He Can Still Dance And His Father Made An Obvious Difference

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Well.

What a performance. And before we get into it I don't want to hear how Robert G had no right being in there, was never in his class and all that cr**. Sure, he wasn't in his class, no one is, but my word, he made the man look clueless at times, Mayweather completely disarmed the six times world champion over four weights.

Oh... And Money can still dance.

Who would've thought it?

For several fights now he has either leaned on the ropes or stood behind a shoulder in the center of the ring and done his work. But last night he danced! He moved, he made Robert pay every time he missed. And man alive, his DEFENSE! Wowzers. Mayweather looked younger, fresher and more invigorated than he has in a long time.

For me, after seeing that, the only fight he has problems with is Canelo at 154 because Canelo will come in weighing 170. At 147 Mayweather dusts him.

Thoughts on the clinic, I mean, fight?

So Az, Truss and onetwo, are you suggesting Floyd shouldn't fight Canelo? He's the man at light middle, surely Floyd will want to move up from his current paper champion status?

I wonder what sway showtime have in terms of the fighters he needs to face. If it is Floyds decision then I expect he will take a few easy fights and boost his already massive bank balance.

He's a fantastic business man (or at least his advisors are)... I would do the same if I was in his shoes. Easy fights for big money. Wouldn't care about legacy, that isn't going to buy you that bentley.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:After Leonard beat Hearns he fought Bruce Finch and was signed to fight Roger Stafford...hardly decent opposition..

Why didn't he sign to fight Pryor???

He's top 10................

Robbo wouldn't sign for a third Turpin fight even though Solomon put up the money he insisted on!!!

Why don't you apply the same standards to them..

Again talking real sense.

I fear however TRUSS that these Floyd haters will not except anyone Floyd beats. 45 and 0 yet Calzaghe gets more credit to people like WHU, JBW, manos etc

Your just making things up. Ive been highly critical of Calzaghes reign and shock, horror rate Mayweather somewhere between ten and twenty all time (automatically making me a Floyd hater of course).

I wouldnt mind a reasoned debate on the subject, but the only way the Mayweather brigade can seem to debate is to drive everything out of context and pretend everyone is arguing something they are not.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:So Az, Truss and onetwo, are you suggesting Floyd shouldn't fight Canelo? He's the man at light middle, surely Floyd will want to move up from his current paper champion status?

I wonder what sway showtime have in terms of the fighters he needs to face. If it is Floyds decision then I expect he will take a few easy fights and boost his already massive bank balance.

He's a fantastic business man (or at least his advisors are)... I would do the same if I was in his shoes. Easy fights for big money. Wouldn't care about legacy, that isn't going to buy you that bentley.

Learn to read before putting both feet in your mouth.........again.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:They will do...believe me..........When he starts flashing the grin and the class...

Stay at 147.............clean up Khan, Brook types.....

and enjoy his Top 10 status....

He deserves it.....

Robbo 147-160 and he's the greatest ever..........Armstrong 126-147............

Why should Mayweather go 130-154...........when they didn't have to!!

Answer me that...................

Different era, means different conditioning, different facilities, higher tech video footage of opponents etc. Also Floyd is the best of this era but to compare his acheivements with Sugar ray robinson or Henry Armstrong is pushing it considering his own uncle and father rates these 2 guys as 'greatest ever'. They train him so you'd think they no more about me and you on how their nephew rates alongside these guys.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:Can't win with you, you say we hate on khan, Fury etc because there British and then say that we hate on Floyd because as he isn't British

Don't really see how rating someone as 11-15 ATG is hating but oh well

I haven't said people hate Khan and Fury because they're British. Where did you get that from?

I hate this idea that Alvarez is too big for Floyd to fight.

It's OK for Floyd to fight Guerrero as they currently fight in the same division, this is agreed by everyone.

But when Floyd is looking to fight a Light Middleweight suddenly they are too big despite Floyd fighting in that division as early as 2007 and Floyd becomes a blown up Super Featherweight who has no business in the ring with Canelo.

Back in 2007 Guerrero was a Featherweight but no one complains Mayweather was beating a blown up Featherweight because by fight time he was a Welterweight, same as Floyd. Just the same as Floyd is now a Light Middleweight champion and so has no reason not to fight other Light Middleweights.

Mayweather is a genuine great and the best fighter of his generation but my god his fans are stupid and annoying. Saying that people fancied Guererro to win and now claim he was a rubbish opponent just isn't true, not a single person on the predictor league thought he would win and very few are saying he was a rubbish opponent, pretty much everyone agrees it was a good win but they would have preferred a fight with Alvarez.

Floyd beats Alvarez in my opinion and not because Canelo is overrated or inexperienced but because Floyd is a truly special fighter......... Who could have tested himself more throughout his career.

SRL fought at SMW. No one asked him to remain there. I reckon Floyd's limit is WW. Above that he gives away too much. But Saul is a nothing fighter for Floyd anyway.

Interestingly had SRR won the LHW title and defended it once before moving back down to MW, no-one would have said he ducked other LHWs.

But I reckon he should fight Saul. Huge money fight and one that will make people talk of boxing for the right reason.....assuming Saul is not juicing.

bellchees wrote:I hate this idea that Alvarez is too big for Floyd to fight.

It's OK for Floyd to fight Guerrero as they currently fight in the same division, this is agreed by everyone.

But when Floyd is looking to fight a Light Middleweight suddenly they are too big despite Floyd fighting in that division as early as 2007 and Floyd becomes a blown up Super Featherweight who has no business in the ring with Canelo.

Back in 2007 Guerrero was a Featherweight but no one complains Mayweather was beating a blown up Featherweight because by fight time he was a Welterweight, same as Floyd. Just the same as Floyd is now a Light Middleweight champion and so has no reason not to fight other Light Middleweights.

Mayweather is a genuine great and the best fighter of his generation but my god his fans are stupid and annoying. Saying that people fancied Guererro to win and now claim he was a rubbish opponent just isn't true, not a single person on the predictor league thought he would win and very few are saying he was a rubbish opponent, pretty much everyone agrees it was a good win but they would have preferred a fight with Alvarez.

Floyd beats Alvarez in my opinion and not because Canelo is overrated or inexperienced but because Floyd is a truly special fighter......... Who could have tested himself more throughout his career.

The whole, Mayweather should have tested himself more argument is fine. I understand that to some he has fought opponents when they seem weaker, for example, have come off a loss or whatever. However, let's consider who he never fought: Cheatarito. Well, I'm glad, because that guy was a cheat. Prime Sugar Shane, well, Shane was a cheat too. Prime Cotto, well, he was fighting for Top Rank, and he did go up to face him in the end. Pac Man in his prime. Well... After his last fight i find it impossible not to see PED's as an issue.

I'm not pretending there weren't times i jumped on Mayweather for not fighting certain fighters. But i do think I've been proven wrong, and there are plenty of great wins on his record. Against diversely skilled opponents too. Also, I don't think anyone beats Mayweather unless they are too big for him, and even then i can see Mayweather winning. He is the most gifted athlete in boxing. The Ghost gets stick, but he was a genuine world class opponent, proven over several years and at the weight. It's because Mayweather makes them look so bad that people say they aren't that good. Even when he is tested, and then adapts like he did against Zab he gets stick. A rematch against Castillo to prove he was the better man and peeps say the Mexican was robbed in the first fight, not how ballsy it was to take the rematch. Okay, the first fights stats were in favor of Castillo, it was a really debatable decision, with awful scoring, but still, Mayweather then re-matched and whooped him.

I am a believer in Mayweather's boxing career now. All the way. Despite his lifestyle choices and attitude. His boxing is sublime. Last night was beautiful to watch.

No Canelo fight, please, he's way too big and if he wants it should come down, but there's plenty of other tests out there.

Garcia would be good. Let's have him next year. But for September, hmm... Kell Brook? lol.

Mayweather vs Canelo next May would make Mayweather 50-60 million and Canelo around 20-25 million IMO. That fight could do 3 million PPV and sellout 80,000 seats. But it wont happen. Because Canelo is too big.

Would be an absolute blockbuster though. Huge.

davidemore wrote:Mayweather vs Canelo next May would make Mayweather 50-60 million and Canelo around 20-25 million IMO. That fight could do 3 million PPV and sellout 80,000 seats. But it wont happen. Because Canelo is too big.

Would be an absolute blockbuster though. Huge.

A $60m fight? Canelo should get $10m. Floyd is the proven man. Canelo is the hype job. Let him earn the money as opposed to riding on Floyd's coat tails. That fight should happen in Oct/November to allow Floyd enough time to get his diet right and bulk up properly.

In a year's time, Floyd will be too old I reckon.

Wont happen at all, I'm just saying it would make a lot of money. Canelo brings a million PPV buys if it happens next year. Mayweather maybe 1.5, so it be a fair split IMO. 3 million buys ish brings in over a hundred and twenty million, plenty to go round.

davidemore wrote:

bellchees wrote:I hate this idea that Alvarez is too big for Floyd to fight.

It's OK for Floyd to fight Guerrero as they currently fight in the same division, this is agreed by everyone.

But when Floyd is looking to fight a Light Middleweight suddenly they are too big despite Floyd fighting in that division as early as 2007 and Floyd becomes a blown up Super Featherweight who has no business in the ring with Canelo.

Back in 2007 Guerrero was a Featherweight but no one complains Mayweather was beating a blown up Featherweight because by fight time he was a Welterweight, same as Floyd. Just the same as Floyd is now a Light Middleweight champion and so has no reason not to fight other Light Middleweights.

Mayweather is a genuine great and the best fighter of his generation but my god his fans are stupid and annoying. Saying that people fancied Guererro to win and now claim he was a rubbish opponent just isn't true, not a single person on the predictor league thought he would win and very few are saying he was a rubbish opponent, pretty much everyone agrees it was a good win but they would have preferred a fight with Alvarez.

Floyd beats Alvarez in my opinion and not because Canelo is overrated or inexperienced but because Floyd is a truly special fighter......... Who could have tested himself more throughout his career.

The whole, Mayweather should have tested himself more argument is fine. I understand that to some he has fought opponents when they seem weaker, for example, have come off a loss or whatever. However, let's consider who he never fought: Cheatarito. Well, I'm glad, because that guy was a cheat. Prime Sugar Shane, well, Shane was a cheat too. Prime Cotto, well, he was fighting for Top Rank, and he did go up to face him in the end. Pac Man in his prime. Well... After his last fight i find it impossible not to see PED's as an issue.

I'm not pretending there weren't times i jumped on Mayweather for not fighting certain fighters. But i do think I've been proven wrong, and there are plenty of great wins on his record. Against diversely skilled opponents too. Also, I don't think anyone beats Mayweather unless they are too big for him, and even then i can see Mayweather winning. He is the most gifted athlete in boxing. The Ghost gets stick, but he was a genuine world class opponent, proven over several years and at the weight. It's because Mayweather makes them look so bad that people say they aren't that good. Even when he is tested, and then adapts like he did against Zab he gets stick. A rematch against Castillo to prove he was the better man and peeps say the Mexican was robbed in the first fight, not how ballsy it was to take the rematch. Okay, the first fights stats were in favor of Castillo, it was a really debatable decision, with awful scoring, but still, Mayweather then re-matched and whooped him.

I am a believer in Mayweather's boxing career now. All the way. Despite his lifestyle choices and attitude. His boxing is sublime. Last night was beautiful to watch.

No Canelo fight, please, he's way too big and if he wants it should come down, but there's plenty of other tests out there.

Garcia would be good. Let's have him next year. But for September, hmm... Kell Brook? lol.

He's not too big if Floyd is a champion in the same division. If Canelo can make 154 then he is a Light Middleweight and Floyd is a Light Middleweight world champion, no reason it shouldn't happen from a boxing point of view.

davidemore wrote:Wont happen at all, I'm just saying it would make a lot of money. Canelo brings a million PPV buys if it happens next year. Mayweather maybe 1.5, so it be a fair split IMO. 3 million buys ish brings in over a hundred and twenty million, plenty to go round.

Nope. Floyd is the proven guy here. Saul is the hype. Saul should be grateful for $10m or go back fighting old men (and the occassional decent fighter - -give credit where it's due, trout was a great win who in hindsight was pretty average).

I have to say Az, as much as I don't like getting into daft arguments, sometimes you really do grate on me! Some of the complete nonsense you come out with is quite unbelievable.

Your saying Saul is the unproven fighter and deserves nothing more than 30% yet anyone with half a brain realises that as a fighter he brings much more to the table than anyone else. For a start he is mexican and on a mexican holiday that brings more than likes of Khan, Maidana, Judah etc could bring in a lifetime. Secondly he is the only legitimate fighter out there that people want to see Floyd tested against.

You keep calling people haters when they say he has to test himself and that befoe Guerrero fought him everyone was saying this would be a difficult test, yet when people say and prove otherwise you say nothing! *as i did earlier in this thread and another, i.e. Guerrero was good but nothing more than an average mandatory for a title holder in any other division!!.

If Mayweather is as good as he believes he is and says he is then Alvarzez should be an easy nights work regardless of the weight. People are making it out like Saul will have a 40/50 lb weight advantage, he wont. He will have 24 lb max and there are plenty of people who have given that up whether we are talking about modern or past fighters. Heck I dont see Haye getting away with anything with regards to Valuev or Wlad and both of them outweighed him by alot more than that! Give over with the crappy excuses! Saul is proven...everyone said he wasn't before Trout and then said he would get beaten...then he won and all of a sudden he hasn't faced anyone decent! Well im sorry but the only great, no scratch that, incredible fighter in his division who he could prove himself against is Mayweather...and all of his fans are saying he shouldn't have to take it!

Sorry Az, thats look very much like a post aimed directly at you and whilst it is in some context it is aimed generally at Floyd posters. You have shown some leeway with regards to him, but I still stick my point that far to many people are getting stick and being called haters/idiots for disagreeing with this consensus that Guerrero was p4p fighter. I still stick to my argument that he simply wasn't. Like I said a fair few people have done more than him and have a better ledger. For a start would you say Guerrero's wins over Casaymayor (38), Katsidis (Lower World), Berto (B Class and had been beaten), were any better than those of Haye who gets crucified on here yet beat the consensus (Guerrero hasnt done that) number 1 at Cruiserweight and did so by knocking him out in his back yard and then beat someone at Heavyweight who weighed almost 4 stone heavier was a foot taller and had a plus 7 inch reach advantage! And people are saying Alvarez woulnd't be fair...absolutely stupid argument!!!

people say canelo is unproven but he is unbeaten in nearly 45 fights and has beaten mosley, trout, Lopez, Baldomir and Rhodes.

Canelo is hugely talented and is the number 1 guy everyone wants to see floyd fight.

ALso Canelo would bring so much money to a fight with floyd because he is loved in Mexico.

There was a lot of people picking RG to win :- murry, freddy roach, alverez! And many others so it must've been a some what difficult fight! Alverez would get whooped being far to overhyped altho he is a star in the making

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:So Az, Truss and onetwo, are you suggesting Floyd shouldn't fight Canelo? He's the man at light middle, surely Floyd will want to move up from his current paper champion status?

I wonder what sway showtime have in terms of the fighters he needs to face. If it is Floyds decision then I expect he will take a few easy fights and boost his already massive bank balance.

He's a fantastic business man (or at least his advisors are)... I would do the same if I was in his shoes. Easy fights for big money. Wouldn't care about legacy, that isn't going to buy you that bentley.

Learn to read before putting both feet in your mouth.........again.

Not going to answer then? Or are you just going to continue to try and be all pompous?

Floyd will fight Canelo. Floyd will beat him convincingly. Canelo is ok, he is decent, but he is made to order for Floyd. I thought the Trout fight was a slot closer than scored. Floyds timing nice clocked Guerrero rhythm was the most impressive thing for me. To make that adjustment so quickly after a year out was stunning.
Canelo will get beat to the punch time and gain. Then mid rounds we will see an effective gameplay switch to the body, where I have always felt he is susceptible because of the weight he carries.You could see a late stoppage. Either way his face will show he got hit plenty by Lin point accurate shots. Don't think Canelo is next though, makes more sense to do it this time next year for Cinqo de Mayo!

Diamond in the rough wrote:There was a lot of people picking RG to win :- murry, freddy roach, alverez! And many others so it must've been a some what difficult fight! Alverez would get whooped being far to overhyped altho he is a star in the making

Roach and Alvarez pick Guerrero so they must think it, its not like either have a history with mayweather. Pretty sure Roach said Guerrero KO's him and Cotto beats him too. Alvarez was bitter about Floyd not agreeing to fight him

In regards to how well Canelo-Mayweather will do, I honestly believe that we'll be looking at 2million although it won't beat DLH-Floyd. Canelo is the biggest draw available for Floyd. Az says he's overrated, but boxing consensus know that he's the best lightmiddleweight in the world and a really talented fighter who is improving with every fight

$50- $60million for Floyd and $10-$20mil for Canelo isn't too hard to foresee. Comparisons can be drawn looking at DLH vs Floyd, Floyd at this point in his career is where DLH was (maybe even bigger?) and Canelo is about as big a draw as floyd was going into the DLH fight. You have to remember that Floyd wasn't a huge star untill DLH. He had 3 PPV fights but all got about 300k buys which isn't huge. He didnt sell out the MGM untill a couple fight. Canelo has sold out the MGM against an overmatched Lopez on the same night as Martinez-JCC jr which was huge fight. He also sold 40000 tickets on his name agaisnt Trout as well as sell outs in big Mexican stadiums

DLH got $58mil for there fight and Floyd got $25mil so its not hard to assume the figures will be similar with Floyds huge base purses and Canelo having already made over a million dollars several times in his career

Jack. I've said numerous times on all threads that Floyd should and will fight Saul. It will be an easy payday.

It be a huge spectacle for the sport, i know that much.

In my experience the majority or the small minority that picked Guerrero to win did so because they thought Mayweathers prison spell and age might have caught up with him. Outside of that, I dont think many people would have given Guerrero much of a shot at all. Mayweather gets to pick whoever he wants to fight and I just dont think he would have picked Guerrero if he thought he posed a big risk. Guerrero is a good fighter, but he got himself into position by outslugging Berto in a fan friendly scrap much like Ortiz did. Watching that fight, the only real chance you could give Guerrero to beat Mayweather was that if Mayweather had become shot.

ALvarez poses a significantly greater threat to Mayweather. Mayweather has fought at lmw twice. Both times I had him winning competitive fights by a 116-112 scoreline and not having things all his own way. Alvarez at this stage I think is better than the versions of de la Hoya and Cotto that Mayweather faced. It would be a tough fight for Mayweather and Mayweather knows this. Its going to be interesting to see if Mayweather goes for this fight now because there will be softer options available that he is guaranteed to make 30 million fighting.

Canelo is the kind of physically imposing fighter that can sometimes seem to unsettle Floyd. Canelo is also at the top of his game too and surprised a fair few in his last fight, showing plenty of flair in defence. Few have touched on it but Floyd is reluctant when he knows he can't hurt a fighter, and he wouldn't put a dent in Alvarez. He knows Alvarez has the power to swiitch his lights off too. I don't think he'll will take the fight. Take Cotto post Shane when he had a real aura, was at the top of his game, and the fight was primed. Floyd retires. Take Marg, when no one knew Tony was loaded. You even had some Floyd fans claiming Floyd wasn't a real welterweight as a reason for Floyd not to fight him. Can you believe that!

The Canelo fight ticks all the boxes, and to take a lesser option would be surprising, though sensible from a financial point of view. But pleasing the fans is not a priority for Floyd. At least that's a fight where you could make at least a reasonable case for Floyd losing. Take the toughest challenge available and make this six fight deal something to remember rather than a damp squib.

Mayweather fought DLH at 154 for the money and Cotto (I believe)as a dig at Manny for the catchweight in his fight with Cotto.
Floyd seems to be the only 'light middle' who doesn't have to cut weight therefore is at a size disadvantage to begin with. He's a welterweight as far as I can see and doesn't look all that big at that weight either.
His age will also play a part. His age will catch u with him at some point and couple that with a size disadvantage, legacy wise I cant see the point in fighting Canelo (from Mayweathers imagined perspective). He will get little credit in years to come and if Canelo wins it would be belittled due to age (similar to DLH's win over Whitaker).
I'd still pay to see it though.

Unfortunately for Mayweather his refusal to fight Pacquiao has everyone going over his opponents with a fine comb, and rightly so. If he had faced and defeated Pacquiao he could have been fighting anyone in these last few fights and no one would have cared.

The Galveston Giant wrote:Unfortunately for Mayweather his refusal to fight Pacquiao has everyone going over his opponents with a fine comb, and rightly so. If he had faced and defeated Pacquiao he could have been fighting anyone in these last few fights and no one would have cared.

Agree. Whoever people blame, the fact Pac v Floyd didn't happen is a stain on both thof them

Herman Jaggery wrote:Canelo is the kind of physically imposing fighter that can sometimes seem to unsettle Floyd. Canelo is also at the top of his game too and surprised a fair few in his last fight, showing plenty of flair in defence. Few have touched on it but Floyd is reluctant when he knows he can't hurt a fighter, and he wouldn't put a dent in Alvarez. He knows Alvarez has the power to swiitch his lights off too. I don't think he'll will take the fight. Take Cotto post Shane when he had a real aura, was at the top of his game, and the fight was primed. Floyd retires. Take Marg, when no one knew Tony was loaded. You even had some Floyd fans claiming Floyd wasn't a real welterweight as a reason for Floyd not to fight him. Can you believe that!

The Canelo fight ticks all the boxes, and to take a lesser option would be surprising, though sensible from a financial point of view. But pleasing the fans is not a priority for Floyd. At least that's a fight where you could make at least a reasonable case for Floyd losing. Take the toughest challenge available and make this six fight deal something to remember rather than a damp squib.

with all due respect think we should bookmark this one for review after he fights and and defeats Canelo by taking him to school. The fight will happen! The the golden boy connection ensures that as do the financial imperatives, show time will also insist on it. It will prob be on Cinqo de mayo next year and not the next fight... Makes financial sense.
As for the boxing... I would love to be given an analysis by anyone or the category of pugilistic skills where Canelo is better or on par with Floyd. The only thing i hear people constantly mention is Canelo is the naturally bigger stronger man. Well i dont know when people will open their eyes and start recognising the physicality of Floyd. No one roughs him up on the inside simply becuase Floyd is actually ironically a great grappler... you wont walk him down or move him back in the clinch.... he has long developed ways of holding and disabling people from throwing punches on the inside... truth is its so clever that it should get a point deducted at some stage but he usually blindsides the ref. And this is Floyd down to the tee, ring smarts, old school ring smarts. And now senior is back in the camp he is goinf back to those smarts.
Canelo has been protected, we all know this and it is understandable as he ih GBP's cash cow. Canelo could have risked it against even an ageing Cotto.Great match up, Mexico vs Pueto Rico, but they wouldnt risk it as Cotto still has ability to be a beast if its the right fight and he is suitably up for it. Canelo therefore would be taking a HUGE step up facing a guy like Floyd, who is quicker, defensively elusive and has an unparalled punch accuracy. Floyd aint Trout and I amongst others felt TRout did better than the judges scored it. If you want to know the truth go and look in the eyes of Dela Hoya during Floyds outclasssing of Guerrero! He was astoounded simply becuase the Floyd in there defied logic, he looked fresher and younger, had his lateral movement,legs and defensive smarts back; and Oscar knows that this version of Floyd can choose to embarass a boxer in technical shut outs. canelo is in trouble and GBP know it in their hearts. i have pasted below Richard Schaefers comments in the post fight interviews on Oscar's views:

"I was sitting next to Oscar and he said he was really impressed with Floyd...his speed, his skills, but he kept saying, 'It's amazing how light he is on his feet.' I think it was a pretty impressive performance given the fact he was out of the ring for one year," stated Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who spoke to the media about Mayweather's performance against multi-division world champion Robert Guerrero."

Not arguing that Canelo wins zoomy, just that it's the best, most legacy-enhancing fight available to him at present, so don't get your knickers in a twist.

Would Cinqo de Mayo really make all that much difference, or might it even take something away from the occasion? I would have thought in the middle of September would be perfect. The fight couldn't be any more primed than it is now- Fioyd coming off an impressive performance, the Canelo hype gathering momentum nicely, just beaten his chief rival in the light middle. Nice to see Floyd and his daddy getting on well too.

Floyd would beat him with mayo or ketchup. The hype train that is Canelo will be permanently derailed.