Lukas Rosol

This guy looks to have made a good start to R1, so moving a little closer to meeting Nadal again.

I've noticed there seems to be some resentment towards him from some quarters and I wondered why that was. The match at Wimbledon was first rate and he played great, and honourably. If he makes R3 I suspect we'll hear about 'revenge'. What did he do to get under the skin if some fans?

Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

From what I remember of that match it was Nadal who really let himself down in that match with his behaviour. Complaining about Rosol's preparation for returning the serve, arguing with the umpire and even bumping Rosol on the changeover. In contrast Lukas just got on with his game. Spitting on court is minor in comparison and I doubt very much that that is why 'a lot of neutrals are not very neutral towards him'.

It wasn't necessarily Rosol, it was the forum afterwards. The whole year afterwards people were winding Rafa fans up about it... The result is the "resentment" that is felt. Given how much Wum there was, im not surprised people are rarely neutral about him.
If anything I want Nadal to beat him soo we dont have to hear about it again.

emancipator wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

From what I remember of that match it was Nadal who really let himself down in that match with his behaviour. Complaining about Rosol's preparation for returning the serve, arguing with the umpire and even bumping Rosol on the changeover. In contrast Lukas just got on with his game. Spitting on court is minor in comparison and I doubt very much that that is why 'a lot of neutrals are not very neutral towards him'.

I did see the match and Nadal was definitely boorish at times but there's no excuse for spitting on court. No one wants to see that.

I think he let nadal bump into him too hard 2bh.

The Special Juan wrote:

emancipator wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

From what I remember of that match it was Nadal who really let himself down in that match with his behaviour. Complaining about Rosol's preparation for returning the serve, arguing with the umpire and even bumping Rosol on the changeover. In contrast Lukas just got on with his game. Spitting on court is minor in comparison and I doubt very much that that is why 'a lot of neutrals are not very neutral towards him'.

I did see the match and Nadal was definitely boorish at times but there's no excuse for spitting on court. No one wants to see that.

But gamesmanship is ok? That's the implication from your statement. Spitting on court is unsightly - that's all. It doesn't look particularly nice but it has no nefarious intent behind it. Complaining to the referee about a perfectly acceptable return preparation, deliberately slowing down play and claiming not to have been ready for serves, and then bumping your opponent is, imo, far worse, especially given Nadal's own procrastinated rituals.

emancipator wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:

emancipator wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

From what I remember of that match it was Nadal who really let himself down in that match with his behaviour. Complaining about Rosol's preparation for returning the serve, arguing with the umpire and even bumping Rosol on the changeover. In contrast Lukas just got on with his game. Spitting on court is minor in comparison and I doubt very much that that is why 'a lot of neutrals are not very neutral towards him'.

I did see the match and Nadal was definitely boorish at times but there's no excuse for spitting on court. No one wants to see that.

But gamesmanship is ok? That's the implication from your statement. Spitting on court is unsightly - that's all. It doesn't look particularly nice but it has no nefarious intent behind it. Complaining to the referee about a perfectly acceptable return preparation, deliberately slowing down play and claiming not to have been ready for serves, and then bumping your opponent is, imo, far worse, especially given Nadal's own procrastinated rituals.

I don't agree with gamesmanship at all and Nadal is entitled to make himself look like a fool if he wants to. I'm a massive critic of any player who engages in it in any match against any opponent or in any other sport and I'm not going to defend anyone over something like that. The shoulder charge was dreadful; there is no way Nadal would do that to Federer, for example. It's up the umpires to have a word with players taking too much time between shots though; we all know Nadal and Djokovic milk it.

Edit: Nadal isn't the only one who engages in gamesmanship though.

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

Doesn't or didn't Nadal used to spit on the court too? I remember when Schiavone used to win matches at the French open and used to kiss the clay that someone pointed out she's kissing Nadal's spit.

break_in_the_fifth wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Spitting on Centre Court didn't go down too well with me. I imagine that's why a lot of neutrals aren't too neutral towards him.

Doesn't or didn't Nadal used to spit on the court too? I remember when Schiavone used to win matches at the French open and used to kiss the clay that someone pointed out she's kissing Nadal's spit.

I don't watch a lot of Nadal matches, especially on clay, so I don't know whether he does or not. All I can say is I don't condone spitting by anyone ever, unless you've ingested poison.

That's your personal view though and while I don't like it either, I seriously doubt that's what made most neutrals polarised against him.

Typical clay matches get a lot of spit on the court, unlike Grass/HC because of all the dust (aka clay) on the court. Rome and MC, when windy, cause little sand devils to spit on the players, so they take revenge, like Nadal will avenge his loss to Rosol and gain revenge .

Rosol gets unnecessary shtick for being the person to beat Nadal @W, as does Soderling @RG. Unsightly accusations of doping have also been levied lately against both.

Fair enough about the clay. I'm not going to get into the irony of those accusations.

I cant believe we are now watching a Grand Slam and this is still being a topic of conversation nearly a year later and it is still not yet milked dry. Thank the Lord Rafa you beat Daniel Brands today (albeit hard work) otherwise poor old Rosol would have paled into insignificance.
I thought his performance today would have been enough to drone on about.

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting all neutrals are against Rosol. I'm just saying that people who might harbour something against him (and aren't Nadal fans themselves) must dislike him because of the spitting. I can't think of anything else Rosol did that would cause people to "hate" him.

Anyway I agree with HN, can we draw a line under this before I make myself look more like a twonk?

Haddie-nuff wrote:I cant believe we are now watching a Grand Slam and this is still being a topic of conversation nearly a year later and it is still not yet milked dry. Thank the Lord Rafa you beat Daniel Brands today (albeit hard work) otherwise poor old Rosol would have paled into insignificance.
I thought his performance today would have been enough to drone on about.

The whole Rosol thing has always been a two way street. People still go on about it because the reaction they illicit from Nadal fans hasn't got any less hysterical or amusing.

It would have stopped a long time ago had certain people just accepted the defeat on the chin and taken a bit of stick gracefully rather than having a hissy fit every time it was mentioned.

Well if you are having a go at me djl. you are sadly mistaken In which case you have to ask the question as to why this article has been written in the first place

I dont give a toss about Rosol in fact I think Daniel Brands would wipe the floor with him. Rafa wouldn´t be the first to lose to an also ran would he ?????.Rosol is the least of Rafa´s
problems I would be more concerned about Gulbis than Rosol.

With haddie here, an excuse for winding people up is not "it gets a reaction"

bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

falzy21 wrote:With haddie here, an excuse for winding people up is not "it gets a reaction"

Not saying it's right.

But while people are still getting wound up by the result of one match ages ago, people are going to carry on with mentioning it.

You can't ask people to stop saying the name 'Lukas Rosol' simply because some people go mental at the sight of the name.

You can't ask people to stop saying the name 'Lukas Rosol' simply because some people go mental at the sight of the name.

falzy21 wrote:It wasn't necessarily Rosol, it was the forum afterwards. The whole year afterwards people were winding Rafa fans up about it... The result is the "resentment" that is felt. Given how much Wum there was, im not surprised people are rarely neutral about him.
If anything I want Nadal to beat him soo we dont have to hear about it again.

What would happen if by chance Rosol beats Nadal in R3 of FO like Soderling did in R4 in 2009?

What do you mean what happens? nothing happens.. he beats him like Soderling did. Rafa carries on a proves that he is still who he is.. his loss to Soderling didn´t end his life did it. ???

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

Hahahaha good one HE , yea Benny can't be taken lightly and for the sake no French players can be taken lightly in FO and we are seeing it in Monfils vs Berdych.

Haddie-nuff wrote:What do you mean what happens? nothing happens.. he beats him like Soderling did. Rafa carries on a proves that he is still who he is.. his loss to Soderling didn´t end his life did it. ???

Like somebody said nobody dies to get these kinda reaction, but revenge and stuff is meaningless in Tennis events, so it doesn't matter whether Rafa/Rosol wins if they tend to meet each other, but yes if Rosol could beat Rafa in clay it would do a world of good for his confidence but the reality is they won't meet and if they happen to meet Rosol has 0.000001 chance, coz he already had that 1 win in 150,000 million years.

Spitting on clay is fair game, it can only improve the surface.

Spitting on grass at Wimbledon is tantamount to sacrilege, and should probably carry a short sentence at the pleasure of Her Majesty.

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

This is the anger I'm talking about. "Deal with him"? Why use such aggressive wording - he might get a third round win over an ordinary player, that's all.

You and deecoco get very touchy on the subject. Why? He's just an honest pro doing his job who had his moment in the sun.

"Why do Rafa fans get so touchy on this issue" comments article designed to provoke Rafa fans to get so touchy on this issue.

Rosol vs Fognini! That's an interesting match in itself. Probably more interesting that the one against Rafa.

Nadal refused to compare Brands performance to his loss to Lukas Rosol in June last year at Wimbledon. “I think it was a different situation,” said Nadal. “Rosol played the fifth set unbelievably I think. I would never have won that fifth set the way he played.”

Satisfied with this comment Mac the Knife !!!!

Haddie-nuff wrote:Nadal refused to compare Brands performance to his loss to Lukas Rosol in June last year at Wimbledon. “I think it was a different situation,” said Nadal. “Rosol played the fifth set unbelievably I think. I would never have won that fifth set the way he played.”

Satisfied with this comment Mac the Knife !!!!

Fair play Rafa

Henman Bill wrote:Rosol vs Fognini! That's an interesting match in itself. Probably more interesting that the one against Rafa.

I am not sure Rosol has enough to cross the dreaded Fog, but like many I would love to see Rosol/Rafa match irrespective of the result.

bogbrush wrote:

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

This is the anger I'm talking about. "Deal with him"? Why use such aggressive wording - he might get a third round win over an ordinary player, that's all.

You and deecoco get very touchy on the subject. Why? He's just an honest pro doing his job who had his moment in the sun.

But bogbrush I was merely responding to your thread. Anyway now you are using diversionary tactics. Don't think it hasn't been noted that you have completely ignored my mention of Benneteau. Ignoring fears doesn't make them go away you know. Are you adopting the Djokovic attitude to the draw?

hawkeye wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

This is the anger I'm talking about. "Deal with him"? Why use such aggressive wording - he might get a third round win over an ordinary player, that's all.

You and deecoco get very touchy on the subject. Why? He's just an honest pro doing his job who had his moment in the sun.

But bogbrush I was merely responding to your thread. Anyway now you are using diversionary tactics. Don't think it hasn't been noted that you have completely ignored my mention of Benneteau. Ignoring fears doesn't make them go away you know. Are you adopting the Djokovic attitude to the draw?

Have you literally noted it? Is it on a post it note or scribbled in a notepad?

And have you also made a note of the 'fear' that you speak of, that caused a poster to not mention Mr Benneteau?

Diversionary tactics.

Haddie-nuff wrote:Nadal refused to compare Brands performance to his loss to Lukas Rosol in June last year at Wimbledon. “I think it was a different situation,” said Nadal. “Rosol played the fifth set unbelievably I think. I would never have won that fifth set the way he played.”

Satisfied with this comment Mac the Knife !!!!

Missing the point again. Nadal himself doesn't seem to have any problem with it. Players don't feel the same way as fans.

hawkeye wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

This is the anger I'm talking about. "Deal with him"? Why use such aggressive wording - he might get a third round win over an ordinary player, that's all.

You and deecoco get very touchy on the subject. Why? He's just an honest pro doing his job who had his moment in the sun.

But bogbrush I was merely responding to your thread. Anyway now you are using diversionary tactics. Don't think it hasn't been noted that you have completely ignored my mention of Benneteau. Ignoring fears doesn't make them go away you know. Are you adopting the Djokovic attitude to the draw?

Ooh, you found me out. Yes, I can't contemplate the thought of Bennteau. Obviously.

Should Nadal and Rosol meet Rosol will be lucky to win more than 6 games as Nadal has a score to settle and on his favourite surface I feel a little sorry for Rosol having to face a charged up, defeat avenging Nadal

falzy21 wrote:It wasn't necessarily Rosol, it was the forum afterwards. The whole year afterwards people were winding Rafa fans up about it... The result is the "resentment" that is felt. Given how much Wum there was, im not surprised people are rarely neutral about him

I need to get this correct

Are you and others saying that because Rosol was the innocent weapon in (admittedly wrong) Nadal 'bear baiting' that it means that Rosol should be resented

Isn't that hypocritical? Are we now entering the same stage of Rafa's career that we did with Roger's where if anyone dares to beat him, stand by for the abuse?

banbrotam wrote:

falzy21 wrote:It wasn't necessarily Rosol, it was the forum afterwards. The whole year afterwards people were winding Rafa fans up about it... The result is the "resentment" that is felt. Given how much Wum there was, im not surprised people are rarely neutral about him

I need to get this correct

Are you and others saying that because Rosol was the innocent weapon in (admittedly wrong) Nadal 'bear baiting' that it means that Rosol should be resented

Isn't that hypocritical? Are we now entering the same stage of Rafa's career than we did with Roger's where if anyone dares to beat him - stand by for the abuse?

I mean it "wasn't" Rosol at all, necessarily, doesn't come into it

Please Mr Banbro can you re-write this coherently,

thank you



emancipator

bogbrush wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:Nadal refused to compare Brands performance to his loss to Lukas Rosol in June last year at Wimbledon. “I think it was a different situation,” said Nadal. “Rosol played the fifth set unbelievably I think. I would never have won that fifth set the way he played.”

Satisfied with this comment Mac the Knife !!!!

Missing the point again. Nadal himself doesn't seem to have any problem with it. Players don't feel the same way as fans.

Which applies to Federer fans also doesn´t it. Ithink to the contrary its YOU that misses the point .. more often than not

As Harry Enfield on "The Scousers" sketch would say....eh eh calm down, calm down...

Its obvious Brands played the match of his life yesterday, as Rosol did last Wimby. When these lower ranked huge guys who can hit the ball hard face Nadal they just swing the racquet and go for it. Its their final and they play with nothing to lose.

Nadal struggles with these 6'5+ power hitters no doubt about it and locker room chat is probably to try to hit Nadal off court - no point rallying with him. If Nadal gets stuck in his usual early tournie 3rd gear any further then Rosol just may have another chance too! Especially if it stays cold and damp.

If, and this is a big IF, Rosol will be able to put up a performance like that against Rafa in Wimbledon, he will have a chance to win the match. Winning two times in a row against the Spaniard would be a massive achievement in itself for the fresh ATP Bucarest champion, but would also represent an important confidence boost for his perspective career in general.

Rosol states his fave surface is clay, he grew up on the stuff.
He's no mug at rank 36 now, a talented player who has backed up that Wimby win, not disappeared into obscurity.
Its cold and damp this week and Nadal is still moving through the gears...there's no doubt Rosol has a chance if he gets to R3 and can play his best again.
He wont have fear for sure.

The blessing as always for Nadal is its 5 sets...taking 2 sets off him is one thing, taking 3 off him is quite another as the energy starts to sap and legs start to wobble.

I actually feel a guy like Rosol (tall, power player) has more of a chance against Rafa than Fed himself those days!!

Agreed.
Rafa has struggled against Isner, Gulbis, Rosol, Brands and Delpo.
Nearly all 6'5 or above. They hit flat and can hit Nadal's high balls fine as they often come into their "wheelhouse".
Also, the flatter and lower shots take his time away so he cant get the 4000+ RPM needed to get above their strike zone.
His BH doesn't generate the same level of spin as the FH so that plays into their pockets too.

What he cannot do with these guys is become passive/reactive from 4-5m behind the baseline but be more aggressive, take the balls earlier and move these guys around to expose their movement.
However, with these 6'5+ guys getting better athletes all the time they don't break down in 1 or 2 sets anymore, it can take 4 or 5 sets.

As Bob Dylan sang... The times, they are a changin'...

Haddie-nuff wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

Haddie-nuff wrote:Nadal refused to compare Brands performance to his loss to Lukas Rosol in June last year at Wimbledon. “I think it was a different situation,” said Nadal. “Rosol played the fifth set unbelievably I think. I would never have won that fifth set the way he played.”

Satisfied with this comment Mac the Knife !!!!

Missing the point again. Nadal himself doesn't seem to have any problem with it. Players don't feel the same way as fans.

Which applies to Federer fans also doesn´t it. Ithink to the contrary its YOU that misses the point .. more often than not

That's just incoherent.

I never miss the point. The point has been amply demonstrated on this thread.

Why dont you give your ego a rest BB.. there is only one point on here AND THATS YOURS... when you have finished gnawing on this particular bone do you think my dog could have it.. if there is anything left on it that is

bogbrush wrote:

hawkeye wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

hawkeye wrote:bogbrush. Don't you worry about Rosol. Rafa will deal with him if necessary. I would perhaps worry about Benneteau though. I've heard he turns into a beast with the French crowd behind him...

This is the anger I'm talking about. "Deal with him"? Why use such aggressive wording - he might get a third round win over an ordinary player, that's all.

You and deecoco get very touchy on the subject. Why? He's just an honest pro doing his job who had his moment in the sun.

But bogbrush I was merely responding to your thread. Anyway now you are using diversionary tactics. Don't think it hasn't been noted that you have completely ignored my mention of Benneteau. Ignoring fears doesn't make them go away you know. Are you adopting the Djokovic attitude to the draw?

Ooh, you found me out. Yes, I can't contemplate the thought of Bennteau. Obviously.

I bet Nadal is as scared of facing Rosol as Federer is of facing Benneteau. ie they will give players full respect especially as they have suffered a defeat but will feel confident that if they can execute their game they should be able to pull out a win.

Don't know were to put this. Apparently Federer was interviewed yesterday talking about the twins. He said they don't mind if he wins a trophy or a plate as long as it's shiny! If anyone can provide a link to this interview I would be very grateful.