Floyd V Canelo. Why it happened, the weight, how many ppv's it will do and who wins

Here it is, a Super Dooper Fight - and on barely 4 months notice!

Very excited for this. In fact I can't wait. Some points to dicuss about the fight.

Why it happened: personally, I feel Mayweather had no other viable options. You know Guerrero didn't sell well and with $32 million guarenteed to Floyd, he needed to a big fight next, and for that there is only Canelo.

The weight: 152 is a tough weight for Canelo to get to as he is huge at weight, but he will get there and with no rehydration clause he will be fit enough to fight.

PPV buys: This fight isn't May 5th weekend, and there is an incredibly short build up for a fight of this magnitude, but I still think it does 1.8-2 million buys. It won't surpass Oscar v Floyd, not this time, but if it's entertaining and we get a May 5th rematch, who knows.

Who wins: Floyd points all day long for me. Alvarez can't out counter the master, and has low output of his own, so unless he KO's the worlds best then he is done. I just hope it is entertaining. Alvarez v Trout was surprisingly entertaining.

What are your thoughts, folks??

Can't wait

All my thoughts are on azumah's thread where it's been debated ad nauseum...

Why: pretty much spot on, Alexander isn't a draw, Khan looks rubbish, Garcia is unproven and Matthysse is still unknown and is an easy night

Weight: Guess it makes sense but its a bit hard to take given Floyd's past statements about his distaste for catch weights. He said that he viewed Cotto as unbeaten after pacquiao and said that he'd fight at 154 to face the best version possible yet not when they are close to their prime. Canelo is a big 154lber so we won't know how it'll take out of him but it will affect him. He will rehydrate though and dwarf Mayweather on the night but may be weak

PPV: 1.6mil-2.2mil, hard to gauge as Showtime doesn't have as big a pool of subscribers as HBO

This is a hard one to call for me actualy.

I certainly think its a genuine fight and one Floyd should get credit for. He usualy picks guys past their best, or at a size or weight that suits his style.

Ok I know he is a fantastic boxer but I think his timing and selection of fights make him look that bit better.

This fight he is picking a live strong fighter thats bigger than he is.

I would call this fight a close one and one where Canelo could produce a real shock. But the fact Floyd has taken this fight so quickly and easy leads me to wonder how confident he must be. Why would he all of a sudden take a risk?

Easy one to call. Floyd by landslide. Canelo can easily make the weight if he ate less fatty foods and trained harder.

Still shouldn't be catchweight though. I'd like Floyd to teach that WBC poster child a lesson.

azania wrote:Easy one to call. Floyd by landslide. Canelo can easily make the weight if he ate less fatty foods and trained harder.

Still shouldn't be catchweight though. I'd like Floyd to teach that WBC poster child a lesson.

What have you got against Canelo? He's been given a few breaks and some easy fights in the past - but now he's beaten the number 1 JMW in Trout. I'd say he's proved his level and deserves his titles. Still, Floyd will give him a lesson no doubt.

He was gifted the world title against the mighty Matty Hatton in a catchweight fight.

@152 Floyd wins.
@154 Floyd wins.

Why, especially given his previous comments, he wants to discredit this win by fighting at a catchweight god only knows.

At least Manny had the, barely plausible, excuse that he'd never fought at WW when he asked Cotto to trim 2lbs, but Floyd is a LMW world champ who's last fight but one was at the full weight!

Sad as this should be a great great win for him.

Yea I don't get why he is a champ at 154lbs but is refusing to fight another champ at that weight.

Obvious he is just looking for an advantage.

Just his ego slightly tainting what would be an awesome win and a certainty to push him into top 10.

Make it 154 and have the weigh in on the same day..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Make it 154 and have the weigh in on the same day..

why on the same day? The norm now is the day before.

So Canelo cant redyrate to 250 pounds by the next day. Agree with you there Truss - should either be on same day or checked daily in the week up to the fight - if hes not fit to fight or dehydrated then the fight won't go ahead. Only need it to happen a couple of times for people to get the message.

ShahenshahG wrote:So Canelo cant redyrate to 250 pounds by the next day. Agree with you there Truss - should either be on same day or checked daily in the week up to the fight - if hes not fit to fight or dehydrated then the fight won't go ahead. Only need it to happen a couple of times for people to get the message.

Canelo would be a SMW if that were the case.

Same day weigh-ins led to dehydration problems, and I guess it would be hard to know the hydration level of a fighter if you were doing pre-fight weight checks. I'd have thought some middle ground, where:

- a fighter had to be within a given % of the weight at key points in the run up to the fight,
- and is held to a % rehydration level on the night of the fight.

Would meet safety concerns about dropping too much wright too quickly, avoid dehydration concerns on the night, but limit the ludicrous discrepancies we get, where Canelo, for example can officially be a light middle and come in nearer light heavy.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Make it 154 and have the weigh in on the same day..

So in other words, one rule for when Floyd fights and one rule for everyone else. = still tainted.

Same rules apply as when he won his LMW strap, anything else detracts.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Make it 154 and have the weigh in on the same day..

So in other words, one rule for when Floyd fights and one rule for everyone else. = still tainted.

Same rules apply as when he won his LMW strap, anything else detracts.

You won't rate him If he beats Vitali...

Lol no, I'm just being totally even handed. If anything I'm working to Floyd's chosen parameters - catchweights invalidate fight results.

Don’t have a massive issue with catchweights as long as belts are not on the line. If the choice is between Saul dropping a couple of pounds or us watching Floyd batter Khan I choose the former.

This is a good fight, is the first opponent of Floyd’s I have been genuinely excited about in some time and the first I have given a snowball in hells chance of beating him so you’ll hear no grouchiness from me about this. That it has also come less than six months after he was last in action is also a boon

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol no, I'm just being totally even handed. If anything I'm working to Floyd's chosen parameters - catchweights invalidate fight results.

No offence but you poo poo all his victories..........call him a ducker and now after saying the only way you'd rate him is by beating canelo...You're looking for an out card!!

Just admit it you don't like him..

Floyd can't have it both ways though, he can't say that Pacqiaou's win over Cotto means nothing due to catchweight and then make a catchweight against Canelo.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Floyd can't have it both ways though, he can't say that Pacqiaou's win over Cotto means nothing due to catchweight and then make a catchweight against Canelo.

Apparently saying that makes you a Floyd hater......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Floyd can't have it both ways though, he can't say that Pacqiaou's win over Cotto means nothing due to catchweight and then make a catchweight against Canelo.

Apparently saying that makes you a Floyd hater......

You do hate on him Toppy..........Is it a fair assessment to say like you do.......That he's never fought anybody.......he's a ducker and canelo at 152 means nothing..

Come on dear boy.

None of which I've said. This is you arguing with yourself again Truss.

I've said he's nailed on Top15 ATG - hardly a damning assessment. It's only in your eyes that somehow the difference between P9 and P11 is such a chasm as to make such a placement a horrific injustice.

Just putting this out there, Mayweather claims it was Alvarez who asked for the catchweight. Cant see much reason for him doing that though, perhaps so a victory seems that little 2lbs sweeter?

Cheers not Rodders

What a crock this catchweight crud is, its all about one fighter trying to get an advantage over the other, and PBF don't need any advantage hes that good,154 is the weight limit and that's what it should be fought at.

People have always seeked an advantage..............

Size of the gloves...............
Size of the ring..................
Putting the heating up in an arena If their fighter is up against a mover....
Notice for fights............

Floyd twisting the media to cover his back, Alvarez asked for 152 only because Floyd said 147, 150 or bust

If the option was for the fight to be at 154 wouldn't you think Canelo would have taken it

The weight division limit is 154 its as simple as that,the governing bodies haven't got the bottle to call time on these catchweight fights, they all must be taking one hell of a backhander.

If the fighters agree why should the governing bodies get involved ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If the fighters agree why should the governing bodies get involved ??

Because one camp is using blackmail tactics or the fight doesn't happen, it goes something like,this is the purse your going to miss out on if you don't agree to our conditions with regard to weight limit.

Blackmail tactics???.............

He's doing Trout a favor..........How much is he getting??

AlexHuckerby wrote:Floyd can't have it both ways though, he can't say that Pacqiaou's win over Cotto means nothing due to catchweight and then make a catchweight against Canelo.

I agree. Floyd should not be adding stips to this fight. He will beat Saul at whatever weight Saul decides. Floyd is a nailed on top 10 for me but this doesn't enhance his standing. Canelo is not the type of fighter to do that anyway. More hype than substance.

Doesn't like the terms...........go and fight for 500k elsewhere..

It really is a case of the ref not wanting to upset the apple cart...Floyd wins.

A referee could easily dictate the winner of this by allowing forearms to the throat, pushes to the corner, and holding/bullying while hitting.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Doesn't like the terms...........go and fight for 500k elsewhere..

Funny you didnt take that approach when you were giving Pacquiao what for regards his matchup with Cotto, Zoomy even called Pacquaio a catchweight cheat or the old 606 for draining fighters, yet it's all gone quiet when Mayweather does it.

posters and their pet fighters.

Cheers Rodders

I'm not suggesting this win improves his legacy...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm not suggesting this win improves his legacy...

Funny because I think it's far more enhancing than beating your Guerreros and Ortiz's of the world, just wondered why you didnt stick the boot into Mayweather for this after Manny got slammed with the catchweight stick for years, uncalled for.

Cheers Rodders

Well we'll agree to disagree............

After all you're nice and objective about Floyd aren't you...and anyone else born after the Korean war..

The second boer war, get it right.

Cheers Rodders

You're never boering though Roddy!!

Not bad mate, I nearly raised a smile, the wife got worried

Cheers Rodders

Rodney wrote:The second boer war, get it right.

Cheers Rodders

Well said Rodders, anyone who wears gloves to fight is a fancy dan. Give me the Tipton Slasher or the Game Chicken over these modern guys any day of the week.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:People have always seeked an advantage..............

Size of the gloves...............
Size of the ring..................
Putting the heating up in an arena If their fighter is up against a mover....
Notice for fights............

Hmmmmmm don't remember you giving this much quarter to Manny when it was Cotto dropping 2lbs....??

cotto was at 154 was it..

I personally don’t have an issue with this being at catchweight, but did not have huge issues around Cotto and Manny being catchweight. Question how necessary it is when there are so many weight divisions but suspect that is just me being curmudgeonly. If a belt is on the line in this I will not agree with this as belts should only be on the line when both fighter can weigh in on the divisional limit.

However tophat is absolutely right in saying that anyone who criticized Manny for making Cotto make 145 should be doing likewise to Floyd here because the circumstances are pretty much the same. In fact one could argue that as Cotto was Manny’s first fight at welter he has more reason to ask for the concession than Floyd does, him having fought at light middle twice. The argument that criticizing Manny and turning a blind eye now appears a little inconsistent is one that has more than a little validity.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:cotto was at 154 was it..

Pacquiao had never had a fight at the full welterweight limit of 147 prior to Cotto, Floyd has fought at the full limit of 154 twice so its not the same

No but he had more power at 147 than 108........So he had a freak ability to move up in weight......

For some reason..

Not sure the relevance of that point......or was Floyd v Cotto not at 154 which I thought it was?

Manny, having never fought above LWW (140) required Cotto (a 147 WW) to come in 2lbs light at 145 for their catchweight fight and was widely, including by you and Zoomy, derided for it.

Now Floyd, a 154 LMW world champ has required Canelo (a 154 LMW) to drop 2lbs to 152 for a catchweight fight and you're suddenly full of excuses as to why it's ok.

I don't think I can spell it out any simpler than that (though if I've made factual errors I welcome being corrected), if you can't see the hypocrisy there then you are clearly lost in your own little PBF world.....

Rowley wrote:I personally don’t have an issue with this being at catchweight, but did not have huge issues around Cotto and Manny being catchweight.

Truss - this is called CONSISTENCY. Give it a try sometime.