Floyd v Canelo - this Septmeber?

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Just a few days removed from welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s dismantling of interim titleholder Robert Guerrero on Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com on Thursday that he already is working on Mayweather's next fight.

Schaefer said he is hopeful of finalizing a fight between Mayweather, the pound-for-pound king, and unified junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, a match that looms as one of the biggest

"I am working on the fight," Schaefer said. "I'm crunching the numbers. You should see my calculator -- it's red-hot. I am working on a lot of fights, but this is my No. 1 priority."

Schaefer, who promotes Alvarez and works with the 36-year-old Mayweather (44-0, 26 KOs) on a fight-by-fight basis -- but has promoted all seven of his fights since 2007 -- wants to make the fight.

"This is something I am pursuing and I am having conversations with both sides," Schaefer said. "Canelo wants the fight and Floyd has never turned down an opponent."

When Mayweather announced in December that he would fight on May 4, he also said he would fight twice in 2013 with the second date, Sept. 14, back at the MGM Grand. It's an ideal date to face Alvarez, one of Mexico's biggest stars, because it is the weekend of Mexican Independence Day, a traditional weekend for a major fight involving a top Mexican fighter. Mayweather's fights against Victor Ortiz (2011) and Juan Manuel Marquez (2009) were on the same weekend.

Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KOs), 22, cemented his status as the top 154-pounder in the world on April 20 when he outpointed Austin Trout to unify two world titles in front of a sold-out crowd of 39,247 at the Alamodome in San Antonio.

Mayweather has not fought twice in a four-month span since 2003, but reiterated at the news conference after beating Guerrero that he planned to return quickly.

"We're going to be back in September," Mayweather said.

Mayweather has been on talk shows this week also saying he would fight again in September.

The fight would be the second of Mayweather's 30-month deal with Showtime/CBS for up to six fights, which he signed earlier this year after leaving longtime TV home HBO.

One of the key stumbling blocks to making a Mayweather-Alvarez fight, however, will be settling on the weight. Mayweather is the welterweight champion -- 147 pounds -- who has twice won junior middleweight belts but never has weighed more than 151 pounds for either of those 154-pound maximum fights. Alvarez is a big junior middleweight and has said he was not interested in negotiating a catchweight that would require him to fight at a weight lower than 154.

Whomever Mayweather fights in September, Schaefer said he needed to get the fight finalized in the next few weeks in order to launch the promotion properly.

Alvarez initially was supposed to fight Trout on the Mayweather-Guerrero undercard as long as he had a signed deal from Mayweather promising him the next fight, provided he beat Trout and Mayweather beat Guerrero. Mayweather, however, declined to sign the deal and Alvarez-Trout was instead moved to its own card on April 20 and did big business.

I'm sorry Rod but this whole dismissing modern boxers wears a bit thin kid...

If Mayweather beat Klitty you'd find a way to knock him.......and you know it!!

azania wrote:I said pre war. Talk about the 70s if you want. Knock yourself out.

Dempsey - Ali - Klitschko

Your theory things get better in time?

Do you see where I'm getting at ? Or shall I get the big alphabet out for you ?

Don't ignore the point, your theory is inconsistent

Cheers rodders

Consensus is this is the fight boxing fans really want. I don't think Floyd cares too much about legacy, a fight with Canelo will generate some serious dough which Showtime will be demanding after the poor financial performance of the Guerrero fight.

I also wonder if Floyd has blown a lot of his previous earnings and is now putting together a pension fund.

Floyd will be commended if he takes the fight. If he doesn't the cherry picker tag will be planted firmly on his forehead forever.

I don't see why he wouldn't take it as he would be the strong favourite.

Pre war boxing was almost another sport. I described it as no better than ufc stand up. It improved leaps and bounds after that.

azania wrote:Pre war boxing was almost another sport. I described it as no better than ufc stand up. It improved leaps and bounds after that.

azania wrote:Pre war boxing was almost another sport. I described it as no better than ufc stand up. It improved leaps and bounds after that.

Explain yourself why ?

So soon as Ali arrives the whole world of boxing changes and its ok to rate fighters in that era and after.

Garbage mate, complete hot air, just typing something for the sake it!

Goodnight Rodders

Don't worry about it Rodders the kid forgot to take his Ritalin, it's becoming a common occurrence.

Come on now, Willie Pep and his primitive skills would barely scrap today's WBO ratings.....

Why? Just watch them duke it out. It's almost disneyesque. Ok, blame the film foorage where we miss all those cute moves which no one else sees. Look at the stance they adopt. Jack Johnson wouldn't live with Marco Huck. They thought a hook was a fishing implement.

Compared to today those guys were worse than rubbish. In their time they were amazing.

Strongback wrote:Don't worry about it Rodders the kid forgot to take his Ritalin, it's becoming a common occurrence.

Do shut up you fool.

azania wrote:

Strongback wrote:Don't worry about it Rodders the kid forgot to take his Ritalin, it's becoming a common occurrence.

Do shut up you fool.

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

Strongback... My all time favourite youtube clip. I watch it when I need cheering up.

Az, here's the thing. Does it matter how crude they were. These all time great comparisons have to factor in changes in diet, technique etc. You can only ever be the best of your era.

Milky that is my point. When I first mentioned improved techniques diet etc I was laughed at here. Now its agreed. I have said that these guys are great for their time. Time has moved on. Good as they were they couldn't live with the guys today. It's practically a different sport.

milkyboy wrote:Strongback... My all time favourite youtube clip. I watch it when I need cheering up.

There a couple of compilation videos of Bushism on Youtube which beg the question........maybe it really is true he's a lizard!

azania wrote:Milky that is my point. When I first mentioned improved techniques diet etc I was laughed at here. Now its agreed. I have said that these guys are great for their time. Time has moved on. Good as they were they couldn't live with the guys today. It's practically a different sport.

Your hardly setting trends here az. No serious poster would argue with the premise that time moves on. We debated it ad nauseum on the old 606. It's not is the mayweather of today a better pound for pound fighter than Harry greb, its are his achievements p4p better under the circumstances they operated in.

Lets say wlad hammers Dempsey. I'm sure he would. Why people argue with you is that means you'll conclude that Dempsey isn't fit to lace wlad's boots. When the conclusion should be.. If Dempsey were born on the same day as wlad with the same opportunities how would he have fared, and how would their achievements stack up. It's exaggerated with heavies obviously as weight restrictions don't come into it, and dempsey would likely still have been a cruiser if born today.

When you look at, who was most dominant over their contemporaries... Who those contemporaries were, that the US has recently lost its talent pool to other sports, maybe Dempsey had a tougher playing field. But maybe given a world war and flu pandemic he had it easy. It's a thankless task.

I know you know all this, and I actually agree that there are some rose tinted spectacles around here. You like to over egg your pudding on this particular subject, which is why you think you're ploughing a lone furrow matey.

Strongback wrote:

milkyboy wrote:Strongback... My all time favourite youtube clip. I watch it when I need cheering up.

There a couple of compilation videos of Bushism on Youtube which beg the question........maybe it really is true he's a lizard!

He was certainly a poster boy for you've been framed. I find Obama more reptilian though. I'm the only person I know who quite likes dubya. Not sure I'd want him as a president, mind.

Floyd vs Canelo is the premiere fight in the world right no, hope it gets made.

If pacquio wins his next 2 fights then a canlo v manny paquio fight would be right up there.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Jesse Owens beats Usain Bolt..........Sam Snead thrashes Woods......

We get it...Mate.

If Jessie Owens had the benefits of Bolts diet,running shoes, modern track surfaces, training regime, etc then he may have been able to- Given the advances in the fields of sports science I finds it amazing that Bolt's best is only about a second better than the Owens 10.2 seconds recorded nearly 80 years ago. The truth is the sportsmens' skill have actually not really improved anywhere near as we think. The idea that things like defence and combinations are post war inventions is laughable. Read the accounts of those that saw these atheletes rather than relying on the 20 frames a second films, and it's clear that there were many great pre war fighter every bit as skilled as their moderns day equivalents.

I just watch Louis fight and I see how far we've come..

A second is huge in 100m sprinting

manos de piedra wrote:A second is huge in 100m sprinting

It's literally being 10 metres minimum ahead of the opponent...

Very true...........and that massive PED abuser Johnson would strugle to make the final nowadays..

horizontalhero wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Jesse Owens beats Usain Bolt..........Sam Snead thrashes Woods......

We get it...Mate.

If Jessie Owens had the benefits of Bolts diet,running shoes, modern track surfaces, training regime, etc then he may have been able to- Given the advances in the fields of sports science I finds it amazing that Bolt's best is only about a second better than the Owens 10.2 seconds recorded nearly 80 years ago. The truth is the sportsmens' skill have actually not really improved anywhere near as we think. The idea that things like defence and combinations are post war inventions is laughable. Read the accounts of those that saw these atheletes rather than relying on the 20 frames a second films, and it's clear that there were many great pre war fighter every bit as skilled as their moderns day equivalents.

As I figured. Blame the film quality.

They fought in slo mo and sent a 2nd class post before throwing a punch.

manos de piedra wrote:A second is huge in 100m sprinting

I think it is possible that we might see sprinters breaking the 0 (zero) second barrier in a few years time.

If you start talking to them..

Great one trusssssss

haha

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I just watch Louis fight and I see how far we've come..

Boxing still hasn't seen a better puncher than Louis so what are you on about?

Dempsey could punch and so could John L by all accounts.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dempsey could punch and so could John L by all accounts.

Not like Louis............as if you didn't know.

How and why is Louis the best puncher boxing has seen?

Watch some footage and read some books. His greatness in the punching department is never challenged.

So you don't know.

Strongback wrote:Watch some footage and read some books. His greatness in the punching department is never challenged.

I read james Bond..definitely the best secret agent there has ever been.

Greatest combination puncher of all time, greatest finisher in the history of boxing, could throw triple left hooks mixing from body to head with immense power. Shook opponents to their boots with his jab/straight left. Carried dynamite in each hand. Dropped opponents with uppercuts. Simply the greatest boxer puncher that ever lived. Think prime Tyson only better.

You're the one who knows little about the story of boxing. Do some research and give the board a break with your hobby horses sh!te.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Watch some footage and read some books. His greatness in the punching department is never challenged.

I read james Bond..definitely the best secret agent there has ever been.

You can watch the fights for real. There's loads of footage on youtube. Not hard to form an opinion. I'm sure you've watched at least some of them so no need to be disingenuous.

Strongback wrote:Greatest combination puncher of all time, greatest finisher in the history of boxing, could throw triple left hooks mixing from body to head with immense power. Shook opponents to their boots with his jab/straight left. Carried dynamite in each hand. Dropped opponents with uppercuts. Simply the greatest boxer puncher that ever lived. Think prime Tyson only better.

You're the one who knows little about the story of boxing. Do some research and give the board a break with your hobby horses sh!te.

I'm talking heavyweights here and I wont even go near Ali.

Holyfield had superb combinations. Tyson's combos were each loaded with mean intentions. Tyson was a better finisher. Holmes had the far better jab. I'm not surprised Louis shook opponents to their boots when those opponents made the current crop appear ATGs.

I've seen enough of Louis' fights to see that he was average. Certainly couldn't live with the 1970s and 80s lot, let alone the 60s. Average fighter in an average era. Got lucky against a LHW whilst at his absolute peak.Archie would have buried him.

Ring Magazine 20 Greatest Punchers Of all Time

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchell
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson
17. Bob Foster
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Khaosai Galaxy
20. Alexis Arguello


From Cox's: Joe Louis was the most powerful and fastest punching heavyweight boxer in ring history. His great hand speed, especially in combination, was awesome to behold. He had a powerful jab, threw every punch perfectly and with wasteless accuracy. His right cross, thrown short and straight, was sheer dynamite. The "Brown Bomber" never ducked anyone as his record 25 title defenses attests to. Of those 25 successful defenses, 21 were won by knockout, 17 of those were ten counts! 5 in the first round! He also knocked out six men who held the Heavyweight Championship of the World. From 1934 to 1949, when he first retired as champion, his record was 60-1 with 51 knockouts. He held the Heavyweight Championship for a record of nearly 12 years.



Article on Greatest Combination Punchers of all Time: http://www.boxing.com/the_15_greatest_composite_punchers_of_all_time.html

15 – Sonny Liston
14– Alexis Arguello
13 – Stanley Ketchel
12 – Earnie Shavers
11 – Julian Jackson
10 – Sandy Saddler
9 – Roy Jones Jr.
8 – Henry Armstrong
7 – Tommy Hearns
6 – Bob Foster
5 – Mike Tyson
4 – Sam Langford
3 – Bob Fitzsimmons
2 – Sugar Ray Robinson
1 – Joe Louis

“It ain’t like a punch. It’s like someone nailed you with a crowbar. I thought half my head was blowed off. I figured he caved it in. After he hit me I couldn’t even feel if it was there.”—James J. Braddock

“God how that man can hit. I can’t remember anything after the first knockdown.”—Johnny Paycheck.

“You’d take one shot from him and you were sure he’d have seven or eight more coming for you.”—George Foreman

“Joe Louis uncovers dynamite.”—Richard Wright

“I was worried he would break someone’s neck.”—Arthur Donovan

“He hit me eighteen times as I was in the act of falling.”—Max Baer

Joe Louis is my choice for the #1 spot. As capable a combination puncher as ever lived, his hands were lightning, devastatingly accurate, he punched with huge power and maximum economy. A superb counterpuncher but one who could force the attack with horrifying results, Louis ticks every single box required to be named the greatest composite puncher of all time.



Watch this video, watch Louis knock out guys bigger than Wlad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PpR12yaRs



There's a little bit of homework for you. If you TROLL around me again I'll make you pay for it.

Strongback wrote:Ring Magazine 20 Greatest Punchers Of all Time

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchell
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson
17. Bob Foster
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Khaosai Galaxy
20. Alexis Arguello


From Cox's: Joe Louis was the most powerful and fastest punching heavyweight boxer in ring history. His great hand speed, especially in combination, was awesome to behold. He had a powerful jab, threw every punch perfectly and with wasteless accuracy. His right cross, thrown short and straight, was sheer dynamite. The "Brown Bomber" never ducked anyone as his record 25 title defenses attests to. Of those 25 successful defenses, 21 were won by knockout, 17 of those were ten counts! 5 in the first round! He also knocked out six men who held the Heavyweight Championship of the World. From 1934 to 1949, when he first retired as champion, his record was 60-1 with 51 knockouts. He held the Heavyweight Championship for a record of nearly 12 years.



Article on Greatest Combination Punchers of all Time: http://www.boxing.com/the_15_greatest_composite_punchers_of_all_time.html

15 – Sonny Liston
14– Alexis Arguello
13 – Stanley Ketchel
12 – Earnie Shavers
11 – Julian Jackson
10 – Sandy Saddler
9 – Roy Jones Jr.
8 – Henry Armstrong
7 – Tommy Hearns
6 – Bob Foster
5 – Mike Tyson
4 – Sam Langford
3 – Bob Fitzsimmons
2 – Sugar Ray Robinson
1 – Joe Louis

“It ain’t like a punch. It’s like someone nailed you with a crowbar. I thought half my head was blowed off. I figured he caved it in. After he hit me I couldn’t even feel if it was there.”—James J. Braddock

“God how that man can hit. I can’t remember anything after the first knockdown.”—Johnny Paycheck.

“You’d take one shot from him and you were sure he’d have seven or eight more coming for you.”—George Foreman

“Joe Louis uncovers dynamite.”—Richard Wright

“I was worried he would break someone’s neck.”—Arthur Donovan

“He hit me eighteen times as I was in the act of falling.”—Max Baer

Joe Louis is my choice for the #1 spot. As capable a combination puncher as ever lived, his hands were lightning, devastatingly accurate, he punched with huge power and maximum economy. A superb counterpuncher but one who could force the attack with horrifying results, Louis ticks every single box required to be named the greatest composite puncher of all time.



Watch this video, watch Louis knock out guys bigger than Wlad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PpR12yaRs



There's a little bit of homework for you. If you TROLL around me again I'll make you pay for it.

On the other thread all were criticising Ring for its rankings.

What constitutes a great puncher?

Joe Louis was the most powerful and fastest punching heavyweight boxer in ring history

Bolox

It says he's never ducked anyone. Neither has Wlad. Neither did Ali. Pity Joe didn't duck when Two Ton decked him. Or when the plodding ZRocky slapped him.

That is the New Ring DUMMY.......do you try to be this dense?

Pop a few more ritalin gobsh!te and strap yourself in because this is going to get dirty.

New Ring? Like New Labour? Same crap different clothes?

That list is a nonsense. He was fighting stiffs and w@nkers who trained in the boozer.

Ent wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:A second is huge in 100m sprinting

It's literally being 10 metres minimum ahead of the opponent...

Apologies for being pedantic, but Bolt in 2012 ran 9.63. only 0.57 seconds faster than Owen in 1936. That an improvement of less than 0.1 of a second per decade, and that Owen would still be finish respectably in 2012 final.
I find it interesting that the likes of Eddy Futch and Ray Arcel , who saw both Ali and Louis in the flesh find it had to pick a winner between them , yet Truss and Az can watch Louis on poor quality film, and dismiss him so easily.

Imagine if they had PED's in 1936.

Also they were running on cinder back in the day. I believe Bob Hayes ran 10.00 on conder which is phenominal.

azania wrote:New Ring? Like New Labour? Same crap different clothes?

That list is a nonsense. He was fighting stiffs and w@nkers who trained in the boozer.

Again demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge. The Ring magazine changed owner and is now seriously compromised.


Everybody is wrong except Az. No kid you're the one marching out of step kid but you don't seem to notice.

You're also a woeful troll, you copy all of Trussy lines except you don't have the septics sense of humour.

I find it interesting that the likes of Eddy Futch and Ray Arcel , who saw both Ali and Louis in the flesh find it had to pick a winner between them , yet Truss and Az can watch Louis on poor quality film, and dismiss him so easily.

Arcel made some wild claims in the past. Why blame the films? I've seen films of SRR in the 50s and he looked great. Louis always looked plodding and asked his corner before he threw a punch. Glorified Bruno.

Strongback wrote:

azania wrote:New Ring? Like New Labour? Same crap different clothes?

That list is a nonsense. He was fighting stiffs and w@nkers who trained in the boozer.

Again demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge. The Ring magazine changed owner and is now seriously compromised.


Everybody is wrong except Az. No kid you're the one marching out of step kid but you don't seem to notice.

You're also a woeful troll, you copy all of Trussy lines except you don't have the septics sense of humour.

Deary me. I have seen Louis fight. He doesn't look great. I saw the Schmelling KO and Max was holding the ropes giving Joe some free hits. He missed many and those he landed couldn't put him away until the cumulative effect of unanswered punches took its toll. Watch it for yourself. Max holding the top rope with one hand, looking to the canvas and free hits for Louis. Louis missed many punches.

azania wrote:

Strongback wrote:

azania wrote:New Ring? Like New Labour? Same crap different clothes?

That list is a nonsense. He was fighting stiffs and w@nkers who trained in the boozer.

Again demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge. The Ring magazine changed owner and is now seriously compromised.


Everybody is wrong except Az. No kid you're the one marching out of step kid but you don't seem to notice.

You're also a woeful troll, you copy all of Trussy lines except you don't have the septics sense of humour.

Deary me. I have seen Louis fight. He doesn't look great. I saw the Schmelling KO and Max was holding the ropes giving Joe some free hits. He missed many and those he landed couldn't put him away until the cumulative effect of unanswered punches took its toll. Watch it for yourself. Max holding the top rope with one hand, looking to the canvas and free hits for Louis. Louis missed many punches.

One of those punches cracked Schmelling vertebra , so if nothing else, he could definitely punch!