Team Mayweather: 147 for Canelo or no fight

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According to Steve Kim, Team Mayweather is saying that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez will have to come down to 147 if he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on September 14th. There won’t be a catchweight of 150 and Mayweather won’t move up in weight to fight Canelo at his weight.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2013/mayweather-147-for-canelo-or-no-fight/


Crap article full of guff, the writer is poor but I wonder if there is any truth in the story.


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EDIT: Seems this story is growIng legs, from BoxingScene:



According to Jose "Chepo" Reynoso, trainer of WBC/WBA 154-pound champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (44-0-1, 30KOs), there is a weight issue that has to be worked out in order to fight WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26KOs) on September 14 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Chepo claims that Mayweather wants the fight to take place at the welterweight limit of 147-pounds. Canelo wants to fight at the junior middleweight limit. Chepo says there is "0" chance of the bout take place at 147. They did propose the idea of having a catch-weight, which Mayweather rejected.

"Floyd wants every advantage on his side. Among one of the things that is often being stressed is that he wants Canelo at a lower weight. Why would I make my boy sacrifice so much? We proposed an intermediate weight for things to be level for both [fighters], but he refused. Yes we want to fight, but that does not mean [Mayweather] will get everything [he wants]," Chepo said to Erika Montoya.

The weight was an obvious concern when this fight was first discussed. Mayweather walks around close to the welterweight limit, while Canelo weighs over 170-pounds on the night of his fights. Mayweather hold the WBA's "super title" at 154, but he defeated Miguel Cotto, a small junior welterweight, to capture that title.

If I know Canelo, the intermediate weight was probably 153.5..

Canelo comes in at 170 so i do not blame Mayweather for not taking the fight.

Mayweather is a great, no matter what. He could retire tomorrow and he would still rank very highly on many peoples ATG lists.

However, Alavarez arguably presents the toughest test for him right now, in a division in which he is a Champion. If he doesn't take that fight then he will still be a great, he will just have openly refused to take on, what many people feel to be, the toughest challenge available.

It is entirely legitimate to criticise him for that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Can I also say that a 30 year old Leonard ducked Michael Nunn after the Kalambay fight.......That's six years younger than Floyd..

Jack Soloman offered Robinson a huge payday for Turpin 3 but he avoided it after initially agreeing.....

Your Mate dempsey..........

Hagler wouldn't fight Spinks..........

Whittaker could have fought Norris I'm sure..

Hypocrisy plain and simple.

Leonard had already taken on his own personal Pacquiaos in the face of Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler.

Hagler had already fought his own personal Pacquiao in the shape of Hearns (he'd also never even set foot in Spinks' division, something Floyd can't hide behind).

Whitaker had already fought his own personal Pacquiao in the shape of Chavez.

That's the difference here. As I've said before, I genuinely think that if Mayweather had fought Pacquiao a few years back, then the demand for Mayweather-Alvarez would be smaller. Much smaller in fact. It doesn't matter how great a fighter is, there's almost invariably always a fight out there which represents a huge risk against an opponent who is capable of upsetting them, the kind of fight which, if they win, people will look at and think, "Yep, that was THE ultimate high point of their career."

Mayweather could have potentially had that against Manny, but never did, for whatever reason. The fight against Alvarez is a chance to make amends for that. It's the biggest test out there for him and there's basically nothing to stop the fight taking place, provided they want it. Sadly, that will probably be the killer.

Floyd asking for the fight at 147 is basically nonsense, I'm afraid. Alvarez has been a big Light-Middleweight ever since he hit the championship class. Mayweather may be pound for pound number one, but Alvarez is the king pin at 154 and, crucially, it's not realistic for him to fight at 147, whereas it's realistic for Floyd to fight at 154.

Had those aforementioned names not taken THE most demanded and wanted fights like they did, then the sticks you're beating them with would be more popular, Truss. But again, the difference is that they all found a way to take that huge risk when their greatest potential challenge emerged. Mayweather, so far, just hasn't.

He's great, but not so great that it's impossible for any potential opponent to be a real threat to him. There are legitimate danger men out there, and until he starts actually fighting them again, then people are well within their rights to think that he is, for want of a better phrase, taking the Michael a wee bit.

Mayweather had taken on 4 p4pers too............

Two more than Whittaker so shut up..

Chris is young so I'll tell him that Leonard agreed to 80/20 for Duran...........Or the fight didn't get made..

Why wouldn't Manny agree to 60/40..........

Never mind don't bother only an idiot has Whittaker higher...

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

Burns has had a fantastic career!!

Truss you do seem rather pent up today - bad night at the Oyster?

He woke up with a jam jar stuck up his.......

Them bloody Oyster Boys are such dirt bags!!!!

Not in the mood for crappy arguments...............

Remember when Chris used to put down DelaHoya for not cleaning up a division........Surely he'd want Floyd to stay at 147 and clean up with that resoning??

Apparently not..

At least Chris knows how to construct a valid point.

Yours consists of "shut up"........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

He makes fantastic points though

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Ignore them truss, they are only picking on you because you are an american.

I've rebutted everything... unless you want me to do it one more time for the road!!

American's have broad shoulders....Few of us are chosen....

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Ignore them truss, they are only picking on you because you are an american.

What a childish response, Truss. Still skirting the real issue.

Again, where I or anyone else ranks Floyd in comparison to Whitaker is totally irrelevant. We're talking about Mayweather's inability to get a mega fight signed despite opportunities to do so presenting themselves. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

The reasons as to why Floyd-Cotto in 2007/2008, Floyd-Manny or Floyd-Canelo didn't happen or haven't happened so far aren't my point. The fact is those fights just didn't take place and this has to be at least some kind of blotch on Mayweather's record. De la Hoya was six years ago and, since then, none of his fights have been THE one that either a) all boxing fans are wanting to see, or b) been the toughest challenge available to him.

I know that Duran earned 'only' $1.5 million for Leonard I, thanks. I also know that he turned down a guaranteed $2.3 million for a fight with Cervantes, because he wanted to take on the biggest and best challenge open to him, which was Ray. Alvarez, right now, is both the toughest viable challenge for Floyd and, on top of that, the biggest money spinner as well. So what excuse is there for the fight not happening, really?

How do you know Truss is american?? Is there a Wiki page stating this??

88Chris05 wrote:What a childish response, Truss. Still skirting the real issue.

Again, where I or anyone else ranks Floyd in comparison to Whitaker is totally irrelevant. We're talking about Mayweather's inability to get a mega fight signed despite opportunities to do so presenting themselves. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

The reasons as to why Floyd-Cotto in 2007/2008, Floyd-Manny or Floyd-Canelo didn't happen or haven't happened so far aren't my point. The fact is those fights just didn't take place and this has to be at least some kind of blotch on Mayweather's record. De la Hoya was six years ago and, since then, none of his fights have been THE one that either a) all boxing fans are wanting to see, or b) been the toughest challenge available to him.

I know that Duran earned 'only' $1.5 million for Leonard I, thanks. I also know that he turned down a guaranteed $2.3 million for a fight with Cervantes, because he wanted to take on the biggest and best challenge open to him, which was Ray. Alvarez, right now, is both the toughest viable challenge for Floyd and, on top of that, the biggest money spinner as well. So what excuse is there for the fight not happening, really?

That will always be a black mark on floyds career.

88Chris05 wrote:What a childish response, Truss. Still skirting the real issue.

Again, where I or anyone else ranks Floyd in comparison to Whitaker is totally irrelevant. We're talking about Mayweather's inability to get a mega fight signed despite opportunities to do so presenting themselves. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

The reasons as to why Floyd-Cotto in 2007/2008, Floyd-Manny or Floyd-Canelo didn't happen or haven't happened so far aren't my point. The fact is those fights just didn't take place and this has to be at least some kind of blotch on Mayweather's record. De la Hoya was six years ago and, since then, none of his fights have been THE one that either a) all boxing fans are wanting to see, or b) been the toughest challenge available to him.

I know that Duran earned 'only' $1.5 million for Leonard I, thanks. I also know that he turned down a guaranteed $2.3 million for a fight with Cervantes, because he wanted to take on the biggest and best challenge open to him, which was Ray. Alvarez, right now, is both the toughest viable challenge for Floyd and, on top of that, the biggest money spinner as well. So what excuse is there for the fight not happening, really?

Hagler-Spinks....Robbo-Turpin 3.......Don't moan about them do you............Cotto struggled with Paulie ...................Some fights don't get made..........

We look at a fighters ledger when rating them and this guy has a great record.............You don't like him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We used to joke back home of the brave Duran's habit of calling out Hagler and Leonard but never wanting a rematch with Hearns.....

Duran the guy that beat only two p4pers...........whilst Floyd beat 4...........

What I don't understand is why floyd gets so much stick for not fighting Alvarez.

Who is he and what has he done?

Many people slated the Guerrero fight, but he is a muti weight world champ and has fought decent names like Berto, Aydin, Katsdis etc.

Alvarez has don literally nothing.

Would we call Ward a ducker if he was called out by Cleverley?

Nope. Cleverley is also an undefeated world champ but has beaten nothing but nurses and bums.

Cleverley, Alvarez, whatever.

Thy just want a peice of Mayweathers huge money he brings every time.

If I was Floyd, I'd say the same thing. Alvarez is a nobody and has achieved next to nothing,

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've rebutted everything... unless you want me to do it one more time for the road!!

American's have broad shoulders....Few of us are chosen....

No, Chris has rebutted. You have repeated.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

mobilemaster8 wrote:What I don't understand is why floyd gets so much stick for not fighting Alvarez.

Who is he and what has he done?

Many people slated the Guerrero fight, but he is a muti weight world champ and has fought decent names like Berto, Aydin, Katsdis etc.

Alvarez has don literally nothing.

Would we call Ward a ducker if he was called out by Cleverley?

Nope. Cleverley is also an undefeated world champ but has beaten nothing but nurses and bums.

Cleverley, Alvarez, whatever.

Thy just want a peice of Mayweathers huge money he brings every time.

If I was Floyd, I'd say the same thing. Alvarez is a nobody and has achieved next to nothing,

Absolutely Mate...........Floyd deserves an easy defence or two..

mobilemaster8 wrote:What I don't understand is why floyd gets so much stick for not fighting Alvarez.

Who is he and what has he done?

Many people slated the Guerrero fight, but he is a muti weight world champ and has fought decent names like Berto, Aydin, Katsdis etc.

Alvarez has don literally nothing.

Would we call Ward a ducker if he was called out by Cleverley?

Nope. Cleverley is also an undefeated world champ but has beaten nothing but nurses and bums.

Cleverley, Alvarez, whatever.

Thy just want a peice of Mayweathers huge money he brings every time.

If I was Floyd, I'd say the same thing. Alvarez is a nobody and has achieved next to nothing,

In which case, if he's rubbish, he should be a relatively easy night's work for Floyd. Fight him, beat him, get paid, move on......it's not like he's being asked to move up and face Andre Ward is it?

DAVE667 wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:What I don't understand is why floyd gets so much stick for not fighting Alvarez.

Who is he and what has he done?

Many people slated the Guerrero fight, but he is a muti weight world champ and has fought decent names like Berto, Aydin, Katsdis etc.

Alvarez has don literally nothing.

Would we call Ward a ducker if he was called out by Cleverley?

Nope. Cleverley is also an undefeated world champ but has beaten nothing but nurses and bums.

Cleverley, Alvarez, whatever.

Thy just want a peice of Mayweathers huge money he brings every time.

If I was Floyd, I'd say the same thing. Alvarez is a nobody and has achieved next to nothing,

In which case, if he's rubbish, he should be a relatively easy night's work for Floyd. Fight him, beat him, get paid, move on......it's not like he's being asked to move up and face Andre Ward is it?

Tyson had achieved next to nothing when he slapped Berbick out..........

Alvarez isn't really a challenge Chris.

He has beaten nobody of note except Trout (who had also beat tripe with the exception of Citto).

Rhodes, Gomez, Hatton, Mosley (joke fight) does not get you a shot at your weight with P4P number 1.

Mayweather should stay at WW and just beat the top guys there.

IF,......and it's a big IF, Alvarez can beat two or three decent fighters like Lara, Cotto, Angulo, Kirkland, Martinez if possible etc etc then Mayweather should do it........if not, then no right to fight.

I think Alvarez is the real deal...He reminds me of Chavez........but like Chavez I see him struggling with slicksters....

I'd like to think he is too Truss, but his record says otherwise.

Given he Is a massive talent and does have to tools to be a huge superstar and p4p great.

I just want him to show us and fight decent fighters and not fight Hatton who is a career welter with no punch, or Mosley just because it's a name, or Ryan Rhodes.......because he is bald?

The rules don't apply to him..........in the same way..

He can fight who he likes.

But what gives him that right? Because he is Mexican, ginger, good following and related to the WBC and liked to De La Hoya?

At least Mayweather fought his way to that status, much like Pacquiao.

Nope, not Alvarez......

I'm not bashing him, I just feel he has not proved anything but spanking nobody fighters.

Mayweather taking a fight he could possibly lose?

I believe it when I see it

Like Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya to name but a few?

Why would Floyd AT HIS AGE go up in weight???

AT HIS AGE he needs to focus on a comfortable weight for himself. It would be harmful for his body to move up at 150 AT HIS AGE.

Canelo is very young and can jump weights or slim down, the effects will not be as bad for him as they would for Floyd AT HIS AGE.

Further more, Floyd is the marquee name if Canelo really wants the fight then the ball is in his court. Floyd has been there done that and is at the top for a reason yet of course you Floyd haters envious of his achievements expect him AT HIS AGE to do harmful things for your entertainment.

At his age

AT HIS AGE

Good to see my point has been forced home.

well done

At your age, every point is forced home.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Good to see my point has been forced home.

well done

I wonder why

Your kidding right....even AT HIS AGE

No but in all seriousness, At his age, he should stay at Welter......

It would be harmful for his body to move up at 150 AT HIS AGE.

What kind of ninny are you? He's being asked to put on three pounds not three stone. And what do you mean AT HIS AGE? He's 34 FFS or as most males will tell you, pretty much in the prime of his frickin' life. Three pounds isn't going to slow him down, decrease his punch output, punch power or punch resistance.

Who is a more qualified an opponent than Alvarez? Who provides a better challenge? Who offers more money?

If Mayweather refuses to go up to fight Alvarez at a weight he has fought twice at already, and fights Amir Khan, Danny Garcia or Devon Alexander instead then its not because Alvarez isn’t qualified enough or is an easy nights work. Quite the opposite. Alvarez drawing power alone makes it pretty much the biggest fight out there.

I don’t know if Mayweathers 147 demand is real or imagined but in the event its real and you add it to the Pacquiao debacle and his sabbatical then really it looks like he just doesn’t want to take on the biggest challenges because they pose too big a risk.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The only reason people want to see him go up to 154 is that there is more of a chance of him losing there....

Bit like there would have been If Hagler had tried it on with Spinks at 175.........

But Hamsho TWICE!!!.........Obelmijas TWICE!!!! Was more to his liking..

But that's okay!!

Imagine the flack Hagler would have taken if he had demanded the Spinks fight at 160lbs.

By the way, Hamsho and Obelmijas were mandatories Truss.

AT HIS AGE he is currently a world champion in the 154lb division, if that doesn't make you qualified to fight there I don't know what does. The fight won't happen unfortunately.

manos de piedra wrote:Who is a more qualified an opponent than Alvarez? Who provides a better challenge? Who offers more money?

If Mayweather refuses to go up to fight Alvarez at a weight he has fought twice at already, and fights Amir Khan, Danny Garcia or Devon Alexander instead then its not because Alvarez isn’t qualified enough or is an easy nights work. Quite the opposite. Alvarez drawing power alone makes it pretty much the biggest fight out there.

I don’t know if Mayweathers 147 demand is real or imagined but in the event its real and you add it to the Pacquiao debacle and his sabbatical then really it looks like he just doesn’t want to take on the biggest challenges because they pose too big a risk.

and THAT is what will harm his legacy despite what TRUSS thinks.

However, let's all adopt an unusual approach to the boards and wait until the facts come out before making a decision.

I hope he fights Gavin Ress next.

Legacy harmed by not fighting someone who was handed a world title against Matthew Hatton. Yeh cheers. Then defended against bums. Okay. Pulling power yes......proven track record and world class? Nope.

Khan, Garcia, Alexander have proved double what Alvarez has.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Legacy harmed by not fighting someone who was handed a world title against Matthew Hatton. Yeh cheers. Then defended against bums. Okay. Pulling power yes......proven track record and world class? Nope.

Khan, Garcia, Alexander have proved double what Alvarez has.

Would you pick any of those 3 to beat Alvarez? I wouldn't.