P4P Best Fighters 90's to Today

I have just checked and realised that this has been done before but heck lets re-visit the topic again, since in my opinion it's a good one:

In the past few days we have seen various debates being raged amongst threads with regards to P4P Greatest Fighters of All Time...in particular surrounding the idea that modern fighters perhaps don't get a fair playing field due to an inability to fight as often amongst other things. So what better way to put a stop to this than to create a P4P list central to the past 20 odd years. The idea is to give a list of who you think are the best boxers pound for pound since the turn of the 1990's. Now obviously some fighters began there career slightly earlier but achieved much of their success post 1990's...the likes of Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whittaker, Azumah Nelson, Ricardo Lopez can all be considered since I would say they had a pretty large degree of success post 1990.

I would like anyone contributing to make a list of who they would have in their Top 20...but in terms of their Top 10 I would like reasons as to why you have placed them where you have. Hopefully this creates a little debate, rather than just a list of 20 names which get copied from websites! I'm going to say now that I do not want this turning into a Manny v Floyd thread...that is not the idea of the topic!

The aim is to come up with our very own 606v2 Fighters of the 90's to the Present Day by correlating all of the lists put together to come up with a FINAL P4P LIST!

I have listed some fighters below with the years they were active, both for possible consideration and to give an idea of the kind of time-frame we are looking at:

Oscar De La Hoya (1992-2008)
Roy Jones Jnr (1989-2011)
Mike Tyson (1985-2005)
Julio Cesar Chavez (1980-2005)
James Toney (1989-Present)
Lennox Lewis (1989-2003)
Evander Holyfield (1984-Present)
Joe Calzaghe (1993-2008)
Bernard Hopkins (1988-Present)
Floyd Mayweather (1996-Present)
Manny Pacquiao (1995-Present)
Shane Mosely (1993-Present)
Felix Trinidad (1990-2005)
Michael Carbajal (1989-1999)
Erik Morales (1993-2012)
Azumah Nelson (1979-1998)
Marco Antonio Barrera (1989-Present)
Mike McCallum (1981-1997)
Ricardo Lopez (1985-2001)
Pernell Whittaker (1984-1997)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1993-Present)
Jorge Arce (1996-Present)

Ronald Winky Wright, Vic Darchinyan, Israel Vazquez, Ivan Calderon and I am sure plenty more can be considered. Ok folks over to you!

1. Mayweather
2. Jones Jr
3. Whittaker
4. Manny Pac
5. DelaHoya
6. Hopkins
7. Lopez
8. Trinidad
9. Marquez
10. Lewis

Some other guys did some great work but in the 80s/90s..

1) Pernell Whitaker
2) Floyd Mayweather Jr
3) Roy Jones Jr
4) Julio Cesar Chavez
5) Manny Pacquiao
6) Bernard Hopkins
7) Ricardo Lopez
8) Azumah Nelson
9) Juan Manuel Marquez
10) Oscar De la Hoya

Difficult enough to rank the first ten, so won't try to give a precise order for 11-20. A rough one would be something like James Toney, Felix Trinidad, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Lennox Lewis, Terry Norris, Evander Holyfield, Ivan Calderon, Joe Calzaghe and Shane Mosley. There may well be a name or two I've forgotten as well.

A lot of the names I've mentioned above did good work before 1990, but they all at least had some of the peak or best performances after that year as well. Basically, I've included anyone who was still at or around the top of their game at any point after 1990 - so I've excluded guys like Khaosai Galaxy and Jeff Fenech, who were awesome in the second half of the eighties but whose post-1990 performances don't really add much, or weren't enough in terms of quantity. Ditto for Michael Nunn too, I guess.

Too early to be putting a number of fighters like Donaire and Ward right now, too.

What kind of idiot has Whittaker above Mayweather...

How many p4pers did he beat??????????/

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What kind of idiot has Whittaker above Mayweather...

How many p4pers did he beat??????????/

McGirt (top five pound for pound according to Ring Magazine, for example, for the previous two years when Pea beat him in 1993).

Nelson (had been in the Ring's top ten for the previous four years in succession when Whitaker beat him in 1990, and was still there as late as 1994).

Chavez, obviously many people's pound for pound number one between 1990 and 1993 and 87-0 when Whitaker handed him a lesson. Scored a 'draw' of course, but not by anyone sensible or on the level.

Any sane individual wants to look at Whittaker's record please tell me who he beat....

We know who he lost or drew with............40-4!!!!!!

All the best fighters he fought.....

Anyone that wants to put Whittaker above Mayweather above..please feel free to put Calzaghe above him too..............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What kind of idiot has Whittaker above Mayweather...

How many p4pers did he beat??????????/

Why are you so bothered about P4Pers its a mythical list anyhow.

Can you imagine Mayweather fighting Chavez in the Alamadome in his own manor? No I cant, he didnt take a 50 million dollar fight with a welterweight midget.

Cheers Rodders

Longevity wise Whittaker is y years shorter than Mayweather at the top.........Lost four times.......Never beaten anyone in a p4p list..............Lost to Oscar, Trinidad and If we want to be pedantic..........Ramirez.........

Mcgirt lost a shutout to Taylor..........

Nazario, Haugen, Lomeli all ordinary.....

Nelson a featherweight.....

Apart from that what a case...aces

Somebody doesn't like Floyd!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Longevity wise Whittaker is y years shorter than Mayweather at the top.........Lost four times.......Never beaten anyone in a p4p list..............Lost to Oscar, Trinidad and If we want to be pedantic..........Ramirez.........

Mcgirt lost a shutout to Taylor..........

Nazario, Haugen, Lomeli all ordinary.....

Nelson a featherweight.....

Apart from that what a case...aces

Somebody doesn't like Floyd!!

Are you going to just ignore my last post before this one, then?

Hatton was unbeaten and a p4per...also remember you picking him to win.........

Hadn't Chavez had a shutout schooling off Taylor by then...........

Sure Mayweather would have avoided him....

Cheers Trussers.

How does anyone put RJJ top 3?
What pfp/ATG did he beat? If you say B-Hop, he was avenged.

RJJ's career reads a lot like an American Calzaghes, with more weight divisions

This Floyd love is a little nauseating Truss.

Calzaghe won the Heavyweight title did he???...........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Longevity wise Whittaker is y years shorter than Mayweather at the top.........Lost four times.......Never beaten anyone in a p4p list..............Lost to Oscar, Trinidad and If we want to be pedantic..........Ramirez.........

Mcgirt lost a shutout to Taylor..........

Nazario, Haugen, Lomeli all ordinary.....

Nelson a featherweight.....

Apart from that what a case...aces

Somebody doesn't like Floyd!!

ok then
Hatton was LWW, Cotto had been smashed to pieces by Manny, Mosley handed a boxing lesson off Forrest and Winky, Gatti lost to Manfredy, Baldomir well ??

Stop arguing like a child

Rodders

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hatton was unbeaten and a p4per...also remember you picking him to win.........

Hadn't Chavez had a shutout schooling off Taylor by then...........

Sure Mayweather would have avoided him....

Cheers Trussers.

Well he avoided a career beginning flyweight who you keep claiming lost 10-1-1 off Marquez, of course he'd fight Chavez on his terms.

Take the test Julio blah blah blah

Thanks Rodders

Floyd has.been at the top for 15 years....Ring fighter of the year three times..........Won titles from 130-154.........

Beat 3 p4pers..........

and yet some wally puts a guy with none of those achievements above him....

40-4 WTF.

Why don't you just admit you don't like him..........

Best fighter I've ever seen in my lifetime..................and he deserves respect.

kingraf wrote:How does anyone put RJJ top 3?
What pfp/ATG did he beat? If you say B-Hop, he was avenged.

RJJ's career reads a lot like an American Calzaghes, with more weight divisions

Come on now, kingraf.

As I said above, Jones spent a decade as arguably the best fighter, pound for pound, on the planet. When did Calzaghe gatecrash the pound for pound lists? He was nudging them after beating Lacy in 2006, and didn't make it official until 2007 when he beat Kessler - a whole decade after his first world title which was defended over and over and over again against journeymen, late replacements and gatekeepers, with the very occasional ranked fighter thrown in here and there. Either way, he was never numero uno.

Surely you can't think that the 2010 rematch between Hopkins and Jones meant anything or is a stick to beat Jones with, or a win that means anything to Hopkins' legacy either?

I don't like him, how can you you ? He's a horrible cretin of a human being, whether for its for the camera or not, totally classless.

However wonderful fighter, definetly one of the best i've seen. But lost all interest when he makes a comeback and sidetracks Pacquaio (and that goes for Manny as well)

No interest in who he fights now as its blantant cherry picking, if he fights Alvarez he'll earn back my respect.

Cheers Rodders

Jorge paez, Gary Jacobs, Greg haugen, Louie Lomeli, Juan Nazario, Buddy mcgirt (ko12 by Taylor).............Nelson (featherweight)..........Ramirez...

That's about it!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's look at the quality on his record............

Oscar lost to..................Trinidad lost to.....Chavez drew with (ex 130 pounder)

Mate you haven't got a case.......

1. Whitaker
2. Jones
3. Mayweather
4. Pacquiao
5. Chavez
6. Hopkins
7. Marquez
8. Lopez
9. Holyfield
10. Trinidad

That's a rough hack at it -- pretty open to making changes.

Is Arce a typo? Winky Wright's worth a mention.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:This Floyd love is a little nauseating Truss.

Love is blind.....

Jones above Mayweather now.....

Chavez best work was pre 90s.............for me.

The question is, who did he beat? The Ruiz win was impressive, but thats hardly taking akin to taking the belt off Witaly. Nothing against RJJ, he was my favourite boxer growing up, but top 3?

hazharrison wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:This Floyd love is a little nauseating Truss.

Love is blind.....

"Only good judges had Hagler beating Leonard".......................Gil Clancy???

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Floyd has.been at the top for 15 years....Ring fighter of the year three times..........Won titles from 130-154.........

Beat 3 p4pers..........

and yet some wally puts a guy with none of those achievements above him....

40-4 WTF.

Why don't you just admit you don't like him..........

Best fighter I've ever seen in my lifetime..................and he deserves respect.

For God's sake Truss, what the hell is wrong with you?

Deserves respect? So does anything less than being number one translate as nobody respecting him? I've got him at number two, only marginally behind Pea and ahead of guys like Jones, Chavez and Pacquiao. Just because I don't try to turn every single thread in to a Floyd slobber fest like you do these days it doesn't mean I'm "disrespecting" him.

Whitaker took on and beat just as many top ten pound for pounders as Mayweather has, as far as I can see. Chavez and Nelson are going to outrank any of Mayweather's victims. Before you start moaning like a massive tart, any of the criticisms you're about to throw at those wins can be thrown at Floyd's as well.

Marciano, 49-0, must surely rank way ahead of Ali, 56-5, then? If not, then stop chucking about Pea's (again, fraudulent) 40-4-1 and getting yourself all wet over Floyd's 43-0.

Every time Mayweather's name has come up in the past couple of months you've basically ruined whatever the thread is with your obsession with him, and it's getting a bit tired and sad now. I like me some beefster on here, you know that, but you need to get a hold of yourself when it comes to Floyd.

Marquez...........DelaHoya...................

Who did Whittaker beat as good as them???......

Jones beat Hopkins and Toney -- two future hall of famers.

I'm knocking Lewis off my list...

Because I don't like him...............

The whole Mayweather has been done to death on the thread from yesterday guys! Drop it on here Truss!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Marquez...........DelaHoya...................

Who did Whittaker beat as good as them???......

Marquez was a tubby lightweight (pre-Angel Heredia).

Oscar was faded.

Whitaker took on a better version and arguably should have been given the nod. The unofficial win over Chavez, Nelson, McGirt. Top wins and he never avoided anybody.

Truss had Mayweather as his no 2 ATG after Ali, when he beat Mosley.

Each to their own but your'e flogging a dead horse when it comes to Floyd with him, gets slightly carried away in the moment.

Cheers Rodders

Here we go...........................

Who was at the top longer Mayweather or Whittaker..........??

Who has lost ??

Who has beat the better fighters??

Who has been fighter of the year more?

Who has won more titles ??

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Any fairminded posters reading this thread do your research and remember..

Don't let dislike cloud your judgement!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:This Floyd love is a little nauseating Truss.

Love is blind.....

"Only good judges had Hagler beating Leonard".......................Gil Clancy???

I never said that. Check the thread looney tunes.

Not much point me arguing with you Haz is there kid.....

Yesterday after pointing out your stupidity on Judges.........You went back edited your post and swore blind you'd never written what you did..

So you can sling it.. only tackle those that play FAIR!!

Any mod with the powers to be please feel free to close the thread! Can't be doing with it being turned into yet another Mayweather slug fest...demerits the point of the article which whilst looking to create some debate was aiming to focus on other names as well.

I had hoped to get a fair few people doing this and was going to use a points method per position people had each boxer to come up with an overall 606v2 List....now I feel everyone will pop in...see the same argument which is littering every thread at the moment and just leave. Might as well take it down chaps!

Before I came on with the list...........It was Ten down and being ignored........

Doing you a favor..

You made the mistake of mentioning Floyd Ozzy. Go with my approach, write about some geezer from 100 years ago nobody has ever heard of you will be too busy watching the tumbleweed to worry about the thread getting derailed.

I realise that TRUSS and whilst I appreciate any of my threads being bumped up to keep it relevant...there is little point in it being open if it's just one which is going over the same points people are arguing over on another thread.

The P4P list is meant to be subjective so it was more a case of people getting talking about past greats...achievements etc rather than another thread where people argue with what is essentially just someone else's 'opinion'!

Wasn't a dig at you (though you do seem to be on a Floyd crusade at the moment)...as it takes two to start up the bickering!

kingraf wrote:The question is, who did he beat? The Ruiz win was impressive, but thats hardly taking akin to taking the belt off Witaly. Nothing against RJJ, he was my favourite boxer growing up, but top 3?

Toney. Widely-considered pound for pound number two in 1994, and was undefeated on the record. In the form of his life and still good enough to pick up titles years after fighting Roy. Absolutely humiliated by Jones.

Hopkins. Number two contender, didn't lose for another twelve years afterwards and was a world champion within the next two. Beaten by Jones.

Reggie Johnson. Prior to fighting Roy, his only defeats had been in razor-tight contests against guys like Toney and Castro - he was never decisively beaten. Two-weight world champion and beat good fighters like Collins and Gonzalez and was never dominated again after fighting Jones; but Roy completely toyed with him.

Malinga: Dropped a controversial decision to Eubank, beat Benn, but completely outclassed and knocked out within six rounds by Jones.

Richard Hall: Good enough to give Michalczewski absolute hell twice over, but given an incredibly one-sided and contemptuous beating by Jones.

Griffin: Undefeated when he faced Jones, gave Michalczewski problems before being on the wrong end of a dodgy stoppage, beat Toney twice (albeit one was controversial). Thrashed in a single round by Jones in their rematch.

Gonzalez: Undefeated when Jones boxed him and subsequently went on to beat Michalczewski and Glencoffe Johnson. Again, toyed with by Jones over a twelve-round shutout.

Virgill Hill: Never stopped before facing Jones, having just gone the full twelve with the 'other' champion at 175 in Michalczewski. Still good enough to win another world title afterwards. Stopped in four rounds by Jones.

Jones' competition is much better than some want us to believe - but he was just so good, he made them look terrible.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Here we go...........................

1. Who was at the top longer Mayweather or Whittaker..........??

2. Who has lost ??

3. Who has beat the better fighters??

4. Who has been fighter of the year more?

5. Who has won more titles ??

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Any fairminded posters reading this thread do your research and remember..

Don't let dislike cloud your judgement!!

1. Top of what? Whitaker reigned longer at a single weight.
2. Whitaker. Only decisively beaten by a peak Trinidad when past his best.
3. Whitaker.
4. Whitaker with BWAA. Mayweather with Ring.
5. Whitaker won 19 title fights. Mayweather 20 (however, titles became even more splintered since Whitaker retired with super champions and whatnot).

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not much point me arguing with you Haz is there kid.....

Yesterday after pointing out your stupidity on Judges.........You went back edited your post and swore blind you'd never written what you did..

So you can sling it.. only tackle those that play FAIR!!

If you edit a post, it can be evidenced in the bottom corner. Go and check the thread.

Seeing things in between gazing at Floyd's eyes. Are you sure you aren't Leonard Ellerbe?

1. Whittaker reigned at a weak weight.......when others like Oscar looked for top fighters!! Put Calzaghe above Mayweather..

2. Whittaker lost 4 times

3. ...................dear oh dear

Your case....you don't have a case..............

Who'd he beat better than Oscar.........

ANY MOD'S OR ADMINS FEEL FREE TO LOCK THIS THREAD! HONESTLY NO POINT IN IT NOW...LADS IF YOU WANT TO CARRY ON THIS MAYWEATHER vs whoever each day crops up (i.e. SRR yesterday, Whittaker today...) then do so on the thread that has already had the discussion.

Not a bash at anyone just little point in flooding the board with 2 articles discussing the exact same thing whilst not actually achieving the aim of the thread!
Cheers!