Post Manny v Mosley discussion

by Guest Sun May 08, 2011 5:54 am

First topic message reminder :

Made me long for the heady days of Hopkins/Calzaghe!!!

Off to bed, no further comment to make on that snore-fest except to say that Mayweather should sign to fight Manny IMMEDIATELY

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:01 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

I crashed my motorcycle in the snow once and still got up from it and played 90 minutes of football, i got paid a massive £0 for that. What's Manny' excuse..... oh wait.

Come on, D4, you can't protect him every time.

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:03 pm

King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

I crashed my motorcycle in the snow once and still got up from it and played 90 minutes of football, i got paid a massive £0 for that. What's Manny' excuse..... oh wait.

Come on, D4, you can't protect him every time.

Did you score a hatrick against a goalkeeper who has never conceeded 3?

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:03 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:

I did notice his lateral movement was somewhat lacking in this fight.

It might have been significant had there been any movement in Mosley's pulse rate. It's a valiant effort, D4, but even you can't put a positive spin on all this.

The fight turned out exactly the way the majority called it, beforehand ; a drab, one sided affair in which a former legend, reduced to cannon fodder, had nothing in the tank with which to offer a competitive challenge.

by azania Mon May 09, 2011 12:04 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

Yes im sure he had image of cars armed with machine guns filled with needles flashing before his eyes whilst he was in the ring , lol!

He wasnt exactly badly limping about though was he. Everyone is allowed an off night but against an oppenent like Shane he myself and many others expected a better performance. Id rather he just come out and said 'i had an off night, sorry fans' since he is all about the fans after all rather than listen to rubbish excuses.

I did notice his lateral movement was somewhat lacking in this fight. It does not surprise me that he had a injury.

By all accounts it is a long existing injury that flared up again. Not sure the details of this injury but how he manages to put in right before his next fight.

Mosley stepped back and Pac didn't know what to do. The facts about this overblown hype monster is that he completely lacks boxing intelligence. He has no plan b as demonstrated by JMM and on saturday night. I have been saying this for a long time and when he fights any opponent with slightly elusive skills he will lose. Manny is simply not that good. A smaller version of martinez would beat him. He's not even the 2nd best at WW.

He will fight JMM at WW next and that in itself would be a travesty. I can imagine fans will start grumbling.

People will soon see thru Top Rank World Welterweight Champion.

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:08 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:You also have to remember that Pacquiao had a car accident just before the fight where he was "shaken up" and that he injured his leg in the 4th round and affected his movement.

I crashed my motorcycle in the snow once and still got up from it and played 90 minutes of football, i got paid a massive £0 for that. What's Manny' excuse..... oh wait.

Come on, D4, you can't protect him every time.

Did you score a hatrick against a goalkeeper who has never conceeded 3?

Scored 2, but then i was walking like John Wayne for about a week.

by BALTIMORA Mon May 09, 2011 12:08 pm

"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:09 pm

Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

by joeyjojo618 Mon May 09, 2011 12:10 pm

At least we can say that JMM will provide a more competitive fight than Shane. Its a step in the right direction (unless its at middleweight Wink

)

by Boxtthis Mon May 09, 2011 12:11 pm

Overall, I'd say Manny's stock was a touch down after the fight. He looked to be missing some of his normal bounce and could've been open to counters. But, it's difficult to really make an assessment given that he never had to raise his game. Ultimately this performance didn't tell us too much about Manny.

You can't really fault Manny's effort and he seems very genuine in his desire to please the fans (which is more than you can say with Floyd). However, Manny's biggest mistake was in going ahead with the Mosley fight in the first place. If he really is so bothered about entertaining the fans then he'd put himself in a challenging fight. His last 3 opponents (Mosley, Margarito, Clottey) have been a joke. It's time Manny cut out this 'i'm just a fighter, not a promoter' nonsense and take some responsibility for his opponent choice. He has the power to make these decisions and it's time he stops shortchanging the boxing public that he supposedly loves to entertain. I used to think Pacquiao was great and that he stood for everything a boxing superstar should (taking on all comers, showing heart, exciting performances) - now my opinion of him is rapdily declining.

A challenge next time Manny please!

ps Mosley should retire.

by BALTIMORA Mon May 09, 2011 12:11 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:11 pm

talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:13 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

What round did you predict Mosley would get KOed in? I assume you did!

by BALTIMORA Mon May 09, 2011 12:14 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

by Rowley Mon May 09, 2011 12:14 pm

However, Manny's biggest mistake was in going ahead with the Mosley fight in the first place.
____________________________________________________

About sums it up nicely that. Was a lose lose. Mosley was 39 and had shown nothin in his recent fights. So had he laboured to do the job less impressively than Floyd (which he did) his stock goes down, if he does it more impressively so he should he is getting an old man when he is even older. Poor choice of opponent as most objective observers were saying from day one.

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:14 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

by BALTIMORA Mon May 09, 2011 12:16 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:16 pm

King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:17 pm

King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

Ortiz would lose on points. - Manny had a bad leg
Bradley would lose on points. - Manny had nightmares the night before
Berto would lose on points. - Someone shouted 'NEEDLES' everytime Manny threw a punch.

Very Happy

by Boxtthis Mon May 09, 2011 12:18 pm

On the subject of JMM. Yes, that is a decent matchup. JMM is a great fighter and is still very much alive and kicking. But, again, some of the shine will be taken off by the fact that it'll be made at the ww limit. It's just another asterisk that can be put against Manny's seemingly impressive record. Like it or not JMM is a LW. Instead I'd just love to see Manny in there with Ortiz or Berto - genuine, hurgry WWs.

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:18 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

Overtrained, is a distict possibilty.

But because I never oversaw the training camp I am in a no better position to comment than who.

by coxy0001 Mon May 09, 2011 12:20 pm

Ortiz would lose on points. - His beard was trimmed wrong
Bradley would lose on points. - Buboy joked he couldn't sing
Berto would lose on points. - His cranberry juice wasn't spot on 14c

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:20 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:22 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:23 pm

Windy,

In all honesty, i probably got it the most catastrophically wrong. I predicted Mosley by KO in 7.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:24 pm

King Beer wrote:Windy,

In all honesty, i probably got it the most catastrophically wrong. I predicted Mosley by KO in 7.

Not at all, KB.

You didn't assert, with 100% confidence, that it was going to be a great fight and that Mosley represented a genuine challenge.

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:26 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
King Beer wrote:Windy,

In all honesty, i probably got it the most catastrophically wrong. I predicted Mosley by KO in 7.

Not at all, KB.

You didn't assert, with 100% confidence, that it was going to be a great fight and that Mosley represented a genuine challenge.

True, mine was slightly tongue in cheek.

I hope that D4 learns from this and perhaps puts more thought rather than blinkered devotion into his next prediction.

By the way, who wins out of Manny v John Cena?

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:28 pm

King Beer wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
King Beer wrote:Windy,

In all honesty, i probably got it the most catastrophically wrong. I predicted Mosley by KO in 7.

Not at all, KB.

You didn't assert, with 100% confidence, that it was going to be a great fight and that Mosley represented a genuine challenge.

True, mine was slightly tongue in cheek.

I hope that D4 learns from this and perhaps puts more thought rather than blinkered devotion into his next prediction.

By the way, who wins out of Manny v John Cena?

Never write off a great fighter.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:31 pm

Isn't John Cena a wrestler?

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:33 pm

talkingpickle wrote:Isn't John Cena a wrestler?

Part Wrestler, Part Superman.

Basically, Wrestlings Manny.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 09, 2011 12:33 pm

catastrophically wrong.........

Not sure by predicting a fight wrong it would be catastrophic.....

in my time I picked......................

Hearns w12 Hagler
Douglas w12 Holyfield
Biggs w12 Tyson
Hatton ko6 Manny....

It's the way it goes..

by coxy0001 Mon May 09, 2011 12:36 pm

Truss

At least you did yours with a sense of reasoning and objectivity.

Didn't say Hatton was shot after FMJ then say he's still a dangerous and viable oppo for Pac etc

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:37 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:catastrophically wrong.........

Not sure by predicting a fight wrong it would be catastrophic.....

in my time I picked......................

Hearns w12 Hagler
Douglas w12 Holyfield
Biggs w12 Tyson
Hatton ko6 Manny....

It's the way it goes..

Not the RESULT per se, Truss, but the SUBSTANCE.

D4 is stoically defending this fight as having been credible, which he insisted it would be in the face of overwhelming opinion that it was destined to be a dud.

In his position I think I might be inclined to show a little humility and admit that I was completely wrong.

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:38 pm

King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Isn't John Cena a wrestler?

Part Wrestler, Part Superman.

Basically, Wrestlings Manny.

Did you see Pacquiao's Superman punch against Mosley?

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:39 pm

King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Isn't John Cena a wrestler?

Part Wrestler, Part Superman.

Basically, Wrestlings Manny.

Part Superman! Please tell me he can shoot lasers out of his eyes!

I havent watched wrestling since the days of the Mankind getting chucked off a cage by the Undertaker.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:39 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Isn't John Cena a wrestler?

Part Wrestler, Part Superman.

Basically, Wrestlings Manny.

Did you see Pacquiao's Superman punch against Mosley?

Mosley, at his best, wouldn't even have blinked.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 09, 2011 12:39 pm

Fact is Windy he's like a deluded stalker...whatever you say he doesn't listen.......

I like him...but in small doses.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:41 pm

talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:42 pm

talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:43 pm

King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

by BALTIMORA Mon May 09, 2011 12:43 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:"Best training camp EVER"

OR

"Manny over-trained".

Which is it?

Overtrained, is a distict possibilty.

But because I never oversaw the training camp I am in a no better position to comment than who.

So Freddy Roach lied then?

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:44 pm

King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

Got the first bit right.

Mosley had to run to stop this from happening. Pacquiao leg injury stopped him from closing off the ring.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon May 09, 2011 12:46 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

Got the first bit right.

Mosley had to run to stop this from happening. Pacquiao leg injury stopped him from closing off the ring.

Old age should have stopped Mosley from climbing into it.

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:46 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4VKGVwzhlI&feature=player_embedded

The commentators comment on Pacquiao's movement and you can see that Manny is struggling to put weight on the left and can't pivot of it.

Look at the way he keeps on lifting it throughout the fight.

Thats what stopped Pacquiao from closing the ring off.

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:47 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

Got the first bit right.

Mosley had to run to stop this from happening. Pacquiao leg injury stopped him from closing off the ring.

Actually, got it all right...

Re: Manny vs SSM - what round will it end?

Post by D4thincarnation on Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:45 pm
If Mosley is going to win it is going to be early, he has the power the speed to catch Manny with his style and take him out.

But I think Manny will box smart, and after coming through a tough first fews rounds Manny will begin to on a masterclass and then will let his hands go and put the power in and could well take iron chinned Mosley out in round number 8.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 09, 2011 12:47 pm

You're getting boring now Mate...

Can have to much of a good thing!

I went out with a girl who idolised Madonna...Whether we discussed Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas from the West Indies she always managed to find a way of getting madge into the conversation..

It can wear thin..

by talkingpickle Mon May 09, 2011 12:48 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
King Beer wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
talkingpickle wrote:Intresting read from Boxingnews 24.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/is-pacquiao-on-the-decline/#more-65645

"We may not know until it’s too late if Arum continues to carefully match Pacquiao against guys that are old are half-beaten by the time they’ve entered the ring. Careful match-making can cover up a lot. However, it might also turn away a lot of would be fans of the Filipino star. In an ideal world, Pacquiao would be matched up with the very best welterweights until he retires from the sport in two or three years. But we may not see that if Arum continues to match Pacquiao against in house fighters or ones that are pushing 40 like Mosley. With soft match-making, we could see Pacquiao’s decline masked so that it’s not nearly as apparent as it would be if Pacquiao were getting put in with guys that actually have a chance of beating him like Victor Ortiz, Sergio Martinez, Andre Berto, and Timothy Bradley"

Ortiz would get KOed in 4
Bradley KOed in 6
Berto Koed in 6
Martinez if he can make 150lbs he can some some too, that would be a good fight.

So comparing those predictions to your ones for this fight we can safely assume...

Ortiz would lose on points.
Bradley would lose on points.
Berto would lose on points.

None of them have a chin as good as Shane and then might try to be competative and not just run and spoil for 12 rounds, being just happy to survive.

I truly mean no disrespect, D4, but since you called the fight so catastrophically wrong, I'm surprised you are still calmly plodding along your chosen path, without even a hint of conceding a little ground.

Mosley was shot to smithereens, just as most of us said. Most of us called the fight correctly, whereas you called it, spectacularly, incorrectly.

What was your prediciton D4?

Manny to dominate and KO inside 8.

Got the first bit right.

Mosley had to run to stop this from happening. Pacquiao leg injury stopped him from closing off the ring.

Still think he should of done better despite the cramping in his legs.

by Davie Mon May 09, 2011 12:52 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're getting boring now Mate...

Can have to much of a good thing!

I went out with a girl who idolised Madonna...Whether we discussed Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas from the West Indies she always managed to find a way of getting madge into the conversation..

It can wear thin..

So can the complaints...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 09, 2011 12:53 pm

Okay...

by D4thincarnation Mon May 09, 2011 12:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're getting boring now Mate...

Can have to much of a good thing!

I went out with a girl who idolised Madonna...Whether we discussed Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas from the West Indies she always managed to find a way of getting madge into the conversation..

It can wear thin..

You do realised this topic is about Pacquiao vs Mosley fight and not about Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas, don't you.

by Guest Mon May 09, 2011 12:55 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're getting boring now Mate...

Can have to much of a good thing!

I went out with a girl who idolised Madonna...Whether we discussed Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas from the West Indies she always managed to find a way of getting madge into the conversation..

It can wear thin..

You do realised this topic is about Pacquiao vs Mosley fight and not about Mt Everest, the national debt or bananas, don't you.

I LOVE the irony.

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