party could knock the other out. But Wladimirs style is too cautious and not suited to fighting men who can bully him and Vitali is so old he wouldnt be able to last with those younger fresher fighters who can match him physically and carry more power and strength. We will see now what the Klitschkos are made of when they announce their next opponents but I think they will avoid those guys until they have to or retire without fighting them. They would be big fights but they are too much of a threat to the Klitschkos who will most likely choose smaller less physical opponents.

Vitali is the same age as thompson who levelled price with a affectionate tap behind his ear. Hits harder than Cunningham who gave Fury a sound pasting until he ran out of gas. and probably has a stiffer jab than Dustin nicholls who knocked over wilder with the "intercepting fist sponsored by Greggs"

They can be as ambitious and motivated as they like. Doesn't change the fact they don't have a chin between them.

Which, in HW more than any other division, is a death knell for career success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

TopHat24/7 wrote:They can be as ambitious and motivated as they like. Doesn't change the fact they don't have a chin between them.

Which, in HW more than any other division, is a death knell for career success.

You'd think they'd learn how to defend properly and learn the basics........Imagine these clowns in the 70s with....Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Quarry etc..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:They can be as ambitious and motivated as they like. Doesn't change the fact they don't have a chin between them.

Which, in HW more than any other division, is a death knell for career success.

You'd think they'd learn how to defend properly and learn the basics........Imagine these clowns in the 70s with....Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Quarry etc..

"defend properly and learn the basics" which is exactly what WK has become proficient in like no other HW boxer I can think of and why he'd have zippo trouble with anyone of them.

Jeez, Klitschko fanclub on here. Wladimir Klitschko has been knocked out by journeymen heavyweights far worse than these new guys. Hes nowhere near as good as your saying. Good defensive skills? He has been knocked out multiple times and floored numerous times. Vitali has no defensive skills and has been stopped twice himself. Hes an old man. Look at what Price and Wilder did to gold medallist Audley Harrison. Complete destruction and aggressiveness. I cant see Vitali coping with that. Hes not as big or powerful as those guys and he easy to hit. Vitali is too old to beat any of them. Wladimir might if he actually commited to throwing a knock out punch but his jab jab jab wont get him anywhere against those aggressive style of giants that he cant use his size against.

Price is aggresssive when facing Audley Harrison types, outside of that he's far more/too cautious to wade in throwing leather.

Wilder lives up to his name and swings away wildly. He's crude and ugly landing one punch in every five thrown. He's ungainly and anyone with half decent skill and a bit of composure should have enough to counter his head clean off his shoulders.

winchester wrote:Jeez, Klitschko fanclub on here. Wladimir Klitschko has been knocked out by journeymen heavyweights far worse than these new guys. Hes nowhere near as good as your saying. Good defensive skills? He has been knocked out multiple times and floored numerous times. Vitali has no defensive skills and has been stopped twice himself. Hes an old man. Look at what Price and Wilder did to gold medallist Audley Harrison. Complete destruction and aggressiveness. I cant see Vitali coping with that. Hes not as big or powerful as those guys and he easy to hit. Vitali is too old to beat any of them. Wladimir might if he actually commited to throwing a knock out punch but his jab jab jab wont get him anywhere against those aggressive style of giants that he cant use his size against.

I'm not sure where to start with this........

Let's start with the VK stoppages, what do you actually know about them Winny? Because the above suggests little, but I'm still interested to know what you know that isn't just read of Boxrec.

And really, really honestly genuinely are you using Price and Wilder's pancaking of Fraudley as some kind of barometer of ability? Since when has the worst HW Olympic gold medallist been a divisional yardstick?? Very easy to be agressive against someone that doesn't hit back. What happened to your boy Price when he came up against someone the same age/size as the K's who did hit back?

This guy is either a WUM or he doesn't follow boxing.

What happened to Price was no different to what happened to Wladimir Klitschko. Thats heavyweight boxing. How many times has he tasted the canvas? But people still go on like he is a great boxer. Hes ordinary. Price, Fury and Wilder might be no great shakes in the grand scheme of thing either but they have the style and size to give Wladimir Klitschko all kinds of problems. What they did to Audley Harrison was very impressive. Wladimir would probably be still jabbing away at him now if he had fought him a couple of weeks ago.

As for Vitali, dont even get me started. A 41 year old boxer with very little skill. Theres not a hope he will risk fighting a heavyweight like Fury, Price or Wilder. Mark my words. He will retire before fighting them.

Yes a guy who fought Lennox Lewis at two weeks notice is scared of Fury,Price and Wilder

Well we will have to wait and see who his nest opponent is. Im confident he wont face them.

winchester wrote:What happened to Price was no different to what happened to Wladimir Klitschko. Thats heavyweight boxing. How many times has he tasted the canvas? But people still go on like he is a great boxer. Hes ordinary. Price, Fury and Wilder might be no great shakes in the grand scheme of thing either but they have the style and size to give Wladimir Klitschko all kinds of problems. What they did to Audley Harrison was very impressive. Wladimir would probably be still jabbing away at him now if he had fought him a couple of weeks ago.

As for Vitali, dont even get me started. A 41 year old boxer with very little skill. Theres not a hope he will risk fighting a heavyweight like Fury, Price or Wilder. Mark my words. He will retire before fighting them.

Wlad ran out of gas. Price was fresh and put his neck on the line.

A 41 year old smacked him with a clip round the ear hole.

winchester wrote:What happened to Price was no different to what happened to Wladimir Klitschko. Thats heavyweight boxing. How many times has he tasted the canvas? But people still go on like he is a great boxer. Hes ordinary. Price, Fury and Wilder might be no great shakes in the grand scheme of thing either but they have the style and size to give Wladimir Klitschko all kinds of problems. What they did to Audley Harrison was very impressive. Wladimir would probably be still jabbing away at him now if he had fought him a couple of weeks ago.

As for Vitali, dont even get me started. A 41 year old boxer with very little skill. Theres not a hope he will risk fighting a heavyweight like Fury, Price or Wilder. Mark my words. He will retire before fighting them.

Still using Fraudley as a benchmark, deary me talk about undermining yourself.......

Vitali (41) is dodging Naz (39) coz Naz (39) is younger.

It's about the same level as this argument.

winchester wrote:Jeez, Klitschko fanclub on here. Wladimir Klitschko has been knocked out by journeymen heavyweights far worse than these new guys.

Very true. There are some that might suggest a fighter could realise he has weaknesses and train hard and develop a style to protect these weaknesses and fight in a manner that plays to his strengths but I say balderdash to such ideas. He is a chinny no hoper (albeit one who has been unbeaten for eight years whilst barely dropping a round in that period)

In years to come people will be singing the praises of the great Wlad Klitchko.

smashingstormcrow wrote:Vitali (41) is dodging Naz (39) coz Naz (39) is younger.

It's about the same level as this argument.

Pahaha +1

azania wrote:In years to come people will be singing the praises of the great Wlad Klitchko.

Only in Europe....and only till decent fighters come to the Heavy division to kickstart it up after ten years of mediocrity....

We just need one good exciting one to build it ..........and they will come!!

Have I just read that price fury and wilder at this stage of there careers will beat the kilts has to be a windup

You seem be be forgetting Diamond that Wlad got stopped a few times 8 years ago, what more evidence do you need?

Oh yeah I forgot about that my mistake also that Kick to the head that koed vitali slipped my mind also

Vitali's problem is that an old 38 year old 18 stoneish, unmotivated Lewis jab was stuck to his face....

Kind of showed his limitations.....

In fairness to Wlad...You look at his career and it kind of mirrors Joe Louis.....

A shocking loss to Sanders and then beating stiff after stiff for years throwing in the odd good win like Haye...........As Louis did with Walcott........

Louis is my number 2 so I should have Wlad quite high.....

But I don't..............Top 20 though.......with Bowe

Wlad is top 15. Just below Lewis.

Top 15-20ish sounds about right for Wlad. Not one of the all time greats, but surely would still have been a strong contender in any era.

Surely he's an alltime great to be 15-20...........

He'll be with Holyfield, Tyson, Liston types..

But saying fury can beat them is like saying purdy could beat mayweather

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Surely he's an alltime great to be 15-20...........

He'll be with Holyfield, Tyson, Liston types..

Yep would agree with that assessment.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Surely he's an alltime great to be 15-20...........

Sure... I mean not up there in the mix when debating THE greatest of all time.

Wlad has never been a great heavyweight. A good, dominant champion but not a great one.

Saying that, his record proably does elevate him into the top 20. His real gift, besides his obvious physical talent, is that he can remain motivated against the procession of crud he faces.

He doesn't belong with Tyson, Holyfield or Liston for me.

15-20 sounds about right to me. Have said it before but the IBRO have the following five occupying those places

16.Jersey Joe Walcott
17.Ezzard Charles
18.Harry Wills
19.James J. Corbett
20.Bob Fitzsimmons

Don't think it is too far out of leftfield to make a reasonable argument to have Wlad displacing pretty much any of those guys.

Interesting............

When you consider Charles, Walcott, Holy, Lewis, Tyson, Liston, Frazier, Wills, Tunney etc occupy spaces between. 10-20.........

Hard to see how he isn't a great heavy If he's in the top 20..........

Tough one I guess.

Wlad would have an awesome early KO record if he didn't have to play with his opponents for a few rounds to keep ze Germans happy.

Tyson gets marked down because he had the potential to be the very best. All in all he had a very good reign with 9 defences which is better than many chumps ahead of him.

I'd have Liston and Frazier top ten. That Youtube vid I posted on another thread looked pretty good to me, apart from Lewis being a little high.

Wlad just isn't a great champion is he? Good but that's about it. Vitali has a better claim for me, but Wlad has the better resume.