Floyd's 49-0

Floyd has 5 fights left on his showtime contract. If he wins them it brings him up to the legendary score of 49-0. Will Floyd do a Larry on it and fall short? He's planning to fight in September, if this happens then he looks on track to fulfil his contract by 2015, which to me would mean fighting fighters who are names now. So who takes the remaining 5 slots? and will he finish on 49-0? He must have 50-0 and out in his head??

Personally I don't see him fighting Canelo ever, I think the fact that Floyd wouldn't sign up to a September fight in return for Canelo fighting on the undercard tells you all you need to know there. Imagine how many buys there would have been had Trout v Canelo been the undercard, and how much Floyd would have made. It really could not possibly be a better deal for Floyd, 2 massive PPV's with him in the driving seat for both. So unfortunately I think that fight will only ever be speculation now.

So in your opinions, will the mythical 49-0 be achieved? and who gets beaten in the process? It can hardly have been a coincidence that the 6 fight deal ties in with the most famous record in boxing, can it?

I think short term one of Khan, Garcia or Alexander. With respect to these guys, he could beat all three on the same night.

Longer term I would like him to give Broner a right good hiding, but probably wont happen.

My fear is he will just coast it. Hes already got the deal signed and the money in the bank so he can be as selective as he wants. As he gets older he will need to protect that 0 and he will be less likely to risk it. At a guess, something like.

1. Garcia
2. Khan
3. Rios/Alexander
4. Matthysse
5. Ortiz II

Ricardo Lopez gets overlooked again...

Union Cane wrote:Ricardo Lopez gets overlooked again...

He's fight cleverly next, so wouldn't be in a lww/ww/lmw list

Not as a potential opponent you silly man, I was referring to his 51-0 record.

I know but he had a draw in there somewhere so I took a rare opportunity to bash cleverly on this site.

I struggle to see him fight 5 more times, he just isn't the type to box twice a year and a lot of his PPV success has been because fights sparingly so if the buys dries up Showtime will take action

That said he looked fantastic and better than anyone else out there so maybe he can fight regularly

I can't see Floyd changing his low risk policy at this stage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's only fighting to put money in his pension. He blew a lot of money though the years and ran up a big tax bill. His stint in jail might also have made him think about his future a bit more. Minimum risk maximum return.

What is with you people?

''Oh he's getting too old''

''Oh low risk, maximum blah blah blah''

Name me 1 war that Floyd has been in???
He does not get hit, does not take punishment and trains very hard, always in fantastic shape.

How is Canelo a big name yet? What has he done?
Geurrero is a 6 time title holder why are you guys not in awe of Floyd.

Martinez is older then Floyd but you want him to fight Mayweather. Murry schooled him yet he is a credible opponant for Floyd????????????

Floyd is on a level all his own its time you guys realised that there is no such thing as low risk maxiumum whatever Floyd can make any fighter look like a novice.

Just enjoy the man and his final 5 fights and praise him.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:What is with you people?

''Oh he's getting too old''

''Oh low risk, maximum blah blah blah''

Name me 1 war that Floyd has been in???
He does not get hit, does not take punishment and trains very hard, always in fantastic shape.

How is Canelo a big name yet? What has he done?
Geurrero is a 6 time title holder why are you guys not in awe of Floyd.

Martinez is older then Floyd but you want him to fight Mayweather. Murry schooled him yet he is a credible opponant for Floyd????????????

Floyd is on a level all his own its time you guys realised that there is no such thing as low risk maxiumum whatever Floyd can make any fighter look like a novice.

Just enjoy the man and his final 5 fights and praise him.

I praise you, onetwo

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Geurrero is a 6 time title holder

Are we counting interim titles now?

khan fits the bill of low risk, high reward, he's not a viable opponent yet but will be sometime in next 2 years.

garcia is another one that if he keeps on winning could be an option and he can negotiate a lot easier with goldenboy than toprank.

if he's ever gonna fight alvarez the sooner the better as canelo's looking better with every fight and floyds not getting any younger

i can't see him fighting matthyse or bradley but could see hm fighting brook alexander winner

I haven't really decided where I stand on Floyd fighting or not fighting canelo. I don't think it'll ever happen, and I think canelo has pretty much out grown light middle either way. Id he missed weight for trout, had to lose 1 1/2lb an hour after weigh in, which is a fight he must have been incredibly motivated for. I think he'd be best off calling out Martinez.

I think Floyd will fight, Garcia, khan, Alexander must all be in the frame and I think Ortiz is a great shout from Manos. If broner gets past mallinaggi he becomes legitimate. Unfortunately Rios and Bradley are ruled out due to being top rank.

One two, if Floyd fights twice a year, I'll be happy regardless of opposition, all will be preapproved by Showtime, so it'll be the best of welter/light welter at least. And the fact that he has the ability to make them all look like novices, is just a bonus.
Personally of the realistic possibilities id most like to see khan and broner in with him. Or hey khan v broner would be a good fight.

devon alexander or paulie malinaggi are more likely in my opinion- both champions and low risk fights. also i bet khan gets a shot, and wouldn't be suprised if floyd vs manny was finally made either.

There was a time when I thought khan's speed might trouble him. But that was probably after khan fought judah. Now all I could see khan doing is hitting his shoulder until he gets caught with a big right.
Id love to see mallinaggi for the promotion alone, he's tearing strips off broner, for being mini me. I thought broner might stand some chance in slaggin mallinaggi, but mallinaggi is right once broner goes off script, he's got nothing.

Strongback wrote:I can't see Floyd changing his low risk policy at this stage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's only fighting to put money in his pension. He blew a lot of money though the years and ran up a big tax bill. His stint in jail might also have made him think about his future a bit more. Minimum risk maximum return.

Justy beaten the p4p number 8.....what a Knob.

Give over Truss. This fight was never going to be anything other than a walkover for Floyd.

I think Alexander is the best bet. Low risk and for 30 million quid is a very easy nights work.

Bearing in mind promoter politics, etc...

1) Alexander, late 2013, routine win, wiiiiide on points, dismal PPV figures, Floyd doesn't care, he's already sorted his paycheck out.

2) Khan - early summer 2014, in Vegas despite the press stuff, Golden Boy realise it makes sense to feed Amir to Floyd now rather than let some nobody end his career, routine win by mid-rounds stoppage.

3) Trout, catchweight, back end of 2014, routine win, dullsville, points.

4) Garcia - early summer 2015, one-sided win, but an exciting fight, mid-rounds KO.

5) Alvarez - late 2015, a tougher test, but who's to say Canelo won't have already been beaten by then? Closer points win after a bit of a dust-up.

Having said that, just as likely he gets sent down again and doesn't fulfill his deal. Given his relative inactivity over recent years it's hard seeing him getting five fights in over the next couple of years, tbh.

If the 3rd best active WW is an easy night for Floyd who is not a natural WW, is there anyone who can give him a challenge at WW? Alexander is being written off as credible already.

monzon wrote:Bearing in mind promoter politics, etc...

1) Alexander, late 2013, routine win, wiiiiide on points, dismal PPV figures, Floyd doesn't care, he's already sorted his paycheck out.

2) Khan - early summer 2014, in Vegas despite the press stuff, Golden Boy realise it makes sense to feed Amir to Floyd now rather than let some nobody end his career, routine win by mid-rounds stoppage.

3) Trout, catchweight, back end of 2014, routine win, dullsville, points.

4) Garcia - early summer 2015, one-sided win, but an exciting fight, mid-rounds KO.

5) Alvarez - late 2015, a tougher test, but who's to say Canelo won't have already been beaten by then? Closer points win after a bit of a dust-up.

Having said that, just as likely he gets sent down again and doesn't fulfill his deal. Given his relative inactivity over recent years it's hard seeing him getting five fights in over the next couple of years, tbh.

How old will he be in 2015? Will he still be a LMW? He could be a SMW by then fighting (and losing badly) to Ward.

So are saying Floyd is not a natural WW anymore?!

owen10ozzy wrote:So are saying Floyd is not a natural WW anymore?!

He is a small WW who can easily make 140.

It's crazy...Hagler clears middleweight up and he's a legend.....Mike Spinks clears up lightheavy and he's the third best 175 er of alltime.....None of them beat bar Hearns (who wasn't a middle then) a p4per...........

and Floyd has to go searching abov him for guys to knock him out...

Listen to yourselves..............

If Hagler were fighting now and decided to stay at MW, he would be ripped a new one.

Can't even be bothered to go over all the same ground again, been covered to death these past few days,

All I will say is that ever since boxing came about those who wish to leave behind the greatest legacy have always had to go search out the challenges and take them on to ensure they leave behind the legacy they so wish to have when they hang up the gloves.

No Mayweather doesn't have to go searching above him for guys to knock out...for a start Alvarez isn't above him there in the same freaking weight division...but if he chooses to coast through the final 5 fights on his contract taking on fighters who whilst good do not provide the sternest test out there then he can have no qualms with any detractors he has!

owen10ozzy wrote:Can't even be bothered to go over all the same ground again, been covered to death these past few days,

All I will say is that ever since boxing came about those who wish to leave behind the greatest legacy have always had to go search out the challenges and take them on to ensure they leave behind the legacy they so wish to have when they hang up the gloves.

No Mayweather doesn't have to go searching above him for guys to knock out...for a start Alvarez isn't above him there in the same freaking weight division...but if he chooses to coast through the final 5 fights on his contract taking on fighters who whilst good do not provide the sternest test out there then he can have no qualms with any detractors he has!

And being the best at 4 weights, recognised P4P the very best for a good fews years is not leaving a legacy?

Az, I'm not saying it isn't leaving a legacy. The guy is absolutely incredible, his natural talent leaves any normal person green with envy. He is sublime at every facet of the sport and for me he is perhaps the most naturally gifted athlete to ever lace up the gloves...

As for his record, you can hardly tear it to shreds because it is sublime. But is it good enough for him to be classed as the greatest ever or even top 10...some will argue yes...others will say no. The only way he changes that is by taking on the guy who everyone wants him to face. He missed that chance with Manny Pacquiao. Can he afford to miss it with Saul Alvarez...probably not.

Also I fully realise that were he to take him on and win then there will be people who say 'oh well he was a hype' etc etc...but for every one of those people he will win over 2 or 3 reasonable fans who can look at things objectively.

If he were to stop now he would be in the top 10 for me. Saul will add nothing as he is still a novice and a pure hype job.

azania wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote:Can't even be bothered to go over all the same ground again, been covered to death these past few days,

All I will say is that ever since boxing came about those who wish to leave behind the greatest legacy have always had to go search out the challenges and take them on to ensure they leave behind the legacy they so wish to have when they hang up the gloves.

No Mayweather doesn't have to go searching above him for guys to knock out...for a start Alvarez isn't above him there in the same freaking weight division...but if he chooses to coast through the final 5 fights on his contract taking on fighters who whilst good do not provide the sternest test out there then he can have no qualms with any detractors he has!

And being the best at 4 weights, recognised P4P the very best for a good fews years is not leaving a legacy?

Floyd hasn't fought the biggest challenges out there. That's the reason he gets a hard time. He'd probably win them all but that isn't a reason to not fight them.

azania wrote:If he were to stop now he would be in the top 10 for me. Saul will add nothing as he is still a novice and a pure hype job.

Does RG add anything to this legacy then?

It adds another win. And when looked back it will show that he beat the best available challlenger he hadn't beaten already.

Outside of Pac who rather have more tats that take the test, who has he avoided?

azania wrote:It adds another win. And when looked back it will show that he beat the best available challlenger he hadn't beaten already.

Outside of Pac who rather have more tats that take the test, who has he avoided?

Williams, Margarito, Kosta, Cotto off the top of my head. All are better than Guerrero that's for sure.

He avoided them?

It's not who he has avoided Az,

The problem Mayweathers record has is not the names of the fighters which are on their, it's when he beat them. He didn't take on Cotto when he was campaigning at Welterweight and was arguably touted as the best at the weight between 2006-2008. He also chose to fight Ricky Hatton at Welterweight...when there was no reason he couldn't have fought him at Light-welterweight. Hatton at 147 was essentially a nothing win in enhancing his legacy to a lot of people because it was a weight which he wasn't comfortable at. Now of course Mayweather isn't to blame for Hatton not being effective there but if he had wanted the win to read better on his ledger then he should have taken it at 140 where Hatton was the undisputed number 1.

There is an argument to make that Mayweather has actually never beaten the man at any given weight he has stepped into since beating Corrales/Castillo.

Ricky at Light-Welterweight...Cotto/Margarito at Welterweight when he campaigned there...then Pacman at WW/LW between 2008-2010...and at this moment in time Saul Alvarez at LMW.

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

Come on oz. Hatton was the bigger man in the ring. You're asking Floyd to weight hop in a bad way which is a health rink because you're also losing muscle mass. And then to go up again... Not a healthy option. Moreover Hatton asked for the fight. I dare say Floyd would probably be more comfortable at 140 than 147. Most 147 fighters blow up to 160 come fight night. Floyd hovers around the 150 mark. I believe Hatton was 152 or more.

What seems to be missing here is the top rank/GBP problems which hindered much of the proposed fights.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

As a small welter who can easily make light welter would it not have made more sense to fight Hatton at 140? Or JMM at 140 rather than a catchweight he wouldnt or couldnt make?

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

He is a very shrewd business man motivated by money and possessions. He's not alone, plenty of boxers would do the same.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

Its not idiocy. Its a fair point. Why didnt he fight them?

I can see what your saying Az, but given the fact he has hopped between LMW and WW in recent years I don't see why hopping between LW & WW back then would have been a problem. You said it yourself that Mayweather would probably have been more comfortable at 140 anyway....so why not go down their and take out the guy who dethroned a previous P4P fighter in Kosta Tsyzu at his best weight...that would have been some notch onto his ledger. As it was he beat a fighter who had struggled with Collazo at WW and therefore it was there for all to see that Hatton just wasn't the same when campaigning at 147.

I agree with regards top rank/gbp issues, I think that had a large effect on some of the proposed fights at the time..enough to warrant them not happening im not sure...but blame could be layed at everyones door so I don't buy into this theory that Mayweather ducked anyone per se...he just didn't go out of his way to make them happen. Everyone will have a different opinion as to whether he should have or not...that's essentially what is harming his record because on every other level the guy is a nailed on all time top 5 great.

Floyd fights for money, mainly low risk high reward! It took shane mosley to gatecrash his post fight conference after marquez to get the fight. Regardless of the result with Shane my point is if shane didn't gatecrash the ring that day he would never have got the fight.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

Its not idiocy. Its a fair point. Why didnt he fight them?

Maybe they all avoided Floyd... Or something equally ridiculous.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

He is a very shrewd business man motivated by money and possessions. He's not alone, plenty of boxers would do the same.

And you know he is motivated by money? Oh yes, his nickname. Says it all. I suppose Manny is motivated by video games.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

Its not idiocy. Its a fair point. Why didnt he fight them?

Oscar was the biggest threat to his zero. A much higher risk than all those named. He took the fight.

But lets start calling Floyd a ducker why not.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:Floyd fights for money, mainly low risk high reward! It took shane mosley to gatecrash his post fight conference after marquez to get the fight. Regardless of the result with Shane my point is if shane didn't gatecrash the ring that day he would never have got the fight.

Heaven forbid a professional fighter fighting for money. Why not fight for free to prove himself to the sceptics on 606v2.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

Its not idiocy. Its a fair point. Why didnt he fight them?

Maybe they all avoided Floyd... Or something equally ridiculous.

Nah. Lets stick to the "Floyd ducker" vibes. Far easier.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

He is a very shrewd business man motivated by money and possessions. He's not alone, plenty of boxers would do the same.

And you know he is motivated by money? Oh yes, his nickname. Says it all. I suppose Manny is motivated by video games.

Your Floyd love is a little sad...

He wanders round with tens of thousands if dollars, throwing his money around and talking about how much his chavy watch costs. But you carry on with your inexplicable defence of him.

Love is blind.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:He avoided them?

For one reason or another the fights were not made. I think it is probably because he viewed them as to high risk.

For a fighter that is all front, he possibly may be quite insecure about himself.

OK. Pointless responding to such idiocy any further.

Its not idiocy. Its a fair point. Why didnt he fight them?

Oscar was the biggest threat to his zero. A much higher risk than all those named. He took the fight.

But lets start calling Floyd a ducker why not.

An old Oscar albeit it in semi decent form is most certainly not a bigger threat than any of the aforementioned.