606v2 is spoiling the Lions for me.....

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 17:22

....and rugby in general I think!

I know, I know: "don't effing read it then". Well, I think I will actually have to delete the app and the desktop shortcut. Honestly, when watching rugby, and a unique series like the Lions, becomes a game of one-upmanship between the nations on the same side, where fans are looking for every flaw in another nation's Lions players so that they can score points for their own, then we move further and further away from the once fabled heights of 'rugby ethics'. It's just not rugby the way people have become on this board!

606v2 is making me cross! I can't watch a game without constantly referring to the ipad to see what people are saying, and for the most part I'm left shaking my head as the general commentary involves barbs, abuse and put downs.

Time to step away before I'm turned off rugby. Sad, but true!

by GunsGerms Thu 6 Jun - 17:26

You cant expect everyone to agree with you. Its also human nature to be biased towards your own nations players. Prending otherwise is silly.

That said it is still possible to fully get behind the whole team when get on the field. As the tour wears on and the stakes become higher the fans will unite. Always do.

by **Biltong** Thu 6 Jun - 17:29

Everyone will naturally have their own opinions, the problem is the ones being smartasses.

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 17:29

I should think that the whining and moaning will stop for the Test....for about 80 mins we will all be united. then it will all start up again as we either blame Wales for losing or praise England for winning. Ireland will get ignored and Scotland will get a kicking whatever the result.

by flankertye Thu 6 Jun - 17:31

It is hard to put aside national bias when watching the lions.
During the Barbarians game I was cursing Phillips for having such a blinder, until I realised, he's playing for the team I'm rooting for!

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 6 Jun - 17:33

100%beefy wrote:I should think that the whining and moaning will stop for the Test....for about 80 mins we will all be united. then it will all start up again as we either blame Wales for losing or praise England for winning. Ireland will get ignored and Scotland will get a kicking whatever the result.

Very true Beefy. Unless the game is lost due to referring howlers (actual or perceived Wink

) or foul play by an Aussie.

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 6 Jun - 17:34

Could be worse. The Lions are spoiling 606v2 for me. NZ plays France this Saturday and it barely raises a mention. Very Happy

by jimmyinthewell68 Thu 6 Jun - 17:35

i like reading other peoples thoughts Im not that knowledgeable with in depth rugby but i know the basics but i do miss things happening at scrums , so reading peoples views is a learning curve . that said tho some people do talk botox Very Happy

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 6 Jun - 17:36

Talking botox. Laugh

Love it. Is that when someone says something and elicits this response. Shocked

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 17:38

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:
100%beefy wrote:I should think that the whining and moaning will stop for the Test....for about 80 mins we will all be united. then it will all start up again as we either blame Wales for losing or praise England for winning. Ireland will get ignored and Scotland will get a kicking whatever the result.

Very true Beefy. Unless the game is lost due to referring howlers (actual or perceived ) or foul play by an Aussie.

quite right, and i expect wayne barnes will have an impact in some way even though he is probably not even in Australia

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 6 Jun - 17:39

100%beefy wrote:
Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:
100%beefy wrote:I should think that the whining and moaning will stop for the Test....for about 80 mins we will all be united. then it will all start up again as we either blame Wales for losing or praise England for winning. Ireland will get ignored and Scotland will get a kicking whatever the result.

Very true Beefy. Unless the game is lost due to referring howlers (actual or perceived ) or foul play by an Aussie.

quite right, and i expect wayne barnes will have an impact in some way even though he is probably not even in Australia

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 6 Jun - 17:40

Don't laugh Pete. He's reffing the test this Saturday.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 6 Jun - 17:41

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Don't laugh Pete. He's reffing the test this Saturday.

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 17:57

While praising the English obviously we will have to acknowledge the Pacific Islands too.

by Feckless Rogue Thu 6 Jun - 18:02

Spoiler:

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 19:08

Feckless Rogue wrote:
Spoiler:

Ha ha! Very true. I think maybe I've become a bit obsessed with the site! Reading more than posting. Although I do post a bit.

I think back to the other Lions tours before 606 (or before I used 606 to be more precise) and they seemed much more enjoyable and less 'aggro'. Probably as I never heard the views of other B&I fans, apart from mates from those countries. They seem like easier times....!

by The Saint Thu 6 Jun - 20:00

I share your thoughts Griff. The amount vitriol aimed at Wales and our players is unnecessary, but it's been happening since before the 6 Nations from a certain two nations. Now that the Lions is underway another nation has jumped on and aimed theirs at Lydiate. Can you guess who? Whistle

by Knackeredknees Thu 6 Jun - 20:19

100%beefy wrote:While praising the English obviously we will have to acknowledge the Pacific Islands too.

That is true beefy
We must also give credit to England South Africa and the Pacific Islands when slating the Welsh

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 20:28

Knackeredknees wrote:
100%beefy wrote:While praising the English obviously we will have to acknowledge the Pacific Islands too.

That is true beefy
We must also give credit to England South Africa and the Pacific Islands when slating the Welsh

by t1000advancedprototype Thu 6 Jun - 20:28

The amount of moaning on here about the lions is ridiculous and also posters constantly slagging off other posters.

Not naming any names bluesmancometh.

Oh no Matthew Wright John Leslie moment! Well that slag Ulrika was asking for it!

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 20:32

t1000advancedprototype wrote:The amount of moaning on here about the lions is ridiculous and also posters constantly slagging off other posters.

Not naming any names bluesmancometh.

Oh no Matthew Wright John Leslie moment! Well that slag Ulrika was asking for it!

ok, so i think your polls are funny

let's put one to you....

is joking about r***

a. ignorant
b. inappropriate
c. immature
d. mysoginy
e. any of the above

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 20:37

100%beefy wrote:
t1000advancedprototype wrote:The amount of moaning on here about the lions is ridiculous and also posters constantly slagging off other posters.

Not naming any names bluesmancometh.

Oh no Matthew Wright John Leslie moment! Well that slag Ulrika was asking for it!

ok, so i think your polls are funny

let's put one to you....

is joking about r***

a. ignorant
b. inappropriate
c. immature
d. mysoginy
e. any of the above

by The Saint Thu 6 Jun - 20:39

beefy, I think you take yourself too seriously sometimes. It's only the internet.

by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 6 Jun - 20:40

606v2 couldn't spoil the Lions anymore than Gatland or Rowntree already have...

Run

that was a joke BTW devil

by t1000advancedprototype Thu 6 Jun - 20:43

A lot of people take this too seriously it's absurd.

by SecretFly Thu 6 Jun - 20:46

Griff, aren't you the guy who wrote the thread: "2 Lions games. How do you compare them?"

And didn't you write in that thread: "So which Lions team did better? The one that beat the team full of internationals (baa baas) or the one who beat a club side. Not sure myself. I think the Baa Baas game was better from a Lions point of view."

So, given that we all know (and it was clearly published in the media) that the majority of the first team that played against the Baa-Baas was Welsh players, and that the majority of the second team that played Force was Irish (something also clearly published in the media), that thread becomes, and actually did 'humourously' decend into, a comparison of Nations within the Lions framework.

If the 'one upmanship' makes your tummy grumble, then perhaps shy away from comparison articles based on national numbers in any given Lions team on any given day?

by thebluesmancometh Thu 6 Jun - 21:00

Griff mate, I understand where your coming from, I go through times where I barely have time to pop on, but recently Ive become a bit obsessed with 606v2, but I think there is a difference between genuine difference of opinions in true and passionate posters, I refer you to the vast majority of Scottish posters and a number of Irish ones too, and the garbage brought on here by people trying to annoy, derail threads and harass.

I have a bit of a rating system in my head with regards to posters, where I generally only bother reading and responding to posters worthy of it (although we all get dragged into the trench at times), if I were you I would highlight posters you respect and just bother with them ahem...

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 21:28

SecretFly wrote:Griff, aren't you the guy who wrote the thread: "2 Lions games. How do you compare them?"

And didn't you write in that thread: "So which Lions team did better? The one that beat the team full of internationals (baa baas) or the one who beat a club side. Not sure myself. I think the Baa Baas game was better from a Lions point of view."

So, given that we all know (and it was clearly published in the media) that the majority of the first team that played against the Baa-Baas was Welsh players, and that the majority of the second team that played Force was Irish (something also clearly published in the media), that thread becomes, and actually did 'humourously' decend into, a comparison of Nations within the Lions framework.

If the 'one upmanship' makes your tummy grumble, then perhaps shy away from comparison articles based on national numbers in any given Lions team on any given day?

The article was not written based on national numbers. The whole point of that article I wrote was to ask fellow posters whether playing a against a team of top internationals with numerous caps thrown together with little preparation (Baa Baas) was more of a test/more difficult than playing a team of lesser players (non international standard for the most part - Western Force) but by nature of being a club side are familiar with each other and more settled and know the defensive moves better, etc. And whether/how comparison was possible in rugby terms. A bit like the old 'would leicester beat England' or 'would munster beat Ireland' debates. I was genuinely interested in which would/should be more difficult in the pro era.

In other words it was a 'proper' discussion topic. At least it was intended to be. Your interpretation of my post sort of proves the point of this current thread in that no one can have a serious conversation on here without the post being twisted into a country/numbers arm wrestle. Thanks for proving that though. Top man.

by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 6 Jun - 21:31

thebluesmancometh wrote: I think there is a difference between genuine difference of opinions in true and passionate posters, I refer you to the vast majority of Scottish posters and a number of Irish ones too, and the garbage brought on here by people trying to annoy, derail threads and harass.

Blues, quite frankly I'm hurt. You cut me real deep with this comment Sad

by flyhalffactory Thu 6 Jun - 21:34

The Saint wrote:I share your thoughts Griff. The amount vitriol aimed at Wales and our players is unnecessary, but it's been happening since before the 6 Nations from a certain two nations. Now that the Lions is underway another nation has jumped on and aimed theirs at Lydiate. Can you guess who?

You know what gets my goat boys...........

* Are the posters on here who accuse one particular nation of whining and destroying the Lions series for them..... when the reality is most of that nations posters have posted messages with "meat on the bone" (articulate analysis and reasoning). That what kills most of that other nations posters......... statement backed up with valid reasoning.

* All the posters of one particular nation will be 100% behind the Lions even if all three of our boys don't get selected, another fickle nation would be pouting and not even contributing apart from WUMMING if the boot was on the other foot

But don't worry Griff et al, it might be even worse if the ~~Wales~~ B&I Lions continue the international losing steak the same time as Grant/Brown/Barclay etc al put in a massive tour performance against Samoa / SA / Italy around the same time.

by thebluesmancometh Thu 6 Jun - 21:40

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote: I think there is a difference between genuine difference of opinions in true and passionate posters, I refer you to the vast majority of Scottish posters and a number of Irish ones too, and the garbage brought on here by people trying to annoy, derail threads and harass.

Blues, quite frankly I'm hurt. You cut me real deep with this comment

RR

Mate I can feel the frustration through the keyboard at times with you, and thats part of what I love about 606v2, I'm eluding to the broken record posters who play out the same old proven tagline that they know will insight hatred toward their supposed nation!

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 21:42

Secretfly,

Here's the key bit of my post:

"Game 1 was against big international players, many of them world class, although just the like the Lions they have been thrown together with little preparation to work on plays and moves.

Game 2 was against a side with only a few internationals and the rest club players but as a club side they are fairly settled and know the moves as practiced over the course of a season or two. Defensive patterns will have been learned and players will have been familiar with each other."

I'm comparing and contrasting the two to generate debate about which is hardest for a touring team and against which would we find out most? My reason for choosing the Baa Baas games was not due to the number of welsh. It was due to the quality of the opposition regardless of the fact that they had been thrown together (like the Lions). The Lions front row did pretty well against a front row of international class - Paul James (Wales best scrummaging loose head IMO), Schalk Britz, Castro. The Lions front row against force were up against 'lesser' players arguably so this is an example of areas where the Lions players did better in the first game (IMO obviously). The backrow faced the likes Harinordiquay and Parisse when the Force Lions faced less experienced but more familiar (with each other) players.

Just a question. No more.

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 21:44

flyhalffactory wrote:
The Saint wrote:I share your thoughts Griff. The amount vitriol aimed at Wales and our players is unnecessary, but it's been happening since before the 6 Nations from a certain two nations. Now that the Lions is underway another nation has jumped on and aimed theirs at Lydiate. Can you guess who?

You know what gets my goat boys...........

* Are the posters on here who accuse one particular nation of whining and destroying the Lions series for them..... when the reality is most of that nations posters have posted messages with "meat on the bone" (articulate analysis and reasoning). That what kills most of that other nations posters......... statement backed up with valid reasoning.

* All the posters of one particular nation will be 100% behind the Lions even if all three of our boys don't get selected, another fickle nation would be pouting and not even contributing apart from WUMMING if the boot was on the other foot

But don't worry Griff et al, it might be even worse if the ~~Wales~~ B&I Lions continue the international losing steak the same time as Grant/Brown/Barclay etc al put in a massive tour performance against Samoa / SA / Italy around the same time.

Exactly my point fellow posters. You're f@cking up my thread now. Please, stop the name calling and arguing. Start your own thread if you want to. Don't do it here.

That goes for you too Saint/Morgannwg.

Edit: and t100000

by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 6 Jun - 21:53

Blues, I was joking mate Wink

The thing is, this is an internet forum. The whole point of it is to discuss, debate and most importantly read. What I love about it is how diverse the forum is and how many different opinions are kicking about out there. I don't always agree with other posters and they don't always agree with me. However through GOOD debate and discussion I hope to learn more about rugby and see the situations I am commenting on from a different perspective, changing my opinion and at the same time hoping my opinions change the perceptions of others.

Hug

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 6 Jun - 21:55

Ah, so Saint is Morgannwg. Explains a lot then. Laugh

Personally, I am enjoying watching the Lions. Regardless of some of the crap posted on here.

by SecretFly Thu 6 Jun - 21:58

Griff wrote:

In other words it was a 'proper' discussion topic. At least it was intended to be. Your interpretation of my post sort of proves the point of this current thread in that no one can have a serious conversation on here without the post being twisted into a country/numbers arm wrestle. Thanks for proving that though. Top man.

Go over that thread, Griff, and check out where it went and the kinds of people who dragged it where it didn't need to go. And I knew it would go there because the title, considering the highly published truth of the make-up of both teams, meant that it would always go there.

You're not ignorant of how threads work or how they're 'interpreted', Griff - you're long enough here. You published the article, I didn't twist your thread down a route you didn't want to go, but certain contributors to an obvious lure thread did. They chase down threads like your one, Griff, because they knew the difference was more than the quality of the opposition but also in the majority make-up of both Lions teams.

You gave a few guys with guns the bullets. Lions is a sensitive issue. It can't be anything else. This isn't an ideal world, and truly, which one of us would want an ideal world. You're Welsh and proud of it - the Lions is a compilation side of four proud Nations. It's always going to be difficult to discuss the Lions without some people taking offence.

Sensitivity to offence being taken (as much as is humanly possible) will make 606V2 an easier place to be for the duration of the Lions. Tough to do I know, but there you go. The Lions by definition is as divisive as it is uniting.

by flyhalffactory Thu 6 Jun - 22:09

The problem is Griff

You'll find very few times when a Scottish poster has instigated a moment of antagonism. When we have talked about Grant Brown been included we have provided reasoning and then we get rubbish coming back not mature ripostes. Many of us could blatantly state that Laidlaw was the most accurate kicker and we would need that for the Lions, Barclay came bang back to form in April and was close MOM when the Os visited Glasgow Visser was the try machine of the Rabbo Direct for the last few seasons etc etc

But we didn't we said we expected five players to go and fully justified it with valid reasoning and with mature examples, yes we would have been delighted with six but would have been embarrassed with seven or more.

A few of us have advocated Lydiate, few of us picked Biggar instead of Farrell, and many of us have stated Ryan Jones to tour.......... I would say majority of scottish posters have been balanced.

Yet we have been cast as winging, petty, antagonistic posters with no right to challenge Gatland selection and when we do we are spoiling it for posters who don't want to be reminded that there just might be more deserving players

There is no name calling by the way from me, it was a generalisation based a history of nationalistic ping pong from certain posters...... and unfortunately to my shame I have let myself down by been dragged into it too many times.

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 22:10

So how would you discuss that topic Fly (my international baa baas v club players question). How would you have gone about it on here? Not start threads at all? There'd be no doscussion. I'm still genuinely interested in the topic. I guess proper rugby conversation should be kept to the pub and the fights should be kept to 606? Sounds a bit backwards to me!

606 is a bit like the swanky bar in town. It starts off well with all the nice people going there, it thus becomes popular so attracts a lot more people and soon all of the worst of society want in as well. The decent people leave and what's left are the bottom feeders who love a good fight. That's what happened to the old 606 and I see echoes of that here.

by flyhalffactory Thu 6 Jun - 22:13

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Ah, so Saint is Morgannwg. Explains a lot then.

Personally, I am enjoying watching the Lions. Regardless of some of the crap posted on here.

Ahhhhh I see........ that explains a lot. Morgannwg disappears into the darkness and reappears as Saint

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 6 Jun - 22:17

He's banned - no idea why he's been allowed back?

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 22:17

flyhalffactory wrote:The problem is Griff

You'll find very few times when a Scottish poster has instigated a moment of antagonism. When we have talked about Grant Brown been included we have provided reasoning and then we get rubbish coming back not mature ripostes. Many of us could blatantly state that Laidlaw was the most accurate kicker and we would need that for the Lions, Barclay came bang back to form in April and was close MOM when the Os visited Glasgow Visser was the try machine of the Rabbo Direct for the last few seasons etc etc

But we didn't we said we expected five players to go and fully justified it with valid reasoning and with mature examples, yes we would have been delighted with six but would have been embarrassed with seven or more.

A few of us have advocated Lydiate, few of us picked Biggar instead of Farrell, and many of us have stated Ryan Jones to tour.......... I would say majority of scottish posters have been balanced.

Yet we have been cast as winging, petty, antagonistic posters with no right to challenge Gatland selection and when we do we are spoiling it for posters who don't want to be reminded that there just might be more deserving players

There is no name calling by the way from me, it was a generalisation based a history of nationalistic ping pong from certain posters...... and unfortunately to my shame I have let myself down by been dragged into it too many times.

Fly, I started this post to voice my distain at posters from all 4 nations. I'm fed up of us all doing it including my own countrymen. But again you've started mentioning Wales and then childishly crossing it out and replacing it with B&I, and now counter with the Scotland talk about how 'your' posters are different to others. You're therefore to blame for almost turning this into another slanging match, whether intentional or not. Please stop the mud throwing.

by Guest Thu 6 Jun - 22:21

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:He's banned - no idea why he's been allowed back?

It's unlikely he has, as I suspect he isn't twp enough to call himself The Saint, when that was one of the names he utilised on old 606. That said, Hersh came back as a Bath supporter again, so I guess it is possible to not hide your cover too well and get away with it.

by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 6 Jun - 22:22

Gotta be careful labeling posters guys.

by The Saint Thu 6 Jun - 22:28

Griff wrote:

Fly, I started this post to voice my distain at posters from all 4 nations. I'm fed up of us all doing it including my own countrymen. But again you've started mentioning Wales and then childishly crossing it out and replacing it with B&I, and now counter with the Scotland talk about how 'your' posters are different to others. You're therefore to blame for almost turning this into another slanging match, whether intentional or not. Please stop the mud throwing.

I did this the other day. I voiced my distain at posters slagging Phillips, Lydiate and Farrell and was no doubt attacked for making an honest point. As you can see this thread has descended into anti-wales bickering again with yet more unprovoked comments from the usual nationalists.
Doh

by Breadvan Thu 6 Jun - 22:29

We can all whinge about selections. I've done it and tried to defend players from getting grief on here ( Farrell *cough*) and have our own national preferences but when it comes to the actual games? No chance. We're all in this together lads...

by RubyGuby Thu 6 Jun - 22:30

Where is the love?

by 100%beefy Thu 6 Jun - 22:30

look i am a proud welshman and have my spats with various posters on here.

i love POC and BOD, feel somewhat sorry for Healy, i think Farrell is a chump sometimes and Croft bloody awesome, I think Lydiate is lucky to be on tour , Jenkins a special case and Sam questionable as skipper. Cuthbert trumps North on form and Tuilagi can do more than Roberts, Maitland could be my bolter and I want Gray to partner POC (have done for 2 years) I want Tips to oust Sam and BOD to take a Test as skipper. I think Stevens is over rated now.

Basically I am a proud Brit right now and don't give a toss what country these guys are from, they are British and Irish Lions and we are British and Irish fans.

Peace guys, lets do battle on the pitch. zen

by SecretFly Thu 6 Jun - 22:31

Griff wrote:So how would you discuss that topic Fly (my international baa baas v club players question). How would you have gone about it on here? Not start threads at all? There'd be no doscussion. I'm still genuinely interested in the topic. I guess proper rugby conversation should be kept to the pub and the fights should be kept to 606? Sounds a bit backwards to me!

Write it just as you wrote it, Griff. I don't see 606 as a problem. I don't see any need for censorship. I see it as something you can indulge in or not; and you can even float through a disruptive thread and still have a normal respectful conversation with someone else right in the heart of it...ignoring all the fire-fights around you. That's possible.

I'm not saying the articles or smart-ass comments shouldn't be there. But I and many others will continue to reserve the right to respond to smarmy one-upmanships and put-downers within any threads they appear. That's all part of the good clean fun of interesting and passionate debate and funny 'banter'.

But I'm suggesting to you, if you're the one concerned about where posts often go, then be careful you don't feed the piranhas. Lions threads will attract people from all four Nations and if they see a chance to gloat or a chance to moan, they'll do so.

by flyhalffactory Thu 6 Jun - 22:31

Ok Griff, I'll roll with this.

I am not going to tell you to read the whole of the post reply......

White flag and slate wiped clean.

We both (as are most of our English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh cousins) are British Lions by heart.

Just remember your statement Griff in all the excitement of the coming weeks selections.

by SecretFly Thu 6 Jun - 22:32

I'm FLY!!!!!!

Call that other guy Factory!!!

I don't want people thinking I said things I didn't say...I get in enough trouble! Wink

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