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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 5:54 am

First topic message reminder :

Made me long for the heady days of Hopkins/Calzaghe!!!

Off to bed, no further comment to make on that snore-fest except to say that Mayweather should sign to fight Manny IMMEDIATELY


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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:23 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:I honestly don't give Pacquiao a chance in hell of beating Pryor at 140lbs, he'd get walked down and battered senseless for round after round before getting stopped, Pacquiao is no Alexis Arguello and we all saw how that one finished.

Not a bright move to go down the route of drug accusations when Pacquiao is involved is it really

Pryor would have come to fight and that would have been the type of fight Pacquiao would have loved and excelled in.

And lost by 6 round KO.

But Pacquiao has beifited from modern nutrition and training thumbsup

Same as Pryor drank (allegedly).

Think you will find Pacquiao incorpartes scientific methods in his training light years ahead of what Pryor was doing.

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Post by azania Sun May 08, 2011 7:24 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:Against someone slow possibly but Pryor wouldn't be concerned by Pacquiao's power and would have happily taken one to land a harder shot of his own. I've yet to see you debate on anything over than Pacquiao or Mayweather so very much doubt you really know anything about someone like Pryor.

Pacquiao is a huge puncher. And ATG p4p puncher and he has a great chin. He is faster than Pryor and Pacquiao would blitz him in a war.

Pip Cuevas would have destroyed Pac at WW. Palomino, even John H Stracey would have beaten him. Pac is not a huge puncher. What is his KO record? May have a great chin, but has a weak body. He may be fast, but sliky skills will win out. Very Happy

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Post by azania Sun May 08, 2011 7:24 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:I honestly don't give Pacquiao a chance in hell of beating Pryor at 140lbs, he'd get walked down and battered senseless for round after round before getting stopped, Pacquiao is no Alexis Arguello and we all saw how that one finished.

Not a bright move to go down the route of drug accusations when Pacquiao is involved is it really

Pryor would have come to fight and that would have been the type of fight Pacquiao would have loved and excelled in.

And lost by 6 round KO.

But Pacquiao has beifited from modern nutrition and training thumbsup

Same as Pryor drank (allegedly).

Think you will find Pacquiao incorpartes scientific methods in his training light years ahead of what Pryor was doing.

Is that why he is afraid of blood tests?

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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 7:27 pm

People

Stop baiting D4, and D4 stop making random statements without proof.
This is getting very stupid now and is spoiling the thread.

If it continues im locking this.

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 7:28 pm

Guys, this Flip has dragged everyone into his frankly pathetic Pacquiao scented five knuckle shuffle fantasy.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 7:28 pm

What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.
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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:30 pm

azania wrote:
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The Mighty Atom wrote:Against someone slow possibly but Pryor wouldn't be concerned by Pacquiao's power and would have happily taken one to land a harder shot of his own. I've yet to see you debate on anything over than Pacquiao or Mayweather so very much doubt you really know anything about someone like Pryor.

Pacquiao is a huge puncher. And ATG p4p puncher and he has a great chin. He is faster than Pryor and Pacquiao would blitz him in a war.

Pip Cuevas would have destroyed Pac at WW. Palomino, even John H Stracey would have beaten him. Pac is not a huge puncher. What is his KO record? May have a great chin, but has a weak body. He may be fast, but sliky skills will win out. Very Happy


Cuevas would have gotten KOed, Mosley didn't have a sit down in the third because he was tired you know.

Why do so many on here underate Pacquiao's power.


Just asked Clottey, Marg, Cotto, Mosley, Hatton how hard Pacquiao hit, they will all vouch for his power.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 7:31 pm

What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.
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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:33 pm

prettyboykev wrote:What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.

That pucnh landed in the 3rd and the plan went out the window.

Mosley was shocked and stunned by the power.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 7:34 pm

Why do you insist on over rating every facet of his game, if you don't like the reverse you should learn some objectivity yourself.

Three of those guys went the distance and never looked like being stopped, they also lacked the ability to fire back with hard meaningful punches, Pryor had an absolutely fantastic chin, better than the fighters whom Pacquiao has faced including Margarito.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 7:37 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.

That pucnh landed in the 3rd and the plan went out the window.

Mosley was shocked and stunned by the power.

Not sure your right Manny didn't dictate the fight and it wasn't that big a shot bit of a stumble on Shane's part. Neither knockdown was impressive but at least the one Pac scored was with a punch. Mosley never seemed to have a plan.
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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:38 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:Why do you insist on over rating every facet of his game, if you don't like the reverse you should learn some objectivity yourself.

Three of those guys went the distance and never looked like being stopped, they also lacked the ability to fire back with hard meaningful punches, Pryor had an absolutely fantastic chin, better than the fighters whom Pacquiao has faced including Margarito.

Marg has a better chin than Pryor.

Pacquiao has excellent eyes and can pick a punch when the leather is flying better than anyone.

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:39 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.

That pucnh landed in the 3rd and the plan went out the window.

Mosley was shocked and stunned by the power.

Not sure your right Manny didn't dictate the fight and it wasn't that big a shot bit of a stumble on Shane's part. Neither knockdown was impressive but at least the one Pac scored was with a punch. Mosley never seemed to have a plan.

Shane was gone, he looked dazed and confused on the canvas, and when he got up he was like Bambi

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 7:39 pm

Pryor wouldn't have crumbled like Margarito did against Mosley

I'll just go and watch the two Marquez fights again to prove that point wrong.

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:42 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:Pryor wouldn't have crumbled like Margarito did against Mosley

I'll just go and watch the two Marquez fights again to prove that point wrong.

Marg was weight drained, had a very short training camp and had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks or something stupid like that.

Plus Marg mind was not right, and look at all the punishment Marg took from a huge puncher like Mosley.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 7:43 pm

Excuses excuses again

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 7:45 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.

That pucnh landed in the 3rd and the plan went out the window.

Mosley was shocked and stunned by the power.

Not sure your right Manny didn't dictate the fight and it wasn't that big a shot bit of a stumble on Shane's part. Neither knockdown was impressive but at least the one Pac scored was with a punch. Mosley never seemed to have a plan.

Shane was gone, he looked dazed and confused on the canvas, and when he got up he was like Bambi

Not sure we watched the same fight mate. Maybe I never had my Pacquiao glasses on.
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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 7:46 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
The Mighty Atom wrote:Why do you insist on over rating every facet of his game, if you don't like the reverse you should learn some objectivity yourself.

Three of those guys went the distance and never looked like being stopped, they also lacked the ability to fire back with hard meaningful punches, Pryor had an absolutely fantastic chin, better than the fighters whom Pacquiao has faced including Margarito.

Marg has a better chin than Pryor.

Pacquiao has excellent eyes and can pick a punch when the leather is flying better than anyone.


That's absolute sheiße. Utterly unproven. Can SOMEONE please rid the boards of this guy?

So far he's added zero of any worth to this thread. Less than myself even. What's the point of letting this nonsense continue when this scheming jackanape clearly has no objectivity whatsoever?!?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun May 08, 2011 7:47 pm

Arguello, Pryor, Hearns, Leonard, Taylor, Whittaker, Camacho, Starling, Brown all beat Manny for me...

One dimensional.....

The fight stank..Mosley is finished and was just there for a few more bucks.

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:50 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:What was Mosleys game plan for last night?

Their is no way brother Naz would have put him in their with the intention of only lasting the 12 rounds. Even though he was over the hill I expected better from Mosley. Thought he would use the jab and go to the body but never seen anything from him that suggested he was in their to do anything other than survive.

That pucnh landed in the 3rd and the plan went out the window.

Mosley was shocked and stunned by the power.

Not sure your right Manny didn't dictate the fight and it wasn't that big a shot bit of a stumble on Shane's part. Neither knockdown was impressive but at least the one Pac scored was with a punch. Mosley never seemed to have a plan.

Shane was gone, he looked dazed and confused on the canvas, and when he got up he was like Bambi

Not sure we watched the same fight mate. Maybe I never had my Pacquiao glasses on.

I've seen the fight 3 times. Mosley was badly hurt.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 7:51 pm

I don't use Poochi's fights as masterbating material so only watched it once.

Never thought he was hurt and still don't. Poor performance from Poochi he may have got the victory but never impressed in doing so against a guy who is past it.
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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:53 pm

http://www.boxingscene.com/mosley-compares-pacquiao-forrest-knockdown-shots--38956

I've been knocked down by Vernon Forrest, so that was a strong knockout punch. But this second time, that couldn't compete with Manny Pacquiao," said Mosley.

"I was pretty hurt. I was pretty stunned. It surprised me, because I didn't think that it was a big shot when he threw it. But Manny Pacquiao was very strong," said Mosley of Pacquiao's left hand that floored him. "That was a great shot, and I definitely felt it and went down.

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 7:54 pm

Roach said Mosley should retire now. Roach knows full well Mosley should have retired before last night, but who's Freddy to turn down a payday? Just more proof that Roach is ensuring Pacquiao faces dead men walking.

Mosley's word on Pacquiao's power has to be taken with a grain of salt, because he's hardly likely to tell the truth which is "I'm shot". Instead he plays up Pacquiao to make it seem like it's not simply down to himself being almost 40 which affected his (non) performance.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 7:56 pm

30 year old Mosley or 39 year old Mosley, who do you genuinely think takes a better punch?

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 7:56 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.boxingscene.com/mosley-compares-pacquiao-forrest-knockdown-shots--38956

I've been knocked down by Vernon Forrest, so that was a strong knockout punch. But this second time, that couldn't compete with Manny Pacquiao," said Mosley.

"I was pretty hurt. I was pretty stunned. It surprised me, because I didn't think that it was a big shot when he threw it. But Manny Pacquiao was very strong," said Mosley of Pacquiao's left hand that floored him. "That was a great shot, and I definitely felt it and went down.

Translation: "if I wasn't ridiculously shot I wouldn't have been so badly affected by it."

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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 7:57 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Shane was gone, he looked dazed and confused on the canvas, and when he got up he was like Bambi
I've seen the fight 3 times. Mosley was badly hurt.

OK D4, thats your view, the majority of the posters including myself disagree.
Mosley was on the defence most of the fight, Manny didnt capitalise. It was a poor fight.
Point taken. Lets move on and discuss any other points properly.

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 7:58 pm

The Mighty Atom wrote:30 year old Mosley or 39 year old Mosley, who do you genuinely think takes a better punch?

It is funny how boxer show no deteriation in their chin till they face Pacquiao, then just before they fight all their punch resistence is gone.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sun May 08, 2011 8:00 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao is a huge puncher. An ATG p4p puncher

Manny Pacquiao: 38 ko's from 58 fights - 65% KO rate

Floyd Mayweather: 25 ko's from 41 fights - 61% KO rate

Is 4% the difference between an ATG puncher and someone that cant punch?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 8:00 pm

So you think an old 39 year old Shane Mosley takes a punch just as well as peak condition unbeaten 30 year old Shane Mosley?

Don't deflect the question on another tangent and answer it

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 8:01 pm

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao is a huge puncher. An ATG p4p puncher

Manny Pacquiao: 38 ko's from 58 fights - 65% KO rate

Floyd Mayweather: 25 ko's from 41 fights - 61% KO rate

Is 4% the difference between an ATG puncher and someone that cant punch?


Excellent point and Floyd isn't a puncher.
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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 8:13 pm

Guys,

Ive deleted several comments. This stops now!

Posting a comment to wind someone up and then reporting the reply by them is childish. Why cant you all just debate this sensibly?

People, stop winding D4 up. D4 stop posting silly comments that irritates others. Its a stupid cat & mouse game and it getting very boring.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 8:14 pm

Hey i've been debating this sensibly the whole time

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 8:15 pm

Lock the thread, it's spent.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 8:16 pm

Will Mosley retire now? I'm not to sure the fact he went the distance might just convince him to give it another go.
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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 8:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzmeXB7FJ0

Manny Pacquiao interview.

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Post by Youarethegreatest Sun May 08, 2011 8:18 pm

wow manny's in trouble against mayweather that's for sure!
You need more than workrate and good stamina!

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 8:18 pm

Not going to answer my question then?

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 8:21 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2CiV4Z5s0

Post fight press conference

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Post by Rowley Sun May 08, 2011 8:24 pm

Since moving to welter Manny has had three fights at the weight only one of those finished early and he has scored one knock down in the three fights> Hardly bespeaks an all time great puncher does it

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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 8:25 pm

This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 8:25 pm

Mods, admin, someone? Anyone? Far as I can tell the only reason anyone 'baits' D4 is because all he does is spout often unfounded speculation and ignores reasonable objectivity.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun May 08, 2011 8:28 pm

King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?
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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 8:29 pm

rowley wrote:Since moving to welter Manny has had three fights at the weight only one of those finished early and he has scored one knock down in the three fights> Hardly bespeaks an all time great puncher does it

Exactly. Hatton was the last guy he KOd. Cotto was a TKO. Wasn't Cotto also without a proper trainer too for that particular training camp?

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 8:30 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?

Because of Mosley's super slick defensive skills. You know; he stepped backwards.

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Post by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 8:31 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?

In my opinion he was just as poor. For me the punch was lucky. After that Mosely went super defensive and Manny couldn't find a way through. If Shane had any heart he would've taken it to Pac and at least gone down fighting. Instead he rode the rounds out and probably put 2 fingers up at those who swore Manny would knock him out.

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Post by azania Sun May 08, 2011 8:32 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?

Because of Mosley's super slick defensive skills. You know; he stepped backwards.
laughing

Thats a novelty. Are boxers allowed to do that? Or is it only pure boxers who stand there with their chins out after they've been decked.

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Post by D4thincarnation Sun May 08, 2011 8:33 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?

Mosley touched gloves held on and ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnW2flghGFk

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun May 08, 2011 8:33 pm

Never gave Pacquiao much chance of stopping him to be honest with you, I simply don't see why the fight was made, Pacquiao had absolutely nothing to gain from it.

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Post by Scottrf Sun May 08, 2011 8:33 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:Mosley's word on Pacquiao's power has to be taken with a grain of salt, because he's hardly likely to tell the truth which is "I'm shot".
As predicted, when I said this about Solis everyone said 'Oh no, you should listen to the boxer, they've been in the ring with both men.' Knew Mosley saying it about Pacquiao would be discredited though.

D4 is far from the only one using double standards.

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Post by BALTIMORA Sun May 08, 2011 8:34 pm

azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
King Beer wrote:This may spark it all again but I actually agree with D4. Mosley was still dazed a good minute after the knockdown, his footing had gone and he was trying to run.

Please don't shoot me.

If that is the case then why did the big punching Pac not finish him off?

Because of Mosley's super slick defensive skills. You know; he stepped backwards.
laughing

Thats a novelty. Are boxers allowed to do that? Or is it only pure boxers who stand there with their chins out after they've been decked.

I think pure boxers try to fire back unchecked.

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