Burns Gonzalez - Contains Spoilers

What made gonzalez quit. He was winning 7/9 rounds before he quit and rounds 8 & 9 he seemed to just take off dancing around the ring and Burns never landed anything. So why did he quit?

1) was he paid to quit halfway through the fight?

2) was it his hand injury?

3) stamina issues?

I cannot understand why he quit. If it was his hand injury then all he had to do was dance around the ring like he had done in rounds 8 &9 and he would win on points.

I don't think it was stamina issues because he had taken rounds 8 & 9 off so surely he had recovered from round 7. Also if you are winning by as wide a margin as he was then you would just carry on. Weirdest reason ever if he quit because he was tired.

Some people are saying he bottled it cos he feared Burn's might attack him big in the last 3 rounds, but Burn's had done nothing that whole fight to show he could trouble Gonzalez, Gonzalez took very little damage. Even in round 7 Burns landed maybe 3 big punches max.

Thanks for that - hadn't seen the fight. Next time put "Spoilers" in the title.

Mr Bounce wrote:Thanks for that - hadn't seen the fight. Next time put "Spoilers" in the title.

To be honest if you are on a boxing forum straight after a big fight then you should expect to see results etc. next time avoid boxing forums if you want to avoid knowing results.

I'd say a combination of two and three coupled with a questionable heart. He wasn't prepared to go through the pain barrier to reach his end goal.

Burns looked so limited in this fight. Gonzalez was a massive underdog and Burns only won because Gonzalez got tired punching ricky burns in the face.

Reminds me of the simpsons where homer becomes a boxer and won all his fights because he let his opponents punch him in the head until they got tired and quit.

Or did Burns look so limited because Gonzalez was so good? Even the experienced eye of Jim Watt was suitably impressed by him. Sure Burns was poor but he showed the heart to hang in there and take a beating and come back into it and begin to turn it around. At least that trait deserves credit.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Or did Burns look so limited because Gonzalez was so good? Even the experienced eye of Jim Watt was suitably impressed by him. Sure Burns was poor but he showed the heart to hang in there and take a beating and come back into it and begin to turn it around. At least that trait deserves credit.

Did he rally turn it around though? rounds 7 and 8 he won but only because Gonzalez threw 0 punches. Burns landed nothing and was missing all his punches.

I think it was Stamina Issues, even if he did have a broken wrist he could have boxed with one hand, even in the rounds where he did nothing but move around burns couldn't catch him.

Paid off, someone went to his corner around round 6 and offered him 7 figures, then he quit.

Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

From what I remember he landed nothing. yes of course he landed a few jabs or a few punches that were blocked but thats all i remember. Will watch again in the morning.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

He still would have lost.

Ent wrote:Paid off, someone went to his corner around round 6 and offered him 7 figures, then he quit.

Would be interesting if there was video footage that could prove this.

its true, if it carried on that way Burn would have won the rest of the rounds, but that said aslong as he didn't get knocked down, Gonzales still could have won the fight, 7-5

Gonzales already had 7 rounds on my card so needed at least 2 knockdowns to get a draw and he want close to being stopped

Burns was throwing lots but nothing was landing and Gonzales managed to avoid him for 2 rounds pretty easily so could have done for the remaining 3

Ent wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

He still would have lost.

Ent you wouldn't be Frank Warren by any chance or English as you do seem mighty bitter about things.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:Gonzales already had 7 rounds on my card so needed at least 2 knockdowns to get a draw and he want close to being stopped

Burns was throwing lots but nothing was landing and Gonzales managed to avoid him for 2 rounds pretty easily so could have done for the remaining 3

My thoughts exactly. Him quitting the fight is just so weird.

Watching the fight I can come to no other conclusion.

I just can't think a puerto Rican boxer who literally just needs to survive for 9 minutes to win a world title and become a famous multi millionaire quits on his stool.

I can buy taking a knee and not continuing in 10, but seriously on his stool minimum 5 round up with 3 to go....

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Ent wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

He still would have lost.

Ent you wouldn't be Frank Warren by any chance or English as you do seem mighty bitter about things.

Mate I was supporting Burns but facts are facts, he was losing the fight, ok he was beginning to turn it around, but even at that rate he was tat far behind he still would have lost

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Ent wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Sorry but he did land punches. Look again. Okay not extra special ones but he did land and so yes he had turned it around. The way the fight was going only Burns was going to win the remainder of the rounds.

He still would have lost.

Ent you wouldn't be Frank Warren by any chance or English as you do seem mighty bitter about things.

Irish and the first time I've seen Burns fight, he got slapped around, it's very fishy.

its nothing fishy though he jus didn't have enough in the tank

No I am not denying that Mak but read all of Ent's posts on the subject and there is a lot of needless bitterness there. We all know Burns got lucky here but what Ent is saying makes very little sense and is akin to labelling Burns a cheat which is out of order.

CaledonianCraig wrote:No I am not denying that Mak but read all of Ent's posts on the subject and there is a lot of needless bitterness there. We all know Burns got lucky here but what Ent is saying makes very little sense and is akin to labelling Burns a cheat which is out of order.

Won't label anyone who is brave enough to get in the ring a cheat, suggesting his corner/promoter realised he was about to be as useful as a chocolate teapot for making money and intervened.

No doubt he'd slap me about with no hands, he still lost tonight and isn't a genuine world champion,

Still that bitterness you see.

Andy by the way are you picking up your winnings on Gonzalez tomorrow if Burns lost tonight?

My mistake Craig, Burns definitely didn't cheat but cant blame Ent for thinking that way as we do know things like this can happen.

I personally thought the Choi vs Simpson fight was a fix, I had Choi ahead by 2 yet the way jim watt and judges had it I was asking my self are they drunk or am I sleepy? I think that fight was fishy

CaledonianCraig wrote:Still that bitterness you see.

Andy by the way are you picking up your winnings on Gonzalez tomorrow if Burns lost tonight?

hate to break it to you but English people don't have a rivalry with scots.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Still that bitterness you see.

Andy by the way are you picking up your winnings on Gonzalez tomorrow if Burns lost tonight?

Don't bet, it's a mugs game.

Also think Simpson won despite Choi dominating early on.

I just can't buy a serious professional from a fighting nation bailing out with 9 minutes to go when he was at minimum 5 rounds ahead and unhurt.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Still that bitterness you see.

Andy by the way are you picking up your winnings on Gonzalez tomorrow if Burns lost tonight?

hate to break it to you but English people don't have a rivalry with scots.

Also I'm not English (thankfully)...

Ent wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Still that bitterness you see.

Andy by the way are you picking up your winnings on Gonzalez tomorrow if Burns lost tonight?

hate to break it to you but English people don't have a rivalry with scots.

Also I'm not English (thankfully)...

don't worry about him, he is just an angry little scotsman who thinks every english person hates scottish people. You criticising burns represents to him you criticising scotland and that makes him angry.

If you're going to post something that contains information about the result then 1) dont put it in the title and 2) put spoiler alert in the title as well. We have a fight thread for discussion about whats happening on the night so people who are watching it later know not to look in there. Simple respect for fellow posters.

He quit because he didnt have enough heart. He couldnt get ricky out of there with his best shots and didnt know what else to do. You could see his legs had lost all movement. He had points in the bag but I believe burns would have got him out of here in the last couple of rounds. No conspiracy theory.its a twelve round fight and he wasnt fit enough.

spencerclarke wrote:He quit because he didnt have enough heart. He couldnt get ricky out of there with his best shots and didnt know what else to do. You could see his legs had lost all movement. He had points in the bag but I believe burns would have got him out of here in the last couple of rounds. No conspiracy theory.its a twelve round fight and he wasnt fit enough.

this pretty much, I had it 87-84, 6-3, Could not see a way Gonz was going to win another round, his legs were completely gone, few solid body shots would have made him fold

What's with all the conspiracy theories? It's simple, Gonzalez ran out of gas by round 7, he punched himself out trying to get Burns out of there early on round 7. That, coupled with his wrist injury, meant he felt he couldn't do the final 3 rounds. Not hard to believe either, Gonzalez has never gone further than 10 rounds in his boxing career according to Boxrec, and he's only gone 10 rounds once. He wasn't fit enough. Simple.

On and looking at Boxrec, all 3 judges had it the way I had it, 87-84 Gonzalez.

Gonzalez really did look gone. I tweeted as much moments before he retired and if Burns had gone to the body with any success it could/would have been over and I think Gonzalez knew it. I just don't/won't believe he was paid off.

That said, the Choi Simpson cards were abysmal.

So what's this conspiracy then? Gonzalez to school Burns for 6 rounds, try his utmost to knock him out in the 7th, and then quit? Sounds a bit of a weird conspiracy to me.

The title should be "Burns Gonzalez - contains the insane ramblings of a couple of brainless conspiracy theorists". Much more of a public service and would have spared me reading it.

As I said on the other thread, I had Gonzalez three rounds up - Burns did enough in the 3rd or 4th (can't remember which) and had just won the 8th and 9th. Gonzalez's legs had gone and he didn't look like he was going to win another round. Can't say for certain why he quit but looked like the combined reasons of tiredness, injury and the fact that he didn't fancy it!

There's is no way he was paid off hahaha that's ridiculous! He was knackered and couldn't continue he was winning but had everything taken out of him it's a 12 round fight not 7! I think now a days winning a belt your gonna get more money and bigger fights then anything matchroom can offer you

Not only is this thread disrespectful to Matchroom sport and Ricky Burns, it's incredibly disrespectful to Gonzalez, to suggest he would take a bung rather than try and win a World title.

I'd be pretty hard pressed to give Burns a round before the 8th to be honest, although he worked tirelessly in most rounds.

For my 2p. He seemed to be gassing badly at the end of RND 7 and his corner were working on his legs. The hand may just have swung it.

I assume he and his corner thought they were looking at being chased down and pressed for the remaining 3 rounds and he was so tired he would get hurt.

In a World title fight you'd think he'd have the heart to try ride it out none the less, so you have to question his heart.

I'm not sure I swallow the story the fight was thrown. As you can see, his corner were working his legs for a few rounds and you can see he physically started to wilt by the end of the 7th. But maybe.

just watched the fight, well done ricky, just pushed enough and made the other guy quit.

jim watt put it best, ricky beat a better boxer than himself tonight, the mark of a true champion.

eddyfightfan wrote:just watched the fight, well done ricky, just pushed enough and made the other guy quit.

jim watt put it best, ricky beat a better boxer than himself tonight, the mark of a true champion.

The other guy got tired after punching ricky burn's face for 7 rounds. Burns did nothing to win that fight apart from not get knocked out and be lucky eough that the guy he faced had no heart.

I am a Ricky Burns fan, I like watching him fight and I appreciate his character and great sportsmanship. He's also a bloke who has worked hard and improved immeasurably from his earlier career to deservedly capture 2 world titles in 2 divisions. However, I think this fight has showed what we've all been aware of for a while, that there are definitely the men out there who can beat Burns, and it might not be too long before we see him in with one.

To be fair, he did win the fight. If you're opponent cannot continue, then you are the victor, this is the oldest law of prizefighting. With that said, the weaknesses were there for everyone to see. Let us not forget that this fight was against a man who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page, I'm not sure how long Ricky has at the top as stiffer competition comes into view.

Let us not forget that this fight was against a man who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page

Wikipedia is hardly the barometer of boxing talent though. Whether or not he was well known or not, Gonzalez looked a bloody good boxer and with better stamina and perhaps some "heart", could be more than a handful for anyone in the division.

I don't think there's a great shame in Burns being outclassed by Gonzalez for 7 rounds (despite the fact that Ricky probably could have a fought a lot smarter).

superflyweight wrote:

Let us not forget that this fight was against a man who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page

Wikipedia is hardly the barometer of boxing talent though. Whether or not he was well known or not, Gonzalez looked a bloody good boxer and with better stamina and perhaps some "heart", could be more than a handful for anyone in the division.

I don't think there's a great shame in Burns being outclassed by Gonzalez for 7 rounds (despite the fact that Ricky probably could have a fought a lot smarter).

I'd hope that it is obvious that this is not exactly what I was implying. I don't think it is shameful for Burns to have been out-boxed so thoroughly for the first seven rounds, but it does make one wonder how he might cope with one of the more illustrious names from around the divisions.

As usual, people are trolling a bit.

Gonzalez was certainly the more convincing fighter early on, and Burns was below par, but in no round bar part of the 7th was he hugely dominant, and Ricky did well in to recover in that round, too. He was stronger, more heavy-handed, moved well, but was just a bit better than Burns in most rounds, but he ran out of puff. No point in being big babies and resorting to conspiracy theories, fighters have a duty to be in a condition to go 12 rounds, he wasn't, more fool him.

Gave Burns three rounds (4, 8 & 9), one split, Gonzalez the other five, but the way the fight was going, Burns would've won the latter three rounds anyway, and if there was any doubt probably got the home decision after finishing the stronger.

Ultimately, Burns was the better fighter because he didn't quit on his stool.