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Did Froch beat Kessler more convincingly than Calzaghe?

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Post by skimpton Sun 26 May 2013, 5:34 pm

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IMO I believe he did last night and he was close to stopping Kessler at the end.
In the old days of 15 rounds I believe it would have been a KO/TKO.

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Post by RanjitPatel Tue 28 May 2013, 11:42 pm

It always seems to be forgotten that Calzaghe was old as well by the time he fought Hopkins and using that fight as a way of seeing how he would have done against Ward doesn't really take that into account.

Maybe Calzaghe peaked late or he may have shown how good he was at a younger age if the fights had come. The Lacy fight seems to be the one where he stepped up to a different level and i think that was always in him but he needed the opponent to be on a similar level.
Shame that he couldn't have proved it in his late 20's as I feel he could have.
Cant pick a winner out of him and Ward because of that. A mix of the Eubank and Kessler Calzaghe would have had the best chance.

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Post by smashingstormcrow Wed 29 May 2013, 10:04 am

Going back to the original question, I think it's a matter of personal "taste". Froch's win was a great tear-up, but Calzaghe out-worked and out-smarted Kessler. I found Calzaghe's victory more impressive, but I know others who preferred the physicality of Froch's win.

Undoubtedly the 2007 version of Kessler was superior, but I thought Kessler still looked sharp on Saturday. He was moving pretty well and landed some great shots - before visibly tiring in the 12th.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 May 2013, 10:06 am

I see Watson, Eubank and Benn all slapping Kessler's butt..........

Which puts things into perspective for me...

Average stand up European fighter in a shallow time.

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Post by milkyboy Wed 29 May 2013, 10:27 am

On jc ward? It's a Pickem for me. Hopkins showed that a spoiler can make jc struggle, but calzaghe looked like he'd lost a step for me. The reduced punch output is part down to hoppo's spoiling and part down to jc's aging.

Ward seems to tire in fights, and I 'd expect calzaghe to come on strong, so much would depend on whether ward would build up a lead early on. He's probably a better pure boxer than calzaghe, but calzaghe is a rarity in that he would put himself in range and fire quick combinations. Dangerous against a quick counterpuncher, but also very difficult to defend against as he might miss with the first punch, but numbers 2 and 3 came very quickly afterwards.

Ward has never fought anyone as good as calzaghe or anyone close to calzaghe's style.

Ward might well beat him, but to those who think its laughable that he might not, the joke is on you.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 May 2013, 10:31 am

Calzaghe went the distance a lot..........Think Ward is too cute and then coasts later on...........

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Post by milkyboy Wed 29 May 2013, 10:36 am

That's one possibility truss certainly, not a given though.

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Post by winchester Wed 29 May 2013, 1:09 pm

What makes people so sure Ward would beat Calzaghe? I make Calzaghe a huge favourite to beat Ward if the fought. Calzaghe was a great fighter that never stopped throwing punches and he has proved himself by beating a ring legend like Hopkins who had to resort to cheating and fouling to keep up with Calzaghe. Ward is no Hopkins and Calzaghe would overwhelm him with lightning combinations and relentless pressure. Ward is overrated and I think Froch beats him in a rematch. Froch has improved since then and I don’t think he was at his best that fight. He showed against Kessler in the rematch what a fired up Froch can do. Ward would not beat him if he can reproduce that kind of performance. Froch and Calzaghe also proved themselves by winning abroad which Ward has yet to do.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 May 2013, 1:10 pm

Robin reid is no Hopkins..either

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Post by Guest Wed 29 May 2013, 3:42 pm

winchester wrote:What makes people so sure Ward would beat Calzaghe? I make Calzaghe a huge favourite to beat Ward if the fought. Calzaghe was a great fighter that never stopped throwing punches and he has proved himself by beating a ring legend like Hopkins who had to resort to cheating and fouling to keep up with Calzaghe. Ward is no Hopkins and Calzaghe would overwhelm him with lightning combinations and relentless pressure. Ward is overrated and I think Froch beats him in a rematch. Froch has improved since then and I don’t think he was at his best that fight. He showed against Kessler in the rematch what a fired up Froch can do. Ward would not beat him if he can reproduce that kind of performance. Froch and Calzaghe also proved themselves by winning abroad which Ward has yet to do.
Aye get caught with a punch that crosses his legs then hit with a six punch combination against a guy who shattered and he should have been beating out of sight. Als, he decided to get cocky and stick his chin out for Kessler to have a pop and nearly came unstuck. If you think Ward lets him off the hook as easily you're an idiot...oh wait, we've already read your posts and you are!

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Post by winchester Wed 29 May 2013, 3:47 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
winchester wrote:What makes people so sure Ward would beat Calzaghe? I make Calzaghe a huge favourite to beat Ward if the fought. Calzaghe was a great fighter that never stopped throwing punches and he has proved himself by beating a ring legend like Hopkins who had to resort to cheating and fouling to keep up with Calzaghe. Ward is no Hopkins and Calzaghe would overwhelm him with lightning combinations and relentless pressure. Ward is overrated and I think Froch beats him in a rematch. Froch has improved since then and I don’t think he was at his best that fight. He showed against Kessler in the rematch what a fired up Froch can do. Ward would not beat him if he can reproduce that kind of performance. Froch and Calzaghe also proved themselves by winning abroad which Ward has yet to do.
Aye get caught with a punch that crosses his legs then hit with a six punch combination against a guy who shattered and he should have been beating out of sight. Als, he decided to get cocky and stick his chin out for Kessler to have a pop and nearly came unstuck. If you think Ward lets him off the hook as easily you're an idiot...oh wait, we've already read your posts and you are!

You sound like a bit of a tool yourself. What the matter? your career in stand up fail or something? I can see why.

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Post by Guest Wed 29 May 2013, 3:52 pm

winchester wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
winchester wrote:What makes people so sure Ward would beat Calzaghe? I make Calzaghe a huge favourite to beat Ward if the fought. Calzaghe was a great fighter that never stopped throwing punches and he has proved himself by beating a ring legend like Hopkins who had to resort to cheating and fouling to keep up with Calzaghe. Ward is no Hopkins and Calzaghe would overwhelm him with lightning combinations and relentless pressure. Ward is overrated and I think Froch beats him in a rematch. Froch has improved since then and I don’t think he was at his best that fight. He showed against Kessler in the rematch what a fired up Froch can do. Ward would not beat him if he can reproduce that kind of performance. Froch and Calzaghe also proved themselves by winning abroad which Ward has yet to do.
Aye get caught with a punch that crosses his legs then hit with a six punch combination against a guy who shattered and he should have been beating out of sight. Als, he decided to get cocky and stick his chin out for Kessler to have a pop and nearly came unstuck. If you think Ward lets him off the hook as easily you're an idiot...oh wait, we've already read your posts and you are!

You sound like a bit of a tool yourself. What the matter? your career in stand up fail or something? I can see why.
Why so touchy? Is it because pretty much every post you've made had been greeted with hoots of derision or worse.

Instead of getting angry, why not adopt the novel approach of thinking about it first before you commit to e-paper. That way, you might find people are a tad more receptive to some of your ideas...which, let's face it, have been pretty outlandish to say the very least.

Cheers!

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Post by eddyfightfan Wed 29 May 2013, 4:19 pm

calzaghe clearly beat kessler in better style, kessler hardly got in the fight against him, but thats no indication as to who is best, look at how reid was dealt with in comparison.

i think JC wins a head to head with froch, but he didn't do enough to create a legacy and now froch has done enough to move ahead of him in terms of overall acheivements.

i'd love to see kessler back too, as he has a lot more to give and still looked sharpe, i'd like to see him in with groves.

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