Burns v Gonzalez

by **Seanusarrilius** Fri 10 May 2013, 5:33 pm

First topic message reminder :

I don't know too much about Gonzalez, but think Burns should be good for a pts victory in this one. What do you guys think?

by CaledonianCraig Sun 12 May 2013, 12:10 am

PPVxHOTTY wrote:One thing ive learnt from this Burns fight is Vazquez will beat him convincingly. at the time I didn't think much into it my mate mentioned it but was this fight rigged?

As has already been said here why would it have been rigged then Burns tak a heck of a lot of early punishment and made to look poor? After all if it was a fix the way to do it is to make the winner look even more impressive by not offering much resistance and taking an early dive.

by manos de piedra Sun 12 May 2013, 12:12 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:He had to use his legs and upper body to ensure Burns didnt land much so it wasnt exactly a rest. He was expending up the little remaining energy he had.

In terms of a boxing fight it was an 8 minute rest basically.

So what? He wasnt gaining any energy from those 8 minutes. He was simply not expending as much as he had been previously. Even moving around the ring trying to avoid Burns was using up energy he didnt have.

by PPVxHOTTY Sun 12 May 2013, 12:12 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
PPVxHOTTY wrote:One thing ive learnt from this Burns fight is Vazquez will beat him convincingly. at the time I didn't think much into it my mate mentioned it but was this fight rigged?

As has already been said here why would it have been rigged then Burns tak a heck of a lot of early punishment and made to look poor? After all if it was a fix the way to do it is to make the winner look even more impressive by not offering much resistance and taking an early dive.

Fair point was just a thought and I guess he just gassed out

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 12:12 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
PPVxHOTTY wrote:One thing ive learnt from this Burns fight is Vazquez will beat him convincingly. at the time I didn't think much into it my mate mentioned it but was this fight rigged?

As has already been said here why would it have been rigged then Burns tak a heck of a lot of early punishment and made to look poor? After all if it was a fix the way to do it is to make the winner look even more impressive by not offering much resistance and taking an early dive.

Matchroom underestimate him, realise their fighter is getting slapped about and take 2/3 round to get the message to gonzales?

by PPVxHOTTY Sun 12 May 2013, 12:13 am

PPVxHOTTY wrote:Chelo 'Gonzalez' is a massive puncher and Billy Nelson (Burns' trainer) says he fancies Burns to stop Gonzalez so it should be an exciting fight, I think decision will be more likely. Gonzalez hasn't really faced a fighter who could seriously stand up to him up until now, so it is very hard to tell what his weaknesses might be. He comes straight forward without a lot of head movement. He's right there to be hit, and a sturdy opponent who can hit and move and turn him at an angle might give him a lot of problems. He may have more wrinkles to his game than he's shown so far. This is his first time fighting away from his native Island, in front of a partisan crowd, is a heck of a time to have to find them.

After this 'if Burns wins' Burns and Vasquez (although I would like to see it) could be a bit of a technical snooze-fest so the Abril fight could be the best bet for an exciting unification.

Pretty much summed Chelo up nicely by myself Very Happy

, credit to myself lol.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 12:14 am

manos de piedra wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:He had to use his legs and upper body to ensure Burns didnt land much so it wasnt exactly a rest. He was expending up the little remaining energy he had.

In terms of a boxing fight it was an 8 minute rest basically.

So what? He wasnt gaining any energy from those 8 minutes. He was simply not expending as much as he had been previously. Even moving around the ring trying to avoid Burns was using up energy he didnt have.

In terms of boxing it was an '8' minute rest.

If you are out jogging and then you stop jogging and start walking is that not a rest? of course it is just the same as if you are in a boxing match and you stop punching and you stop being punched.

by CaledonianCraig Sun 12 May 2013, 12:15 am

Hmm two to three Rounds okay so why was round 4,5 and 6 still won by Gonzalez. Quit clutching at straws eh?

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 12:17 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Hmm two to three Rounds okay so why was round 4,5 and 6 still won by Gonzalez. Quit clutching at straws eh?

if it was fixed then it would have been after the 7th that they would have asked him to quit.

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 12:18 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Hmm two to three Rounds okay so why was round 4,5 and 6 still won by Gonzalez. Quit clutching at straws eh?

if it was fixed then it would have been after the 7th that they would have asked him to quit.

Delay in getting message to him...

by CaledonianCraig Sun 12 May 2013, 12:18 am

Oh right so now it wasn't two to three rounds it was seven rounds....errr okay. A bit of an odd time anyway as Burns had probably his best round in the 7th.

by PPVxHOTTY Sun 12 May 2013, 12:19 am

All in all credit to Burns and he should learn from this fight, I believe Abril or Vazquez will be a stern test and I can pretty much guarantee they wont quit, so he mustn't underestimate his future opponents.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 12:22 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Oh right so now it wasn't two to three rounds it was seven rounds....errr okay. A bit of an odd time anyway as Burns had probably his best round in the 7th.

Burns got smacked around in the 7th and was lucky to not get KO'd

but Gonzalez quit at the 10th so 2 rounds after the 7th = the 10th Smile

by manos de piedra Sun 12 May 2013, 12:23 am

It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

by PPVxHOTTY Sun 12 May 2013, 12:24 am

it was 9th round not 10th

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 12:26 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Oh right so now it wasn't two to three rounds it was seven rounds....errr okay. A bit of an odd time anyway as Burns had probably his best round in the 7th.

He was nearly knocked out in the 7th, Matchroom realise he isn't going to turn it round - send a message down it gets to the corner during the 9th and hey presto he quits on his stool at that point...

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 12:28 am

manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

by **Seanusarrilius** Sun 12 May 2013, 12:30 am

Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

nobody is paying a million quid for a dive. Get real. Burns isn't exactly a Mayweatheresque draw, is he. If you're going to pick a number for a dive, make it believeable
Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

by PPVxHOTTY Sun 12 May 2013, 12:34 am

BBC reporting Chelo retired because of 'damages left wrist'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22498775

by Dr Gregory House MD Sun 12 May 2013, 12:35 am

Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

So trustworthy that they decided to rig a fight half way through?

WHat you're saying is not out with the realms of possiblity but Gonzalez was out on his feet by the end of the 8th and had 3 more rounds to go with a hard hitting world champ who took his best and kept coming, I think you're seeing hoof prints and thinking zebras

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 12:37 am

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

So trustworthy that they decided to rig a fight half way through?

WHat you're saying is not out with the realms of possiblity but Gonzales was out on his feet by the end of the 8th and had 3 more rounds to go with a hard hitting world champ who took his best and kept coming, I think you're seeing hoof prints and thinking zebras

I wouldn't call ricky burns hard hitting. He had 10 Ko's in 37 fights which is not hard hitting.

by djlovesyou Sun 12 May 2013, 12:40 am

Think a couple of people had bets on Gonzalez and had already spent their winnings by the sounds of it.

by Dr Gregory House MD Sun 12 May 2013, 12:42 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

So trustworthy that they decided to rig a fight half way through?

WHat you're saying is not out with the realms of possiblity but Gonzales was out on his feet by the end of the 8th and had 3 more rounds to go with a hard hitting world champ who took his best and kept coming, I think you're seeing hoof prints and thinking zebras

I wouldn't call ricky burns hard hitting. He had 10 Ko's in 37 fights which is not hard hitting.

Ok perhaps hard hitting was a slight exagerration but 10 in 37 is still a guy who has the potential to hurt you, did he not mess Nicky Cook's back up pretty good a one point as well?

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 12:44 am

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

So trustworthy that they decided to rig a fight half way through?

WHat you're saying is not out with the realms of possiblity but Gonzalez was out on his feet by the end of the 8th and had 3 more rounds to go with a hard hitting world champ who took his best and kept coming, I think you're seeing hoof prints and thinking zebras

If a team approach you and say we will pay you this amount for a fight under these conditions and they pay it why wouldn't you trust them midight?

by manos de piedra Sun 12 May 2013, 12:52 am

You sign a contract when you sign up for a fight. Its legally enforceable and within the law. Its nothing like trusting someone to come good on a massive 7 figure bribe that you cant enforce under law.

The very fact someone is willing to offer you a bribe in the first place should raise doubts over their trustworthyness or willingness to actually pay it. Especially if you are talking 1 million quid. The team would have to stupid to accept the bribe and Hearn would have to be stupid to pay it. Why would he pay out a million quid to them? What are the going to do about it if he doesnt pay? What can they do?

by Dr Gregory House MD Sun 12 May 2013, 1:00 am

Ent wrote:
Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Ent wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:It doesnt make any sense. Gonzales beat him confortably for 7 rounds. In the 7th he almost had him out of their. So Matchroom couldnt have got any message to him before then.

Why would a team on the verge of winning a world title agree to quit for the "promise" of a bribe from a rival promoter? What is their insurance? 10 minutes from a world title and the door to some big fights and paydays down the line and they just opt to throw it away on the word of a another promoter and trust he will pay them a bribe with no way to enforcing it? No money up front. Nothing. Just a desperate promise from a promoter who is about to lose? They would have to be thick. Not to mention the difficulty in actually convey these secret messages in packed out hall with cameras all around the ring.

On top of that you actually have the tell tale signs of a fighter who has just punched himself out. An exhausting, energing expending round from a fighter who had never made it into the championship rounds before and was used to his power getting rid of his opponents. Followed by two more rounds of low work rate and significantly reduced workrate and a corner massaging his legs desperately.

Presumably Matchroom had offered decent cash for the fight and were trustworthy promoters to negotiate with.

Burns may have won round 8 and won round 9, there was literally no reason for gonsales to quit on his stool, this is all very fishy to me - matchroom have very lucrative unification fights lined up too, well worth a million quid for a dive.

So trustworthy that they decided to rig a fight half way through?

WHat you're saying is not out with the realms of possiblity but Gonzalez was out on his feet by the end of the 8th and had 3 more rounds to go with a hard hitting world champ who took his best and kept coming, I think you're seeing hoof prints and thinking zebras

If a team approach you and say we will pay you this amount for a fight under these conditions and they pay it why wouldn't you trust them midight?

Out of the two payments one would have been legal and above board, the other one would have been clearly illegal and would have to have been done quickly and probably through some patsy as to avoid arousing suspicion, it would also have been a massive credability dent to Hearns team if the offer was refused and he was subsequently outed, Burns isn't even his biggest star, is he really worth the risk?

Also if you are saying this took place between rounds, That would give them roughtly 60 seconds for Hearn to decide they were going to go for the bride, to find someone to approach Gonzalez team, for it to be relayed to the trainers who accept it without question, then to the fighter who accepts it without question, all in a cramped arena full of tv cameras without arousing an suspecion.

All signs IMO, point to a fighter who had shot his wad in the 7th and was struggling from there on in, the fact he quit was a surprise and I honestly don't think Burns deserved to win that fight, but signs suggest tiredness and lack of desire to tough it out rather than skull-duggery.

You're entitled to your opinion and it isn't totally outwith the realms of possibility, especially in boxing given its long history of underhand dealings, but again I think you are seeing hoof prints and thinking Zebras.

by spencerclarke Sun 12 May 2013, 1:39 am

Nice to see the football only fans have come over to claim foul play. Yes it was a strange finish but he did seem out on his feet. He just didnt have the balls for it, no fix. Burns got his tactics wrong but at the end of the day he won. Mark it down as an off night and move on. Enjoyable watch though

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 12 May 2013, 1:46 am

FreekShow wrote:Something is definitely aloof here.

Bahahaha.

Sorry that just made me crack up as it was so incongrous amidst the tone of the surrounding posts

by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 1:54 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Something is definitely aloof here.

Bahahaha.

Sorry that just made me crack up as it was so incongrous amidst the tone of the surrounding posts

What a fantastic word.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 12 May 2013, 2:19 am

Oops

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 2:58 am

I have just contacted the police to inform them that the fight was fied in my eyes.

by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 3:08 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:I have just contacted the police to inform them that the fight was fied in my eyes.

What did they say?

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 12 May 2013, 3:36 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVZ4QKAShAw

just rewatched round 9 and i cannot see why Gonzalez would quit. Burns landed nothing in that round and I mean nothing. I seriously am confused by him quitting.

It has to be something to do with his right hand as his coach was holding it during the 1 minute break but his coach looked so annoyed when Gonzalez told the ref he was quitting.

Gonzalez obviously hurt his wrist punching Burns and his coach told him to continue but Gonalez decided not to. Very strange decision and Burns got off lucky.

by mobilemaster8 Sun 12 May 2013, 4:32 am

Odd fight. Very odd.

Firstly, I don't think anyone has heard of Gonzalez prior to this evening, not even Burns.

No real footage, undefeated power puncher with no supposed pedigree.

Errr how wrong everyone was.

Burns was utterly outclassed rounds 1-7.

Had burns all over the place and boxed his head off.

Thn randomly he quits?

No apparent injury, wasn't hurt, was winning by a hell of a lot.....yes he was tired after having smashed burns face all 3 minutes of round 7, but my god.

Something is not right here.

An underdog nobody heard of and it backfired.....pay him off into the sunset, Burns stays champ and gets bigger paydays.

Unfortunate world we live in.

by ONETWOFOREVER Sun 12 May 2013, 5:37 am

He hurt his wrist???

Hay I love a good conspiracy theory but thats just crazy.

by davidemore Sun 12 May 2013, 6:19 am

Not seen it, how was Ricky???

by Ent Sun 12 May 2013, 8:02 am

davidemore wrote:Not seen it, how was Ricky???

Sore from getting punched in the face for 7 rounds.

by OasisBFC Sun 12 May 2013, 8:55 am

haha, you lot make me laugh.
eddie hearn offering a million for gonzalez to quit mid fight?

I'd LOVE to see you lot try and punch something with a severely injured wrist/hand.
if it was properly injured he wouldn't be able to defend himself properly, or even move without being in pain, let alone punch.

by spencerclarke Sun 12 May 2013, 9:02 am

Finally a bit of sense. It seems many are convinced that eddie hearn would risk everything fixing one fight despite the fact he has a huge stable of fighters. Suprised noone has thrown in the nicky cook fight though to support themselves

by **superflyweight** Sun 12 May 2013, 9:25 am

Where have all the mouth breathing conspiracy theorists come from?

Looked a clear case of a fighter running out of gas and not fancying another 3 rounds of pressure from Burns.

At the end of the 9th I had Burns 3 rounds down. If he had gone on to win the last, 3 he would have got the draw.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 12 May 2013, 9:27 am

bit biased there superflyweight i had him 12 rounds down after the first round. So its probably a fix

by **superflyweight** Sun 12 May 2013, 9:33 am

That's cause you're South American, shah!

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 12 May 2013, 9:42 am

(I'm not really, I only tell people that so I get probed at the airport)

by Duty281 Sun 12 May 2013, 10:02 am

What an odd fight. Gonzalez schooled Burns for 6 rounds, the very art of hit and not be hit, Gonzalez was so slippery. Then a massive seventh round seemed to tire Gonzalez as he couldn't quite finish the job. 2 more rounds of not much, then Gonzalez quit. I hear it was a wrist injury, surely he could have got through 3 more rounds?

by KingMonkey Sun 12 May 2013, 10:07 am

Anyone seen the fight report in Ring magazine. Beggars belief.

by mckay1402 Sun 12 May 2013, 10:13 am

KingMonkey wrote:Anyone seen the fight report in Ring magazine. Beggars belief.

whoever wrote that did not watch the fight

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sun 12 May 2013, 10:22 am

The idea that Hearn paid him off is just ludicrous, imo Gonzales just lost his bottle

A lot was made of how he was inexperienced and had never fought at that level and I think that showed last night. Bossing the fight easily and was 6-3 up on all the judges scorecards, but got "injured" and quit. That was probabaly the first time he got injured and didn't know what to do, he didnt have the heart for it

Boxers injure themselves all the time, and fighters like Mayweather, Martinez, Malignaggi and Donaire injure their hands every fight and continue and lot of other boxers carry on

If he was getting beaten pillar to post and couldn't win then by all means stop, but burns was struggling badly and Gonzales wasn't hurt once in the 2 rounds Gonzales took off so its not hard to assume that he could have done the same for the remaining rounds

If he hung on he could have won a world title, something he was miles away from doing before the burns fight. If he got a draw then he then could have said he injured his wrist and the would probabaly get a rematch and a even bigger purse

Never really rated Burns too highly, though that he is just too Rigid and by basing his defence around blocking, your eventually going to find somewhat who is going to be too tricky for him to get off. Didn't think it was going to be Gonzales, but I though Vasquez would beat him when that fight was announced and that Broner would beat him easily

by Duty281 Sun 12 May 2013, 12:10 pm

KingMonkey wrote:Anyone seen the fight report in Ring magazine. Beggars belief.

One of the worst things I have ever read.

by manos de piedra Sun 12 May 2013, 12:19 pm

Wow, Eddie must have paid have paid off the Ring as well as Gonzales....

by Strongback Sun 12 May 2013, 12:41 pm

It's clear Gonzalez got the instructions wrong........he was bribed to let Burns batter him and then fall over in the 7th but he got the instructions arse about face.

There's no way Eddie gives the Gonzales team the promised £1,000,000 under the counter payment after what they did.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 12 May 2013, 12:45 pm

I think I would laugh so so much if it really did turn out to be a fix and eddie hearn got barred from boxing and had to disband his stable. All that work for nothing and ruined for the megastar power of ricky burns future earning potential.

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