Post Manny v Mosley discussion

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Made me long for the heady days of Hopkins/Calzaghe!!!

Off to bed, no further comment to make on that snore-fest except to say that Mayweather should sign to fight Manny IMMEDIATELY

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

What other fighter has done that in recent times?

Give me a break.

How about anyone who's moved up in weight and beaten up ranked fighters? Donaire? Gamboa? The list could go on and on.

And don't duck my point about Forrest knocking Shane into orbit and how his knockdown was far far far worse than Manny's. Unless of course you just want to stay quiet at which point i'll just assume you have zero comeback. AS USUAL.

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

coxy0001 wrote:

What other fighter has done that in recent times?

Give me a break.

How about anyone who's moved up in weight and beaten up ranked fighters? Donaire? Gamboa? The list could go on and on.

And don't duck my point about Forrest knocking Shane into orbit and how his knockdown was far far far worse than Manny's. Unless of course you just want to stay quiet at which point i'll just assume you have zero comeback. AS USUAL.

Shane has said something different. He said he was never hit like that before. And Forrest headbutted Mosley what helped that KD

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King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't Manny claim, after the fight, that he ' isn't interested ' in a fight against Floyd and that he is ' satisfied ' with what he has achieved in boxing ?

Mosley is also 39. So your right he probably hasnt been hurt like that before because he is past it and with age your resilience does diminish.

Top boxers do not doubt themselves regardless of who they face! Can you tell me you know of any other sportsmen with bigger egos and self belief?

Dont get me wrong Manny is a great fighter and he is exciting to watch (most of the time) but he has lost some credibility walking out to this fight. I dont care who set up the fight, end of the day Manny is his own man and if he could of said no!

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coxy0001 wrote:

What other fighter has done that in recent times?

Give me a break.

How about anyone who's moved up in weight and beaten up ranked fighters? Donaire? Gamboa? The list could go on and on.

And don't duck my point about Forrest knocking Shane into orbit and how his knockdown was far far far worse than Manny's. Unless of course you just want to stay quiet at which point i'll just assume you have zero comeback. AS USUAL.

Shane has said something different. He said he was never hit like that before. And Forrest headbutted Mosley what helped that KD

And Tyson said the punch Bruno caught him with was the biggest one he ever got hit by. Face facts, Forrest may not have hit him harder but he certainly put him into jelly leg mode, and no - he got caught by a massive uppercut and DID NOT complain at any point before that punch about a headbutt.

And as Windy has pointed out wasn't it nice to see Pacquiao ducking FMJ eh?!

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King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't Manny claim, after the fight, that he ' isn't interested ' in a fight against Floyd and that he is ' satisfied ' with what he has achieved in boxing ?

He said he doesn't care who he fights, he satisfied what he has done in boxing, he will fight who ever his promoter puts infront of him.

He did say he wants the fight because the fans want it and it will make them happy.

I paraphrase ofcourse.

talkingpickle wrote:Mosley is also 39. So your right he probably hasnt been hurt like that before because he is past it and with age your resilience does diminish.

Top boxers do not doubt themselves regardless of who they face! Can you tell me you know of any other sportsmen with bigger egos and self belief?

Dont get me wrong Manny is a great fighter and he is exciting to watch (most of the time) but he has lost some credibility walking out to this fight. I dont care who set up the fight, end of the day Manny is his own man and if he could of said no!

Thats why it is so shocking, after that 3rd round KD, Mosley didn't want to know. He broke into a sprint sometimes he was running so much, stop throwing punches and just defending and held on on and spoiled.

I'm pretty sure Mosley actually touched gloves with Manny more time than he landed power shots.

Mosley has admitted that he just wanted to survive and was concerned about getting knocked out.

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King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't Manny claim, after the fight, that he ' isn't interested ' in a fight against Floyd and that he is ' satisfied ' with what he has achieved in boxing ?

He said he doesn't care who he fights, he satisfied what he has done in boxing, he will fight who ever his promoter puts infront of him.

He did say he wants the fight because the fans want it and it will make them happy.

I paraphrase ofcourse.

From the BBC boxing page :

And asked about the prospect of a fight against unbeaten American Floyd Mayweather to finally determine the world's greatest pound-for-pound boxer he said: "I don't care about that fight.

"I am satisfied with everything that I have done in boxing."

But while Pacquiao was evasive over his future plans, trainer Freddie Roach said he favoured a third meeting with long-time rival Juan Manuel Marquez.

The pair drew on their first meeting in 2004 before Pacquiao won a controversial points decision in 2008, a verdict which Marquez refers to as a 'robbery'.

"I hate it when he (Marquez) says that he was robbed because there was no robbery in either fight," said Roach.

"They were very close fights and could have gone either way. So I would love to fight him one more time just to shut him up, I really would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vftz988vef4

Look at Mosley legs after he gets up.

Maybe the ref should have warned Shane about holding all the time.

Any chance someone can get in touch with Floyd via his Twitter page, get him to watch the fight from the weekend and then, once he sees that it's an easy night's work, we can get the fight on and then both Floyd and Manny can retire from boxing, D4 will have nothing to talk about, the forum might get back to some semblence of normality and the World might spin a little more smoothly on it's axis...or the Administrative team can just lock this thread?

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talkingpickle wrote:Mosley is also 39. So your right he probably hasnt been hurt like that before because he is past it and with age your resilience does diminish.

Top boxers do not doubt themselves regardless of who they face! Can you tell me you know of any other sportsmen with bigger egos and self belief?

Dont get me wrong Manny is a great fighter and he is exciting to watch (most of the time) but he has lost some credibility walking out to this fight. I dont care who set up the fight, end of the day Manny is his own man and if he could of said no!

Thats why it is so shocking, after that 3rd round KD, Mosley didn't want to know. He broke into a sprint sometimes he was running so much, stop throwing punches and just defending and held on on and spoiled.

I'm pretty sure Mosley actually touched gloves with Manny more time than he landed power shots.

Mosley has admitted that he just wanted to survive and was concerned about getting knocked out.

How was it shocking? Manny didnt have the power to KO him. Surely Mosley not being the fighter he was and less resilient to taking shots makes it LESS shocking? What did you expect Mosley to do? Stand there and get brain damage?

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HumanWindmill wrote:

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D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't Manny claim, after the fight, that he ' isn't interested ' in a fight against Floyd and that he is ' satisfied ' with what he has achieved in boxing ?

He said he doesn't care who he fights, he satisfied what he has done in boxing, he will fight who ever his promoter puts infront of him.

He did say he wants the fight because the fans want it and it will make them happy.

I paraphrase ofcourse.

From the BBC boxing page :

And asked about the prospect of a fight against unbeaten American Floyd Mayweather to finally determine the world's greatest pound-for-pound boxer he said: "I don't care about that fight.

"I am satisfied with everything that I have done in boxing."

But while Pacquiao was evasive over his future plans, trainer Freddie Roach said he favoured a third meeting with long-time rival Juan Manuel Marquez.

The pair drew on their first meeting in 2004 before Pacquiao won a controversial points decision in 2008, a verdict which Marquez refers to as a 'robbery'.

"I hate it when he (Marquez) says that he was robbed because there was no robbery in either fight," said Roach.

"They were very close fights and could have gone either way. So I would love to fight him one more time just to shut him up, I really would.

Windy that quote is taking from the post fight interview that Showtime done, at he say a lot more that. He mentions everything I have said and more.

He is basiscally saying he has achieved much more in boxing than Mayweather and doesn't need him, he does care if the fight happen or if it doesn't. But the fans wants it and so he wants it for that reason.

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talkingpickle wrote:Mosley is also 39. So your right he probably hasnt been hurt like that before because he is past it and with age your resilience does diminish.

Top boxers do not doubt themselves regardless of who they face! Can you tell me you know of any other sportsmen with bigger egos and self belief?

Dont get me wrong Manny is a great fighter and he is exciting to watch (most of the time) but he has lost some credibility walking out to this fight. I dont care who set up the fight, end of the day Manny is his own man and if he could of said no!

Thats why it is so shocking, after that 3rd round KD, Mosley didn't want to know. He broke into a sprint sometimes he was running so much, stop throwing punches and just defending and held on on and spoiled.

I'm pretty sure Mosley actually touched gloves with Manny more time than he landed power shots.

Mosley has admitted that he just wanted to survive and was concerned about getting knocked out.

How was it shocking? Manny didnt have the power to KO him. Surely Mosley not being the fighter he was and less resilient to taking shots makes it LESS shocking? What did you expect Mosley to do? Stand there and get brain damage?

I expected Mosley to try and win, the same I expect from any fighter.
Mosley has not showed any sign that his punch resistence has gone in any of his previous fights against much bigger men.

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King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Correct me if I'm wrong, D4, but didn't Manny claim, after the fight, that he ' isn't interested ' in a fight against Floyd and that he is ' satisfied ' with what he has achieved in boxing ?

He said he doesn't care who he fights, he satisfied what he has done in boxing, he will fight who ever his promoter puts infront of him.

He did say he wants the fight because the fans want it and it will make them happy.

I paraphrase ofcourse.

From the BBC boxing page :

And asked about the prospect of a fight against unbeaten American Floyd Mayweather to finally determine the world's greatest pound-for-pound boxer he said: "I don't care about that fight.

"I am satisfied with everything that I have done in boxing."

But while Pacquiao was evasive over his future plans, trainer Freddie Roach said he favoured a third meeting with long-time rival Juan Manuel Marquez.

The pair drew on their first meeting in 2004 before Pacquiao won a controversial points decision in 2008, a verdict which Marquez refers to as a 'robbery'.

"I hate it when he (Marquez) says that he was robbed because there was no robbery in either fight," said Roach.

"They were very close fights and could have gone either way. So I would love to fight him one more time just to shut him up, I really would.

Windy that quote is taking from the post fight interview that Showtime done, at he say a lot more that. He mentions everything I have said and more.

He is basiscally saying he has achieved much more in boxing than Mayweather and doesn't need him, he does care if the fight happen or if it doesn't. But the fans wants it and so he wants it for that reason.

Fair enough, D4. I hadn't seen the quotation in its full context.

To be fair, though, it does still seem a little ambiguous. I guess we'll just need to wait and see.

Here you go Windy.

The fans were angry with Mosley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDVoDpiz6J0

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

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talkingpickle wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

talkingpickle wrote:Mosley is also 39. So your right he probably hasnt been hurt like that before because he is past it and with age your resilience does diminish.

Top boxers do not doubt themselves regardless of who they face! Can you tell me you know of any other sportsmen with bigger egos and self belief?

Dont get me wrong Manny is a great fighter and he is exciting to watch (most of the time) but he has lost some credibility walking out to this fight. I dont care who set up the fight, end of the day Manny is his own man and if he could of said no!

Thats why it is so shocking, after that 3rd round KD, Mosley didn't want to know. He broke into a sprint sometimes he was running so much, stop throwing punches and just defending and held on on and spoiled.



I'm pretty sure Mosley actually touched gloves with Manny more time than he landed power shots.

Mosley has admitted that he just wanted to survive and was concerned about getting knocked out.

How was it shocking? Manny didnt have the power to KO him. Surely Mosley not being the fighter he was and less resilient to taking shots makes it LESS shocking? What did you expect Mosley to do? Stand there and get brain damage?

I expected Mosley to try and win, the same I expect from any fighter.
Mosley has not showed any sign that his punch resistence has gone in any of his previous fights against much bigger men.

Im sure he did try and win but just couldnt find a way to against a much better fighter, we all know that this fight was a total mis-match so it wasnt shocking at all! Shame Pacquiao didnt have that killer blow to put an end to a very poor fight.

D4, Pac has not achieved more than Floyd. Pac didn't achieve a zero. He is on a 14 fight undeaten streak whereas Floyd is on a 40odd fight winning streak.

Mosley;s punch resistant has gone. His legs have gone. All this happened after the floyd fight because he has gotten older. There is no doubt about that.

And now we have Manny looking to fight an equally old JMM and then ducking Floyd by retiring.

He is basiscally saying he has achieved much more in boxing than Mayweather and doesn't need him, he does care if the fight happen or if it doesn't. But the fans wants it and so he wants it for that reason.
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So, if Manny is taking the fights the fans want, why the procrastination over the Mayweather fight for two years? Take the damn tests Manny, the fans have demanded it and...you don't want to let the fans down do you?

NB, these are the same fans you always wants to put on a good fight for...the same fans you subjected to that debacle at the weekend. You truly are a man of the people, Manny!

"I give the people what they want...just as long as it doesn't conflict with my best interests." Yup, maybe politics is where you'll really be suited son!

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D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

Come on please, getting your foot stood on and pushed over is not a reason to criticise someone in a boxing match. This is not wrasslin you know.

Lucky punch?

You sure about that, look at the feint before that. What makes you think that was lucky?

A lot of people underrated Mosley but if someone is just happy to run and spoil it makes getting a KO much more difficult.

Think you are being a little harsh Dave, as you well know the fans can take their pick of the Top Rank stable and Manny and Uncle Bob will do their damndest to make the dream come true.

"A lot of people underrated Mosley "

With good reason!

Also funny how Mosley was getting hit with the cleaner crisper shots against FMJ, so much so Nas threatened to pull him out. Manny didn't seem to land much of note post the 3rd round save for the odd punch here n there. And don't get sucked in by the crowd who oooooohhhdd and ahhhhhhhd every time Manny had a glancing blow/hit his gloves.

Boring fight.

Give me FMJ vs Mosley any day of the week. At least it was an exhibition of one sided fighting.

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King Beer wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

Come on please, getting your foot stood on and pushed over is not a reason to criticise someone in a boxing match. This is not wrasslin you know.

Lucky punch?

You sure about that, look at the feint before that. What makes you think that was lucky?

A lot of people underrated Mosley but if someone is just happy to run and spoil it makes getting a KO much more difficult.

But surely if you are the p4p #1 boxer you should be able to take apart any opponent and get the KO, instead Manny just sat back and to be fair, did the same as Mosley and rode out the points win. He showed no real drive or determination to outbox Mosley.

Shame really, Pacquiao apparently has all the tools to take people apart but just doesn't use them.

D4thincarnation wrote:Here you go Windy.

The fans were angry with Mosley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDVoDpiz6J0

Thanks for that, D4.

It is, indeed, a bit ambiguous. Let's hope they get it on.

Nobody under rated him. You over rated him to the nth degree. Most of us said he was way way past his ebst, had shown no form recently to suggest he could win this fight or be vaguely competitive and most of us were proven absolutely bang on the money.

Lets compare this with your analysis where you staked you reputation on this being fight of the year and you stated Mosley would look better than he has for ages and would pose a real threat for the first three or four rounds. Does that seem more accurate than the rest of us?

rowley wrote:Think you are being a little harsh Dave, as you well know the fans can take their pick of the Top Rank stable and Manny and Uncle Bob will do their damndest to make the dream come true.

Sorry Jeff, I DO keep forgetting that!

Has anyone seen the article on boxingscene today where Ariza is now claiming Pacquiao over-trained? So between the start of the fight and two days after the story changed from "best training camp ever" (copyright F. Roach) to "Manny over-trained". How's that work then..?

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-believes-pacquiao-overtrained-mosley-finished--38973

Like groundhog day...this thread.

rowley wrote:Nobody under rated him. You over rated him to the nth degree. Most of us said he was way way past his ebst, had shown no form recently to suggest he could win this fight or be vaguely competitive and most of us were proven absolutely bang on the money.

Lets compare this with your analysis where you staked you reputation on this being fight of the year and you stated Mosley would look better than he has for ages and would pose a real threat for the first three or four rounds. Does that seem more accurate than the rest of us?

To be fair, with his reputation on the boards being what it is, he didn't really have a lot to lose did he?

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King Beer wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

Come on please, getting your foot stood on and pushed over is not a reason to criticise someone in a boxing match. This is not wrasslin you know.

Lucky punch?

You sure about that, look at the feint before that. What makes you think that was lucky?

A lot of people underrated Mosley but if someone is just happy to run and spoil it makes getting a KO much more difficult.

But surely if you are the p4p #1 boxer you should be able to take apart any opponent and get the KO, instead Manny just sat back and to be fair, did the same as Mosley and rode out the points win. He showed no real drive or determination to outbox Mosley.

Shame really, Pacquiao apparently has all the tools to take people apart but just doesn't use them.

Manny could have press the action a little more and done it earlier but Manny won a shut out and he was the one doing all the pressing.

If Pacquiao is going to get critised for this it just make you think how good his career has been.


Anyway, Haye vs Klitschko press conference on in a moment who is watching?

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King Beer wrote:

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King Beer wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

Come on please, getting your foot stood on and pushed over is not a reason to criticise someone in a boxing match. This is not wrasslin you know.

Lucky punch?

You sure about that, look at the feint before that. What makes you think that was lucky?

A lot of people underrated Mosley but if someone is just happy to run and spoil it makes getting a KO much more difficult.

But surely if you are the p4p #1 boxer you should be able to take apart any opponent and get the KO, instead Manny just sat back and to be fair, did the same as Mosley and rode out the points win. He showed no real drive or determination to outbox Mosley.

Shame really, Pacquiao apparently has all the tools to take people apart but just doesn't use them.

Manny could have press the action a little more and done it earlier but Manny won a shut out and he was the one doing all the pressing.

If Pacquiao is going to get critised for this it just make you think how good his career has been.


Anyway, Haye vs Klitschko press conference on in a moment who is watching?

Not really, Audley Harrsion had an awful career and he still got pulled apart after an awful fight with Haye.

Manny could've done alot more, he could've gone for the killer blow but he didn't.

BALTIMORA wrote:Has anyone seen the article on boxingscene today where Ariza is now claiming Pacquiao over-trained? So between the start of the fight and two days after the story changed from "best training camp ever" (copyright F. Roach) to "Manny over-trained". How's that work then..?

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-believes-pacquiao-overtrained-mosley-finished--38973

Pacquiao may have trained to hard, push to hard in training. That would explain Pacquiao looking great in training and overtraining.

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

D4 wrote:Manny has an aura of invincibility about him now.

Not from where i'm sitting. He did nothing in that fight to convince me he could beat Floyd. He couldn't break down a 39 year old..... has been's defence and got floored himself.

I think you're deluding yourself D4 if you think Manny walked out of that fight with any real credibility!

You really think Pacquiao got "floored?"

Mosley was happy defending and running, that does not win you fight.

Also Pacquiao would not have to worry about Floyd's right hand.

The boxers that face Pacquiao has the fight beating out of them early on and after then it just becomes a survival contest.

Let hope though Floyd has the confidence you have him in and steps up to plate and finally take on Pacquiao.

Did he hit the canvas? Yes.

Mosley was defending, but Manny had no game plan to get through him, his punch that floored Mosely; whilst brutal, was lucky. As i said, how Manny can take any positives out of that fight is beyond me.

90% of people predicted a Manny KO. Yet he failed to deliver and got taken the distance. Nobody will remember the fight for anything other than a complete snorefest that should never of happened.

Come on please, getting your foot stood on and pushed over is not a reason to criticise someone in a boxing match. This is not wrasslin you know.

Lucky punch?

You sure about that, look at the feint before that. What makes you think that was lucky?

A lot of people underrated Mosley but if someone is just happy to run and spoil it makes getting a KO much more difficult.

But surely if you are the p4p #1 boxer you should be able to take apart any opponent and get the KO, instead Manny just sat back and to be fair, did the same as Mosley and rode out the points win. He showed no real drive or determination to outbox Mosley.

Shame really, Pacquiao apparently has all the tools to take people apart but just doesn't use them.

Manny could have press the action a little more and done it earlier but Manny won a shut out and he was the one doing all the pressing.

If Pacquiao is going to get critised for this it just make you think how good his career has been.


Anyway, Haye vs Klitschko press conference on in a moment who is watching?

We all know how good his career has been thats exactly why people are critising him. He had the tools to smash Shane to bits but he didnt use them.

BALTIMORA wrote:Has anyone seen the article on boxingscene today where Ariza is now claiming Pacquiao over-trained? So between the start of the fight and two days after the story changed from "best training camp ever" (copyright F. Roach) to "Manny over-trained". How's that work then..?

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-believes-pacquiao-overtrained-mosley-finished--38973

Jesus Christ who wrote that article on Boxing Scene - D4????? Offering a seemingly endless list of excuses for mannys lacklustre performance then at the end "at least Mosley survived 12 rounds with the greatest boxer of all time". What utter dross.

Let's be no under illusion, if that version of manny had been sharing a ring with mayweather on Saturday night he'd have been on the wrong end if a serious boxing lesson. He was flat footed, throwing single shots, slow by his standards, missing loads of punches and showed no cuteness of craft to unlock mosley. You can get away with that against an old man with no speed or reflexes who is unwilling to throw counters, but mayweather wouldve taken him to school.

Am sure it was just an off night for manny tho, we're all entitled to them.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:Has anyone seen the article on boxingscene today where Ariza is now claiming Pacquiao over-trained? So between the start of the fight and two days after the story changed from "best training camp ever" (copyright F. Roach) to "Manny over-trained". How's that work then..?

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-believes-pacquiao-overtrained-mosley-finished--38973

Jesus Christ who wrote that article on Boxing Scene - D4????? Offering a seemingly endless list of excuses for mannys lacklustre performance then at the end "at least Mosley survived 12 rounds with the greatest boxer of all time". What utter dross.

Let's be no under illusion, if that version of manny had been sharing a ring with mayweather on Saturday night he'd have been on the wrong end if a serious boxing lesson. He was flat footed, throwing single shots, slow by his standards, missing loads of punches and showed no cuteness of craft to unlock mosley. You can get away with that against an old man with no speed or reflexes who is unwilling to throw counters, but mayweather wouldve taken him to school.

Am sure it was just an off night for manny tho, we're all entitled to them.

Just astounds me, the blatant hypocrisy. Either Roach or Ariza is a liar over this, that's fairly evident.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:Has anyone seen the article on boxingscene today where Ariza is now claiming Pacquiao over-trained? So between the start of the fight and two days after the story changed from "best training camp ever" (copyright F. Roach) to "Manny over-trained". How's that work then..?

http://www.boxingscene.com/ariza-believes-pacquiao-overtrained-mosley-finished--38973

Jesus Christ who wrote that article on Boxing Scene - D4????? Offering a seemingly endless list of excuses for mannys lacklustre performance then at the end "at least Mosley survived 12 rounds with the greatest boxer of all time". What utter dross.

Let's be no under illusion, if that version of manny had been sharing a ring with mayweather on Saturday night he'd have been on the wrong end if a serious boxing lesson. He was flat footed, throwing single shots, slow by his standards, missing loads of punches and showed no cuteness of craft to unlock mosley. You can get away with that against an old man with no speed or reflexes who is unwilling to throw counters, but mayweather wouldve taken him to school.

Am sure it was just an off night for manny tho, we're all entitled to them.

I dont think it was an off night. Manny simply does not have a Plan B. When an opponent does something different ie step back, Manny is lost. He looks a world best ATG when the opponent is simply standing there. Then again so would Rocky and Audley.

You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Didn't he also have a runny nose? That could have affected his breathing.

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Well, if excuses are the order of the day we need also remember that Mosley is pushing forty and shot to pieces.

Also heard Buboy ate McCoys steak crisps in the changing room, which Manny is famous for disliking. The smell apparently put him off his warm up which is more than a valid reason for looking like he had zero idea how to cope with Mosley

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Well, if excuses are the order of the day we need also remember that Mosley is pushing forty and shot to pieces.

But Pacquiao had left his favourite hairbrush in the Philipines.

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Yes im sure he had image of cars armed with machine guns filled with needles flashing before his eyes whilst he was in the ring , lol!

He wasnt exactly badly limping about though was he. Everyone is allowed an off night but against an oppenent like Shane he myself and many others expected a better performance. Id rather he just come out and said 'i had an off night, sorry fans' since he is all about the fans after all rather than listen to rubbish excuses.

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Good job he didn't have to do the school run as well or mosley might have got a first round KO.

When you step through the ropes you leave the excuses behind. Stop making excuses for him, he's allowed an off night the same as anyone else, he's only flesh and blood - he was lacklustre and did not box well against an opponent that was there for the taking. The world won't stop turning if you admit it D4.

Think you are also forgetting Manny had forgot to set his sky plus for question of sport (he is apparently a massive Phil Tufnell fan) and so had to contend with missing this, hardly likely to be able to turn in a masterclass with this on his mind.

Just find it funny how he fights for the fans yet since Cotto we've not had an opponent any REAL boxing fan wanted to see him fight.

Yeah Manny, you're a really good ambassador for boxing! Just retire and let young fighters have the limelight against live opponents!

talkingpickle wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Yes im sure he had image of cars armed with machine guns filled with needles flashing before his eyes whilst he was in the ring , lol!

He wasnt exactly badly limping about though was he. Everyone is allowed an off night but against an oppenent like Shane he myself and many others expected a better performance. Id rather he just come out and said 'i had an off night, sorry fans' since he is all about the fans after all rather than listen to rubbish excuses.

I did notice his lateral movement was somewhat lacking in this fight. It does not surprise me that he had a injury.

By all accounts it is a long existing injury that flared up again. Not sure the details of this injury but how he manages to put in right before his next fight.

coxy0001 wrote:Just find it funny how he fights for the fans yet since Cotto we've not had an opponent any REAL boxing fan wanted to see him fight.

Yeah Manny, you're a really good ambassador for boxing! Just retire and let young fighters have the limelight against live opponents!

Spot on.