--- Rating Wladimir Klitchsko ---

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My ratings

Technical Ability - 9.5, Like him or not, for a heavyweight He is technically one of the most superior boxers ever, Excellent jab and right hands also has a good left hook. standing at over 6 and a half feet the guy can box great, obviously the smaller the heavyweight is the more skill he has to have but Wlad's techinique with his size means that you wont see him beat anytime soon

Defence - 8, alot of WK success is down to his boxing skills but you can't overlook his size when it comes to defense. Like his brother he uses his size to lean back and get out out punching range, he is light on his feet and that accompanied with his size means he can effortlessly move out of range, when an opponent closes him down although he is very negative and boring, he is very effective with clinching.

Offence -7, in this catagory Wlad can be much better than he is, but for one reason or another (could be low confidence in chin or just poor mentality) he is not that good here and was much better in his younger days. Example of his offence not being great would be in the haye fight - sure the Klit fans would cry that haye was too defencive but if Wlad was a great offencive fighter he would get him out of there, if haye did that vs Louis he would be out inside 5.

Footwork - 9, this in my opinion is a area where his ability is overlooked. He has great physical advantages over his opponents yes, but without excellent footwork and a poor chin people would find him and KO him, he is able to close of a ring when needed and is excellent backing away and getting out of range, Always in balance and always composed because of this .

Accuracy - 8, He has good accuracy but not great. He has very accurate jab and right hand but level of competition has to be looked at, he hasn't really faced an opponent who is exactly hard to hit, when he did in haye WK did not have the same succes he usually has.

Power - 9, He has great power - he has very powerful jab, right hand and left hook, tools that could have made him a very exciting fighter, but lack of aggressive mentality has meant it's rare you see Klitcshko take out an opponent before round 10, overmatched opponents are able to go 10 but that doesn't reflect WK's power, as he only throws few right hands per round and a even rare left hook before 10.

Speed - 7, he has excellent speed for a heavyweight of his size, but this ratings are not done to size its done to division, so although for his size its excellent as a heavyweight overall it doesn't compare that well, but its still very good. He can throw quick jabs and right hands, also good quick left hooks - all with power. But he isn't the fastest and not close.

Versatility - 6, He is able to both Box and if he wanted he would be able to brawl like his early days, but that's not how he fights now, meaning he only boxes and can only box - doesn' have confidence in his chin to trade punches.

Stamina - 7, He is able to go full 12 no problem, but he has no one to push him, he doesn't have a really high work rate so you can't know what's his limit, he in his prime takes very few punches and hasn't been in a fight where he needed to find his second wind - doesn't show how good is stamina is, but rather the lack of solid competition there is, meaning no one to push him out of his comfort zone and over his limit. He did gas against purity

Heart - 7.5, He showed tremendous heart to come back from 3 KO losses and was floored 3 times against peter in the first fight, a fight many said it was not if but a when WK is going to get KO'd. But at his peak he is head and shoulders above his competetion, only his brother stand with him. Yet the man refuses to open up and be aggressive and give the boxing fans excitement, being the Heavyweight Champion of the world, he has the power to make boxing mainstream again, but to do that you need explosive KO's - something WK refuses - not can't- to deliver. E.g. against haye he didn't really let his hands go, sure haye was defensive and fought poorly, but if you're a great with KO power, you should be able to take a guy like Haye out, that fight showed two guys who didn't want to risk going for it, for the fear of getting KO'd.

Chin - 4.5, his chin is bad, just bad, terrible. I don't criticize people's all that often because the often get hit with excellent punches leading people to believe and say that that KO victim has a glass chin, ignoring the Great punch and not giving credit to the fighter delivering the punch. But I can't defend WK, the man has no chin, he gets hit and he panics, he has KO'd 3 times and not by fighter with solid punching power (apart from Saunders). David Haye, a cruiserweight puncher, stunned him with a normal overhand right in the 12th, Wach seemed to stun him also, his excellent defence and poor competition often hides his chin.

Physical Attributes - 10, Do I really need to explain. Many times after the fight I read comments saying Klitchsko was too big, I don't agree with this - he beats his opponents because he is too Skilled, Of course his size has a lot to do with it but it's not the main aspect. WK is excellent and controlling range and fighting to his strengths, his footwork and defensive technique of pulling back means the opponents more often than not fall short of there target. This isn't a rating of size, it's a rating of how the individual uses it, for example Paul Williams would not get that high of a rating although physically he was a freak of nature, he didn't use it - unlike Wladimir

Overall - 8

Some attributes are missing though such as Cut/Swelling resistance and ring IQ etc...

For me he is a top 15 Heavyweight and a Solid HOF fighter.

TheMackemMawler wrote:Thus far I've only read the first line of the OP and no comments.....9.5 technical ability? Tactical ability perhaps but not technical ability.

.... actually tactical ability considers adaptability, therefore he'd score low on this element too.

If we marked him on the ability to execute One Particular Tactical Plan very well then he'd score 9.5.

thats ridiculous, Wlad is a great technician, he is one of the best all time at heavyweights when it comes to pure technique, his punches are perfect textbook style, all future big heavyweights should try to copy his technique

Wlads jab and straight right might be up there with the best. However the rest of his punching arsenal is not neccessarily. He has an ok lead left hook at times maybe, but not up there with the greatest Right hooks? Body punching? Uppercuts? Overhands? Combinations? By no means a 9.5 with Wlad.

I think Mackems point is correct in that he he maybe a 9.5 within a limited scope of technical ability - jab, right cross, one-twos. Outside of that though he is quite inflexible.

Seems a deal has been struck between Wlad and Povetkin on the drug testing. Wlad is being tested by the German Agency NADA while Povetkin will be tested at the Russian testing agency RUSADA.


All seems a bit silly to me but if it means the fight goes ahead so be it.

KO-KING wrote:My ratings

Technical Ability - 9.5, Like him or not, for a heavyweight He is technically one of the most superior boxers ever, Excellent jab and right hands also has a good left hook. standing at over 6 and a half feet the guy can box great, obviously the smaller the heavyweight is the more skill he has to have but Wlad's techinique with his size means that you wont see him beat anytime soon

Someone who lacks the technical ability to throw a 'proper uppercut' devoid of head movement and throw's a body shot without bending at the knees can not be considered technically well-formed. The punches he throws - he throws text book, the defensive subtleties he employs - flawless.

I'd be hard pushed to prescribe wlad to any young fighter wanting to learn to throw an uppercut, rolling, bobbing, philly-shell etc. Too many gaps in proficiency to be ascribed a rating of 9.5.

KO-KING wrote:Defence - 8, alot of WK success is down to his boxing skills but you can't overlook his size when it comes to defense. Like his brother he uses his size to lean back and get out out punching range, he is light on his feet and that accompanied with his size means he can effortlessly move out of range, when an opponent closes him down although he is very negative and boring, he is very effective with clinching.

Depends on how you rate defense. A true defensive great would combine foot, hand and trunk defenses. Wlad relies on a pawing lead hand, a push off and clinching. It is extremely effective but relies on size and strength rather than defensive genius. Also, Wlad never leans back in the same sense as what Vitali does.

KO-KING wrote: Offence -7, in this catagory Wlad can be much better than he is, but for one reason or another (could be low confidence in chin or just poor mentality) he is not that good here and was much better in his younger days. Example of his offence not being great would be in the haye fight - sure the Klit fans would cry that haye was too defencive but if Wlad was a great offencive fighter he would get him out of there, if haye did that vs Louis he would be out inside 5

Difficult to score in the traditional because he rarely opens up and instead he uses a halfhearted offense as an effective defense. When he chooses he finishes which is testament to his offense, accuracy and power.

KO-KING wrote: Footwork - 9, this in my opinion is a area where his ability is overlooked. He has great physical advantages over his opponents yes, but without excellent footwork and a poor chin people would find him and KO him, he is able to close of a ring when needed and is excellent backing away and getting out of range, Always in balance and always composed because of this.

Effective and efficient without being fancy. Factor in his size and it's very good.

KO-KING wrote:Accuracy - 8, He has good accuracy but not great. He has very accurate jab and right hand but level of competition has to be looked at, he hasn't really faced an opponent who is exactly hard to hit, when he did in haye WK did not have the same succes he usually has.

It's unfair to discredit his accuracy due to the standard of his opposition. Eddie chambers and Chris Byrd are not the easiest guy to catch clean. Does waste shots, always lands. Great accuracy which makes opponents look like defensive halfwits.

KO-KING wrote: Power - 9, He has great power - he has very powerful jab, right hand and left hook, tools that could have made him a very exciting fighter, but lack of aggressive mentality has meant it's rare you see Klitcshko take out an opponent before round 10, overmatched opponents are able to go 10 but that doesn't reflect WK's power, as he only throws few right hands per round and a even rare left hook before 10.

Great power.

KO-KING wrote: Speed - 7, he has excellent speed for a heavyweight of his size, but this ratings are not done to size its done to division, so although for his size its excellent as a heavyweight overall it doesn't compare that well, but its still very good. He can throw quick jabs and right hands, also good quick left hooks - all with power. But he isn't the fastest and not close.

Deceptively quick (manifest in his accuracy).

KO-KING wrote:Versatility - 6, He is able to both Box and if he wanted he would be able to brawl like his early days, but that's not how he fights now, meaning he only boxes and can only box - doesn' have confidence in his chin to trade punches.

Average is average 5 out of Ten. Wlad is far from average. To be truly versatile you need to be in possession of the full array of offensive and defensive capabilities - complimented by technically proficiency - in all aspects. Choosing to box a certain way is sensible but being unable to utilise an alternative means - when circumstances dictate - is the definition of boxing rigidity.

KO-KING wrote: Stamina - 7, He is able to go full 12 no problem, but he has no one to push him, he doesn't have a really high work rate so you can't know what's his limit, he in his prime takes very few punches and hasn't been in a fight where he needed to find his second wind - doesn't show how good is stamina is, but rather the lack of solid competition there is, meaning no one to push him out of his comfort zone and over his limit. He did gas against purity

His stamina is sufficient to last 12 rounds but at the pace that HE dictates. I suspect this disguises the stamina issues he may have and one of the reasons for his selected fighting style.

KO-KING wrote: Heart - 7.5, He showed tremendous heart to come back from 3 KO losses and was floored 3 times against peter in the first fight, a fight many said it was not if but a when WK is going to get KO'd. But at his peak he is head and shoulders above his competetion, only his brother stand with him. Yet the man refuses to open up and be aggressive and give the boxing fans excitement, being the Heavyweight Champion of the world, he has the power to make boxing mainstream again, but to do that you need explosive KO's - something WK refuses - not can't- to deliver. E.g. against haye he didn't really let his hands go, sure haye was defensive and fought poorly, but if you're a great with KO power, you should be able to take a guy like Haye out, that fight showed two guys who didn't want to risk going for it, for the fear of getting KO'd

Can't really knock his heart. His decision not to engage is less about heart and more to do with intelligence. His unwillingness to push himself to the maximum may be seen as a heart issue.

KO-KING wrote:Chin - 4.5, his chin is bad, just bad, terrible. I don't criticize people's all that often because the often get hit with excellent punches leading people to believe and say that that KO victim has a glass chin, ignoring the Great punch and not giving credit to the fighter delivering the punch. But I can't defend WK, the man has no chin, he gets hit and he panics, he has KO'd 3 times and not by fighter with solid punching power (apart from Saunders). David Haye, a cruiserweight puncher, stunned him with a normal overhand right in the 12th, Wach seemed to stun him also, his excellent defence and poor competition often hides his chin.

This is one of the biggest exaggerations in boxing. Wlad has taken big shots throughout his career. When he's fatigued they effect him most. 7 is a fair assessment of his chin. The guy has never been flat out knocked unconscious.

KO-KING wrote: Physical Attributes - 10, Do I really need to explain. Many times after the fight I read comments saying Klitchsko was too big, I don't agree with this - he beats his opponents because he is too Skilled, Of course his size has a lot to do with it but it's not the main aspect. WK is excellent and controlling range and fighting to his strengths, his footwork and defensive technique of pulling back means the opponents more often than not fall short of there target. This isn't a rating of size, it's a rating of how the individual uses it, for example Paul Williams would not get that high of a rating although physically he was a freak of nature, he didn't use it - unlike Wladimir

Nothing to add.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Surprised nobody has read my comment

Neediest post of the day jabby. Not feeling the love today fella?

Don't be too disappointed. Generally, when someone says 'good post' on here, It normally means they think you've just plagiarised an earlier post of theirs

Those compliments you've subsequently got look a bit sympathetic now. Regardless it was a good post.

(and echoes sentiments I've made myself many a time )

In that above post i meant 'doesn't waste shots' rather than 'does waste shots, never misses'.

I'm with you Macksy............More technical ability than Ali..........

A plodder that fights with his chin............

Lamotta had more technical ability than Robinson too.

Haha saw through me Milky! Just seems that sometimes much more is given to those who are short, sharp and damning with their comments than genuinely engaging sometimes.

Anyway - I'm not sure where I sit on the technical ability side of things. I can appreciate that a Gold Medalist Amateur would have a lot of technique, and watching him he does have an excellent jab, straight right - but honestly what punches can we say he has in his arsenal other than that? Ali had them all. In terms of one dimensional technique, Wlad is better, but in terms of all around, footwork, speed, adaptability etc - I'd say that Ali wins hands down. Not to say Wlad is poor, but I'd rate him around an 8/9 and Ali at 9.5.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Haha saw through me Milky! .

Not for the first time..

He has outstanding speed, athleticisim, mobility, power and technique ratios for a man of his physical size.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Haha saw through me Milky! .

Not for the first time..

Back to your toys

Couldn't resist Mate..

You never can, I'm like the forbidden fruit!

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Haha saw through me Milky! Just seems that sometimes much more is given to those who are short, sharp and damning with their comments than genuinely engaging sometimes.

DRAMATISE.... your..... presentation. THE VERBOSE....amongst us find our best work often...... over-looked.
I share your pain..... FACT

Maybe I should start using terminology like SCHOOLED or SHOT when referring to fights/boxers.

I made an entrance in the most dramatic way, being overly dramatic as it turns out....wasn't the best thing to do!

Either Klitschko being top 15 is a joke

You're a bit of a joke mate if you can't appreciate a heavyweight who has reigned nearly 10 years undefeated who made the best British Heavyweight in the last 10 years look silly.

Well, a lot of a joke.

I agree with Mackem's assessment entirely, very good post MM.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:You're a bit of a joke mate if you can't appreciate a heavyweight who has reigned nearly 10 years undefeated who made the best British Heavyweight in the last 10 years look silly.

Well, a lot of a joke.

He is an average boxer that was knocked out by journeymen. He is no great. His style is awful. Jab Jab run. He is afraid to take a punch and boxes like a wimp. Even against men he is far bigger than like Haye. There isnt a hope in hell he would beat any of the greats. Laughable what would happen to him if he fought like that against Foreman, Frazier, Marciano Tyson or really great heavyweights that would come to knock him out. Hes a big scaredy cat that boxes at a distance using long arms to jab away at his opponents.

A agree Winchester. I think Wlad should stand with his hands round his waste and trade with guys and get knocked out.

Rowley wrote:A agree Winchester. I think Wlad should stand with his hands round his waste and trade with guys and get knocked out.

Thats what would happen. He would try to jab away at them but they would eat him alive.

I knew Winchester couldnt resist a thread rating Wlad...

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:A agree Winchester. I think Wlad should stand with his hands round his waste and trade with guys and get knocked out.

Thats what would happen. He would try to jab away at them but they would eat him alive.

Like against sanders..

Welcome back Jeff

It isn't Rowley.........He's sticking up for a modern fighter..

To say Marciano would be able to beat Wlad easily is absolutely insane. This is a 5'10 195lb guy against a 6'7 245lb guy.

Can we please have some perspective when choosing Winchester. I agree Ali, Foreman, maybe Tyson, certainly Holmes, Lewis and others would knock him out - but please look at his current standing and his achievements.

I'd pick Witherspoon and an in shape Page and Tubbs to all beat him...

I'd pick Bruno to beat Wlad.............and maybe Vitali too..........

After seeing Bruno beat Eklund...I think his jab-right hand is enough..

Styles make fights I guess, but we have to look at this properly. Ground thats been covered I'm sure, but an almost bodybuilder-esque Bruno who was 6'3 and much closer to Wlads weight would have more success than Marciano I feel. Marciano didn't have the size. Just size, to even contend with Wlad.

Different times Jabby..........Heavyweights were smaller back then..

manos de piedra wrote:Wlads jab and straight right might be up there with the best. However the rest of his punching arsenal is not neccessarily. He has an ok lead left hook at times maybe, but not up there with the greatest Right hooks? Body punching? Uppercuts? Overhands? Combinations? By no means a 9.5 with Wlad.

I think Mackems point is correct in that he he maybe a 9.5 within a limited scope of technical ability - jab, right cross, one-twos. Outside of that though he is quite inflexible.

that for me reduces his versatility

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd pick Witherspoon and an in shape Page and Tubbs to all beat him...

I'd pick Bruno to beat Wlad.............and maybe Vitali too..........

After seeing Bruno beat Eklund...I think his jab-right hand is enough..

So would I. Prepare for the abuse from the Klitschko fan club though. Top 15 my hat.

If you are agreeing with me..I take back what I said about you...

Welcome to the board!!

whats your top 15 Winny?

Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

TheMackemMawler wrote:whats your top 15 Winny?

1. Lewis
2. Haye
3. Bruno
4. Fury
5. Our 'Enry.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:whats your top 15 Winny?

1. Lewis
2. Haye
3. Bruno
4. Fury
5. Our 'Enry.....

15 = 6 surely tophat - who's his last one?

Enzo Mac??!

kingraf wrote:Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

Did you see the trouble he gave Lewis............

TheMackemMawler wrote:

Someone who lacks the technical ability to throw a 'proper uppercut' devoid of head movement and throw's a body shot without bending at the knees can not be considered technically well-formed. The punches he throws - he throws text book, the defensive subtleties he employs - flawless.

I'd be hard pushed to prescribe wlad to any young fighter wanting to learn to throw an uppercut, rolling, bobbing, philly-shell etc. Too many gaps in proficiency to be ascribed a rating of 9.5.

Wlad Does use head movement, leaning back requires technique, that is also head movement - just backwards. By bending his knees he would give up his height advantage, one of the things Manny Stewart said you should never do, he also said that was one of cotto's main issue's, he gave up any height he had when going to the body

Depends on how you rate defense. A true defensive great would combine foot, hand and trunk defenses. Wlad relies on a pawing lead hand, a push off and clinching. It is extremely effective but relies on size and strength rather than defensive genius. Also, Wlad never leans back in the same sense as what Vitali does.

To me defence is anything that keeps you out of harms way, clinching at the right times is also defence

Difficult to score in the traditional because he rarely opens up and instead he uses a halfhearted offense as an effective defense. When he chooses he finishes which is testament to his offense, accuracy and power.


Effective and efficient without being fancy. Factor in his size and it's very good.


It's unfair to discredit his accuracy due to the standard of his opposition. Eddie chambers and Chris Byrd are not the easiest guy to catch clean. Does waste shots, always lands. Great accuracy which makes opponents look like defensive halfwits.


Great power.


Deceptively quick (manifest in his accuracy).


Average is average 5 out of Ten. Wlad is far from average. To be truly versatile you need to be in possession of the full array of offensive and defensive capabilities - complimented by technically proficiency - in all aspects. Choosing to box a certain way is sensible but being unable to utilise an alternative means - when circumstances dictate - is the definition of boxing rigidity.


His stamina is sufficient to last 12 rounds but at the pace that HE dictates. I suspect this disguises the stamina issues he may have and one of the reasons for his selected fighting style.



Can't really knock his heart. His decision not to engage is less about heart and more to do with intelligence. His unwillingness to push himself to the maximum may be seen as a heart issue.



This is one of the biggest exaggerations in boxing. Wlad has taken big shots throughout his career. When he's fatigued they effect him most. 7 is a fair assessment of his chin. The guy has never been flat out knocked unconscious.

how many have, truly been KO'd, Pacquiao was KO'd, so was Williams, both had Great chins, he doesn't react well when he gets hit, now he hardly gets hit, but even now when he does so, he seems to get stunned easily


Nothing to add.

my reply in bold, withing quote

I'm talking about him purely from a physical standpoint. He had a "fat" six-pack!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

Did you see the trouble he gave Lewis............

Lewis turned up half a sleep and still stopped Bruno, no way does guys like Bruno beat a Klitchsko, he doesnt even have a punchers chance vs Vitali, am not even a klit supporter, i actually disliked wladimir as a fighter for a long time, but you must be joking if you think bruno's of this world would beat a klitchsko

The sad thing about this thread is that I knew it would head in this direction and I still let you coax me into it, KO

KO-KING wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

Did you see the trouble he gave Lewis............

Lewis turned up half a sleep and still stopped Bruno, no way does guys like Bruno beat a Klitchsko, he doesnt even have a punchers chance vs Vitali, am not even a klit supporter, i actually disliked wladimir as a fighter for a long time, but you must be joking if you think bruno's of this world would beat a klitchsko

So Lewis turned up half asleep...Okay........

Well then so did Frazier against bugner, Bonavena and all the others you mentioned..

Geezzzzz

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:whats your top 15 Winny?

1. Lewis
2. Haye
3. Bruno
4. Fury
5. Our 'Enry.....

6.Danny Williams
7.A-force
8.Julius Francis
9.Michael Sprott
10.Mike Middleton

kingraf wrote:The sad thing about this thread is that I knew it would head in this direction and I still let you coax me into it, KO

I didn't direct it, it was everyone else

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

Did you see the trouble he gave Lewis............

Lewis turned up half a sleep and still stopped Bruno, no way does guys like Bruno beat a Klitchsko, he doesnt even have a punchers chance vs Vitali, am not even a klit supporter, i actually disliked wladimir as a fighter for a long time, but you must be joking if you think bruno's of this world would beat a klitchsko

So Lewis turned up half asleep...Okay........

Well then so did Frazier against bugner, Bonavena and all the others you mentioned..

Geezzzzz

Lewis turned up half a sleep a lot, Lewis at his best would have taken Bruno out in 4/5

KO-KING wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:Bruno??? Id put him in as favorite in a bodybuilding contest vs the Klitsckhos, Kwashiokor stomach aside.

Did you see the trouble he gave Lewis............

Lewis turned up half a sleep and still stopped Bruno, no way does guys like Bruno beat a Klitchsko, he doesnt even have a punchers chance vs Vitali, am not even a klit supporter, i actually disliked wladimir as a fighter for a long time, but you must be joking if you think bruno's of this world would beat a klitchsko

So Lewis turned up half asleep...Okay........

Well then so did Frazier against bugner, Bonavena and all the others you mentioned..

Geezzzzz

Lewis turned up half a sleep a lot, Lewis at his best would have taken Bruno out in 4/5

Tyson turned up haldf asleep against Douglas..........Turpin turned up half asleep against Robbo..........Curry was comatose against Honey.......

KO - I know you didnt, but I knew this is where it would end. And I still let you rope me into it... I'm a sucker for debates.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:


Tyson turned up haldf asleep against Douglas..........Turpin turned up half asleep against Robbo..........Curry was comatose against Honey.......

Sorry but that was not the best Tyson in the douglas fight, he was getting dropped in sparring, fighters often do turn up to fights not at their best, lewis did it when he so no threat. Roy jones got taken to decisions by bums, yet he destroyed fighters such as clinton woods

Klitschko is a to 15 and certanly a top 20 HW boxer in my eyes He has been the HW champ and unbeaten in a decade, he has beaten all challengers with ease in those 10 years. He has one of the most defences of all time for the belts.

people belittle him because he got KO'd like 15 years ago but the wlad of 2005-2013 has been unbeatable, he barely loses a round even in unification fights.

The guy is a to 15 hw