Haye vs Fury at the end of the year

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What do you guys think?

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/207514.html

Says they are currently in talks. The injury that halted the Charr fight seems a bit suspect now. Haye could earn triple (or more) fighting the big unco-ordinated oaf.

Is the injury a ploy to begin preparations for a Fury fight or will Fury duck Haye like he did Price?

Hopefully it happens, Haye previously dismissed a fight with Fury but now seems up for it.

You guys want the most boring people to fight. Good grief. Boxing has always had larger than life characters. Long may it continue. I'd hate to think what many of you would have thought of Ali when he started mouthing off.

If ali fought the same standard of opposition that he did then he'd be a demi-god especially with his charm, looks wit etc. Style and substance = gold dust.

Before he fought Liston he was making noise.

His wit would have been lost on most here.

Yeah and he performed, had Haye even lost in a fight where he went for broke he would have been respected much more and if fury beats haye or gives him a good match then his boasting will be justified, if he puts in a haye vs wlad performance then he will be derided even more. Its the risk you take when you gob off. The payoff will be either spectacular or abject defeat.

What do you mean "went for broke"? Ali hardly ever did that in the early stages. He was that good.

Boasting is good. The more talk the better. I prefer boxing had more Fury type nutters that Woodhall type classy guys.

Of course he did but he was winning, if he spent his night running away while he was losing round after round and making little to no attempt at forcing the issue apart from leaping in with a single shot he too would be abused.

Ali wasnt all that popular until post Vietnam. Plenty even wanted Liston to shut him up. It was a fight between two unpopular guys. It wasnt the case that everyone loved him from the get go.

Were it not for all the political and social aspect tht leant great significant to his career I could well imagine him being a fighter that split public opinion with a significant number of people wanting to see him cut down to size.

Most wanted Liston to beat him. Even after he returned, most wanted him to lose. He became loved after Foreman. Whenhe was seen to be very ill, he got the sympathy vote.

Rowley wrote:Remember when I was a kid Reborn, Bruno was often seen as a figure of ridicule. Dear god if he hit Fury anywhere above the kneecaps he would knock him into next week. Compared to these guys Big Frank looks like a heavyweight version of Benny Leonard.

So what if Bruno would beat Fury? He would beat those Klitschko brothers just as much. At least Fury is exciting and doesnt fight like a coward. You couldnt pay me enough to sit through watching Klitschko against Haye again. But the Klitschko fan club on here seem to want this kind of show again. Let Fury, Price or Wilder in there. At least we will get some entertainment then. If you are not going to be great, then at least be entertaining. The Klitschkos are neither.

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Remember when I was a kid Reborn, Bruno was often seen as a figure of ridicule. Dear god if he hit Fury anywhere above the kneecaps he would knock him into next week. Compared to these guys Big Frank looks like a heavyweight version of Benny Leonard.

So what if Bruno would beat Fury? He would beat those Klitschko brothers just as much. At least Fury is exciting and doesnt fight like a coward. You couldnt pay me enough to sit through watching Klitschko against Haye again. But the Klitschko fan club on here seem to want this kind of show again. Let Fury, Price or Wilder in there. At least we will get some entertainment then. If you are not going to be great, then at least be entertaining. The Klitschkos are neither.

There is a comment about a mirror in that statement, but can't quite bring it to mind!

I was a big Bruno fan when I was growing up and still can't believe that anyone would think he beats either of the K bros!! Not ATGs as someone state in another thread, but certainly best of this era by a country mile and a handful for anyone.

bhb001 wrote:

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Remember when I was a kid Reborn, Bruno was often seen as a figure of ridicule. Dear god if he hit Fury anywhere above the kneecaps he would knock him into next week. Compared to these guys Big Frank looks like a heavyweight version of Benny Leonard.

So what if Bruno would beat Fury? He would beat those Klitschko brothers just as much. At least Fury is exciting and doesnt fight like a coward. You couldnt pay me enough to sit through watching Klitschko against Haye again. But the Klitschko fan club on here seem to want this kind of show again. Let Fury, Price or Wilder in there. At least we will get some entertainment then. If you are not going to be great, then at least be entertaining. The Klitschkos are neither.

There is a comment about a mirror in that statement, but can't quite bring it to mind!

I was a big Bruno fan when I was growing up and still can't believe that anyone would think he beats either of the K bros!! Not ATGs as someone state in another thread, but certainly best of this era by a country mile and a handful for anyone.

just ignore winchester, he created a new account and all of his comments have been about how crap the klitschkos are.

I personally have no particular problem with either of the brothers styles. Would not go out of my way to watch either but admire their ability and effectiveness. As I have said countless times is not for them to change a style that is getting them results and still packing them in at football stadiums in their homeland. Is for the chasing pack to find a way to solve that style or make them step out of their comfort zone style wise. That the chasingt pack are too fat useless or bereft of the talent to make them do that is hardly the fault of either brother.

I have a question about this match up.

Who would win out of the Valuev that Haye fought and Fury?

Because for my money, Haye didnt win that very convincingly and I reckon that Fury would beat Valuev all day long.

Gentleman01 wrote:

Rowley wrote:Still my favourite ever comment ever Milky. One you had to read a few times to try and check if it was you misreading it.

To be fair though, Jeff, Calzaghe did himself say that he could have beaten Wlad. So it is true.

I think Jeff was referring to when we were 'enlightened' to the fact Wlad and Vit were brothers, G-man. Unbelievable stuff....

Haye was over-cautious against valuev. I thought he risked getting a homer, due to his lack of activity. Thing is, valuev had never really been rocked before (though he was at the end of the fight), so it looked like haye went for a 12 round strategy. Fury's trips to the canvas and susceptibility to a right hand, means haye would look to take him out early in my view.

Just because Valuev and fury are big lumps, it doesnt mean haye would fight the same fight.

I'm not that convinced that fury would beat valuev, who had wins over a better level of opposition than fury has fought.

Adam D wrote:I have a question about this match up.

Who would win out of the Valuev that Haye fought and Fury?

Because for my money, Haye didnt win that very convincingly and I reckon that Fury would beat Valuev all day long.

Haye won that because Valuev couldn't lay a glove on him. Fury's movement and footwork is appalling in comparison and his jab not good enough to keep Valuez away = eventually Fury gets clipped and it's game over. One thing getting up after being knocked down by light punchers, getting clocked by a beast like Valuev would render him unconscious. Add to the fact Fury doesn't have the power to even wobble him let alone knock him out you'd basically have to hope Valuez didn't throw a punch all fight so Fury could take a UD.

And for the record I thought Haye comfortably won that fight.

I really don't think Valuev is such a big puncher...

I hope Haye gets to fight Wlad again as soon as possible. This circus of bums need to stop.

smashingstormcrow wrote:I really don't think Valuev is such a big puncher...

When there's 25 stone of weight behind it you're always going to feel it!

Fury is a top 10 hw fighter right now. You goons can't handle the simple truth. All you guys hate it when he wins. Typical British mindset of disliking winners and preferring losers like Bruno and the giant fool like Price.

Celebrate winners. Celebrate Fury.

Bruno was a world champion, Az.

Fury will be also.

azania wrote:Fury will be also.

If that 's true , it's because he won't face anyone remotely as talented as Witherspoon, Lewis or Tyson. I'd also fancy Smith to KO Fury. l'd as soon celebrate Fury as I would a dose of the clap.

Another issued person. Blind hate is not a good thing bro

Celebrate success. Fury is a success story. Enjoy him.

azania wrote:What do you mean "went for broke"? Ali hardly ever did that in the early stages. He was that good.

Boasting is good. The more talk the better. I prefer boxing had more Fury type nutters that Woodhall type classy guys.

Dude why don't you give WWE a try?...that's full of characters.

How is Fury a success story??! Laughable as always Az.

TopHat24/7 wrote:How is Fury a success story??! Laughable as always Az.

A man with little actually boxing ability (his uppercut is his best punch and the only person he's caught with it is himself) has a top ten ranking. Success story or tragi-comedy of epic proportions?

Don't see Spielberg knocking on the door to make it a movie any time soon.

Yeh, guess it all depends how you spin it. To me being that bad when blessed with those size advantages makes you anything but a success. Especially as I expect him to get found out at his first challenging fight which a) he hasn't had yet; and b) arguably he already has as MaccyD beat him comfortably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4CobVNTwL0

If he had a half decent technique russia would be the first to send a man to mars and the yanks would claim it as their own land

He's a world ranked fighter earning 6 figures per fight. He may challenge for the belt soon and for someone of his background that is remarkable. Like him or not he is one of the best boxers at the division.

People harp on about his size but so what? He hasn't been slapped by a clip round the ear and stopped.

what's his background got to do with it?

#issues

TopHat24/7 wrote:what's his background got to do with it?

#issues

Hes a gyppo. so for him to earn some gold rather than nick it is strange for az's racist views

TopHat24/7 wrote:what's his background got to do with it?

#issues

Plenty. He came from a poor background and is now a success. He did that by using his talents both in and out of the ring.

Poor backround?? His family are loaded you nutter!!

The copper stealing business and tarmacing are still red hot earners to this day.

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:what's his background got to do with it?

#issues

Plenty. He came from a poor background and is now a success. He did that by using his talents both in and out of the ring.

That goes for most boxers.

So he's a success then.

He's made the most of his limited talent...on the back of that he has to be labeled as a success (not that I said he wasn't)....But while he's getting floored by none punching cruiser weights you have to admit that it's only a matter of time before he's stopped.

Limited? Good enough to comprehensively beat 2 world title challengers, get up and win when decked as opposed to break dancing like your hero. In this era he is one of the best around.

azania wrote:He's a world ranked fighter earning 6 figures per fight. He may challenge for the belt soon and for someone of his background that is remarkable. Like him or not he is one of the best boxers at the division.

People harp on about his size but so what? He hasn't been slapped by a clip round the ear and stopped.

Povetkin, both K's, Adamek and Pulev would all beat Fury imo and again Azania just because he's a world ranked fighter in your opinion dosent mean he is in everybody's eyes. The highest ranked heavyweight he's beat is a cruiserweight 'Cunningham' so how you can say he's world ranked is beyond belief.

He beat chisora when del was unbeaten. Beat kingpin. His resume compares well against other guys with his experience. Ks would beat every hw out there. Haye is next best. I'd back fury over Adamek.

But all those guys beat price easily. But Price is a lovely and humble bloke so the fact he's a banker in the ring gives him a pass.

If Fury gets sparked by a fat bloke here for a paycheck I'd agree with you.

if fury can beat pulev i think he holds one of the best wins in the division. its no accident he is undefeated, and he has a CV comparible to hayes at HW. he may have flaws but he comes to win and can handle pressure when a fight isn't going his way, unlike most at the moment.

as for him been beat by big john, this has become a bit of an exaggartion as of late, it was a close fight but fury probably did enough, and people beat him over the head with this fight. he rematched him and beat him comfortably, and has moved on to bigger and better things since then.

azania wrote:Limited? Good enough to comprehensively beat 2 world title challengers, get up and win when decked as opposed to break dancing like your hero. In this era he is one of the best around.

My hero? No hero of mine will ever be someone "good at sport".

Fury has a poor jab, zero speed, average power and poor punch resistance....that in my eyes is limited.

Then you're blinded by your dislike of him. But all power to you.

Don't get me wrong, he's entertaining....but more in a car crash whats he going to do next kind of way...but a quality boxer, nah sorry I don't see it....but your blinded by your need to wum so power to you.

Depends on what you think quality is, especially in this era. Take out K2 and Haye the rest are much of a muchness. But to single fury out for special criticism and ignore the rest is plain silly. But there you go.

Well the yard stick for quality will always be the champion or at least the best in the division (at that time)...Fury is singled out for criticism above other mediocre fighters because he makes the most noise...his rant with homophobic language really was the final straw for me.

And he has backed up his boasts. His ledger is comparable with most other hws. People criticise his performance against cunningham yet cunningham was robbed against Adamek. He was no slouch yet is described as a fat cruiser to put fury down. Totally unfair criticism.

Cunningham was in shape, no doubting that...my problem with the display was that Tyson really did struggle with a none punching (albeit quick) built up cruiser with an average ko record.

Yes his record is comparable with the rest of the top contenders who have fought the same poopie heavies yet I don't see how he beats Povetkin, Haye, Helinus or Adameck.....I'd love to see him in with Wilder.

Non punching? He has a high ko rate. Over 60%.

Wilder will beat him. Does that mean Fury is crap? He won't beat Haye et al. Does that mean he's rubbish? I bet you that had it been Price people here would have been singing his praises.