Mayweather-Canelo

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Just announced!

Mayweather tweet - "I chose my opponent for September 14th and it's Canelo Alvarez. I'm giving the fans what they want. It will be at the MGM Grand."

Canelo tweet - "The top is close on September 14 there will be a new king!"

Thoughts on this fight? 2 fights in a row Floyd's delivered, would be a great way to reach 45-0. I always thought Canelo needed more experience despite the huge interest in this fight, and it will show!

p.s the weight's not been announced by either fighter but Fighthype have reported that it will be a jr. middleweight unification bout.

** Hey guys, I added a poll to this for early thoughts. Didn't want to start a new thread - Seanusarrilius**

TopHat24/7 wrote:Mayweather has never been a 'warrior', he's a master technician, an elite boxer, a purist, but not a warrior. And only you and the ridiculous recent Ring rankings have ever had Guerrero 'p4p'.

Few sane rational unbiaised people ever actually thought it was a real challenge or big fight. Like Ortiz.

This could get spicy!

I remember Truss saying the Pfp rankings arent worth a thing a few weeks back... Interesting change...

It takes a warrior to be at the top 15 years sorry...

Guerrero was a multi-weight champion and you are disrespecting him..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It takes a warrior to be at the top 15 years sorry...

Guerrero was a multi-weight champion and you are disrespecting him..

1. Look up warrior in a dictionary.

2. Not disrespecting him, I'm saying he has never done enough to be Top10 p4p (which most people agree with).

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It takes a warrior to be at the top 15 years sorry...

Guerrero was a multi-weight champion and you are disrespecting him..

So was Duke McKenzie and you've made your feelings on him abundantly clear.

Much as I admire Guerrero for the way in which he's fought back against personal troubles, he's yet another of these fighters who suddenly became popular overnight and considered the next big thing after beating up Michael Katsidis of all people.

The "Ghost" bandwagon started a-rumbling and a-rolling, as it seems to do with (un)surprising regularity these days and then when that particular train was derailed by Floyd people sat around waiting for boxing's replacement bus service.

Be it Alvarez, Guerrero, Ortiz or Broner, once Floyd does what he does we get terms like "green", "over-rated/over-hyped", "busted flush" "faded" etc tossed around. I don't expect this time to be any different.

Hardly in the same league as Robert...............Opposition wise..c'mon!

I'm one of the few that thinks Mckenzie should get more respect..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hardly in the same league as Robert...............Opposition wise..c'mon!

I'm one of the few that thinks Mckenzie should get more respect..

Are you confusing you with someone else?

Maybe you're confused suggesting Guerrero and Mckenzie are in the same league..

If you're suggest Guerrero is worthy of a p4p ranking after beating a "so badly faded he ironically looked like a ghost" Katsidis then you need to have a word with yourself. Oh wait, you do...

"McKenzie sucks"
"No, he's great"
"No he's not."
"Shut up"
"No, YOU shut up!"

Never regarded Katsidis as a great win Mate.............

Berto was quality though for a guy stepping up............

Stick to making tea..

Never said you did regard Kats as a great win, I'm suggesting you think RG's worthy of a p4p ranking when he's really only come to prominence having beaten a guy whose best days are well behind him and a guy whose career has derailed quite badly over the past couple of years.

I was basing his p4p ranking on the whole package with that included........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I was basing his p4p ranking on the whole package with that included........

What's the 'whole package' you've based it on then?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I was basing his p4p ranking on the whole package with that included........

What's the 'whole package' you've based it on then?

Yes do tell TRUSS or, failing that, get TRUSS to tell us.

Does this package include a NC against a guy who was beating him until the fight got stopped on account of "accidental" headbutts from RG?

His achievements...........Talent................victories and who else there is around that can go above him.........

kingraf wrote:Does this package include a NC against a guy who was beating him until the fight got stopped on account of "accidental" headbutts from RG?

Martinez has just won a contentious decision over murray..You want to hold that against him while we are at it..............Broner is in there..........Manny got squashed and is still in there...........

Robert deserved his status.

Yawn.....so transparent it's pathetic.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So If hagler-Hearns didn't sell it wouldn't have been a superfight??

Superfights sell, genius. That's part of what makes them Super Dooper

Theres a difference between winning a contentious fight, and getting out of a tough night with dirty tactics

TopHat24/7 wrote:Mayweather has never been a 'warrior', he's a master technician, an elite boxer, a purist, but not a warrior. And only you and the ridiculous recent Ring rankings have ever had Guerrero 'p4p'.

Few sane rational unbiaised people ever actually thought it was a real challenge or big fight. Like Ortiz.

I don't see a problem having Guerrero p4p fighter he moved up 2 weight classes and beat berto a solid guy at 147! And had already won titles at 2 other weights

kingraf wrote:Theres a difference between winning a contentious fight, and getting out of a tough night with dirty tactics

Yes it's about 20 places If you consider Duran vs Leonard 1........

Diamond in the rough wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Mayweather has never been a 'warrior', he's a master technician, an elite boxer, a purist, but not a warrior. And only you and the ridiculous recent Ring rankings have ever had Guerrero 'p4p'.

Few sane rational unbiaised people ever actually thought it was a real challenge or big fight. Like Ortiz.

I don't see a problem having Guerrero p4p fighter he moved up 2 weight classes and beat berto a solid guy at 147! And had already won titles at 2 other weights

If 'a solid guy' is the best you can give to the best win on his CV then that explains why he's not done enough to be top10 p4p.

Yes he's weight hopped but he's never been divisional top dog in any and he's never fought anyone in the top 5 of the divisions he's hopped to.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azumah HOF wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azumah HOF wrote:

kingraf wrote:Just to put it out there- FMJ-Guerrero PPV numbers have not been officially released. The only thing that keeps popping up is Showtime saying it "definitely exceeded a million buys" without a release. While they may be telling the truth, the fact is they offered Floyd 200m, so they cant have his PPV status questioned. Add in the fact that Floyds big fights are always Cinco de Mayo dates, and I think Floyd took this fight this year following a "suggestion"...

King I think its a stretch to far to suggest that the bosses at show time will go on record with a false hood. That would be very damaging. I think it is fair to follow their public statement that this tops one million buys! The late reporting of final figures is nothing new either. However I agree that the financial sense is that this fight happens now, Floyd fighting anyone else next because of his dominant display would invite a pay per view drop in figures.

They haven't gone on record though, have they? #thatsthepoint

They have the. Chief exec has quoted the over one million mark to the press in interview including to Ben Thompson on fight hype, one the most respected boxing writers. What hasn't been announced is the final figures, but they have said it has topped one million.

So they haven't gone on record then, have they??! They've merely hinted at and suggested a figure but have never gone firmly ON RECORD with an ACTUAL FIGURE.

He's gone on record saying it is over 1 million.

No, he hasn’t. I realise your standards are pretty mediocre when it comes to this kind of thing but most of us require more than idle hyperbole before we get all over-excited about things.

He has gone on record saying it os over 1 million. The chief executive SAID that it was over 1 million, that = going on record that the ppv was over 1 million.

Jesus christ you're thick.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Jesus christ you're thick.

if someone says something publicly or they release a statement that something has happened that means they have gone on record saying it.

If the exec released a statement or said something publicly about the number of PPV's sold being over 1 million that mens he went on record to confirm that the PPV sales were over 1 million.

Should've known this was above primary school thinking and you'd be lost.

Never argue with an idiot, you'll only be brought down to their level and then beaten by experience.

Must start taking my own advice.......

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azumah HOF wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azumah HOF wrote:

kingraf wrote:Just to put it out there- FMJ-Guerrero PPV numbers have not been officially released. The only thing that keeps popping up is Showtime saying it "definitely exceeded a million buys" without a release. While they may be telling the truth, the fact is they offered Floyd 200m, so they cant have his PPV status questioned. Add in the fact that Floyds big fights are always Cinco de Mayo dates, and I think Floyd took this fight this year following a "suggestion"...

King I think its a stretch to far to suggest that the bosses at show time will go on record with a false hood. That would be very damaging. I think it is fair to follow their public statement that this tops one million buys! The late reporting of final figures is nothing new either. However I agree that the financial sense is that this fight happens now, Floyd fighting anyone else next because of his dominant display would invite a pay per view drop in figures.

They haven't gone on record though, have they? #thatsthepoint

They have the. Chief exec has quoted the over one million mark to the press in interview including to Ben Thompson on fight hype, one the most respected boxing writers. What hasn't been announced is the final figures, but they have said it has topped one million.

So they haven't gone on record then, have they??! They've merely hinted at and suggested a figure but have never gone firmly ON RECORD with an ACTUAL FIGURE.

He's gone on record saying it is over 1 million.

No, he hasn’t. I realise your standards are pretty mediocre when it comes to this kind of thing but most of us require more than idle hyperbole before we get all over-excited about things.

He has gone on record saying it os over 1 million. The chief executive SAID that it was over 1 million, that = going on record that the ppv was over 1 million.

You tried to argue that the chief exec never went on record when he did. He went on record that it was over 1 million which is what Azamuh was saying.

What does "on record" mean?
Embrace a position publicly.- the. Chief exec has quoted the over one million mark to the press in interview= gone on record

Oh great, thanks for clearing that all up for us Champers.

We now know that Larry Holmes is on record as the greatest HW boxer of all time and Froch is on record as the greatest British boxer ever etc etc.......

And another thread decends into chaos....

Shame we couldn't intelligently argue why Canelo may win or why FMJ will remain the P4P king?

Been a great year for boxing.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So If hagler-Hearns didn't sell it wouldn't have been a superfight??

Superfights sell, genius. That's part of what makes them Super Dooper

Lewis-Holy only sold 800,000...........genius

All Time Great wrote:And another thread decends into chaos....

Shame we couldn't intelligently argue why Canelo may win or why FMJ will remain the P4P king?

Been a great year for boxing.

A mod turning the thread into chaos as well, shame on tophat

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So If hagler-Hearns didn't sell it wouldn't have been a superfight??

Superfights sell, genius. That's part of what makes them Super Dooper

Lewis-Holy only sold 800,000...........genius

what about the rematch?

Happens ATG. The thread always carried the risk of becoming a immature argument. My fault really, I questioned the validity of the "definitely over a million" statement, How was I to know that it would end up here?

People need to learn to argue without resorting to insult.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Jesus christ you're thick.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:People need to learn to argue without resorting to insult.

Well said Truss, I just wish some Mods would follow your advice.

Tophat needs to remember he's a moderator.........and calm it down..

rob-glos wrote:What an event this is going to be!
Biggest fight in so long...

We know Alvarez will come in big and I wondered how much bigger he is than Floyd....

Turns out he's half an inch shorter than Floyd and Floyd has a 2 inch reach advantage!!

Oh.

Alvarez is an inch taller than Floyd but Floyd has a 1.5 inch reach advantage.

Nice to see many having a u turn saying catchweights are a disgrace to boxing in the past, to have no objection to this one.

Funny what biased love can do, just saying.

Cheers Rodders

Ja, but Alvarez is "bigger", He looks like a ginger Tim Bradley during weigh-in. No way can he cut down any more. A win over Floyd then he has to move to middle weight.Naturally, he could probably campaign at SMW, but he is only 5'9, so Id be very interested to see how Canelo would fight after the Floyd fight if he wins

Cheers for the poll Seanusarrilius

Another catchweight contest. Bloomin' joke. Either at 147 or 154. No in between. But regardless Floyd will win at whatever weight.

Surely the weight difference would be too much at 154 Az? I think it's a reasonable catchweight. And honestly this is not cause I'm Floyd fan.

If it was 150 then it would've been a joke.

Its a LMW fight so why have the guys forcibly come in 2lbs below that limit. I have never liked catchweight regardless who the fighters are. If you want to be the best, beat the best without stipulations.

Az in floyd criticism shocker!

It's floyd just looking for an edge. Canelo will rehydrate to around the same weight regardless so it will make near as damn it no difference to the weight difference on fight night. Mayweather just wants to flex some negotiation muscle AND hope that Alvarez is drained by the extra 2 lbs. As fans we have to hope that Alvarez taking the fight means he's confident he can do it. History suggests such confidence is often misplaced but its only 2 lbs so fingers crossed.

Agree though az... It's annoying. Mayweather comes up trumps, but manages to leave an aftertaste. His silver linings have a cloud.

Mayweather's at his best at 147.. Canelo's at his best at 154, a fight at either weight would have either Canelo too drained or Floyd at a massive weight disadvantage. There has to be a compromise.

152 isn't even in the middle it's closer to the weight Canelo would be comfortable at and fair play to the Mexican he didn't budge cause initially Floyd wanted it at 150 (allegedly)... but I do agree with the point someone made earlier about Canelo still being at a disadvantage cause he will still have to lose some weight which is much harder.

Ja but of the fight is at LMW, why Floyds best weight being 147 relevant

milkyboy wrote:Az in floyd criticism shocker!

It's floyd just looking for an edge. Canelo will rehydrate to around the same weight regardless so it will make near as damn it no difference to the weight difference on fight night. Mayweather just wants to flex some negotiation muscle AND hope that Alvarez is drained by the extra 2 lbs. As fans we have to hope that Alvarez taking the fight means he's confident he can do it. History suggests such confidence is often misplaced but its only 2 lbs so fingers crossed.

Agree though az... It's annoying. Mayweather comes up trumps, but manages to leave an aftertaste. His silver linings have a cloud.

The rehydration i snot the issue. Its cutting weight and thus weakening him. It takes more than 24 hours to regain full strength after cutting weight lower than you need to. I criticised Pac for forcing Cotto to cut weight. If the 2lbs makes no difference, why insist on it.

Boxing is bigger than Floyd and when its all said and done, I'm a boxing fan first and foremost.

Erm read my post again az. That's kind of what I said.

milkyboy wrote:Erm read my post again az. That's kind of what I said.

Try reading much when you have a house full of 11 year olds.