Nadal's Knees

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Is this the biggest lie of all time? It seems whenever these phantom knees appear, they go away just as quickly, and Nadal somehow manages 5 set marathons like it is nothing. If there was anything wrong with his knees all this play and ultra defending would surely show it up. The knee claims seem to always come after he loses. Funny that.

What exactly is the proof he suffers with bad knees? Maybe it is just another one of Nadal's tics...

Well imho one thing is for sure, he was definitely lying about the extent of his injury. That's absolutely obvious. And no one believes the virus story, so that's already a breach of the rules.

Take it or leave it :P

_homogenised_ wrote: He has repeatedly told people he does not like hard courts and wants them off tour. His words, not mine.

Has he?
I've heard that he wants to rebalance hard courts with more natural surfaces (ie clay and grass), but I've never heard him say he wants them off tour, or say that he is so scared of playing on them that he will skip 7 months just to miss it.
But then again, I don't really follow him that closely, so I'll take your word for it.

_homogenised_ wrote: And no one believes the virus story, so that's already a breach of the rules.

Have you ever thought of joining the Youtube Comments section?

There's no way an ambitious guy takes two Slams off for a laugh. That's not feasible.

_homogenised_ wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:And homo I take it you fully expect Rafa to withdraw from the rest of this hard court and grass season then?

He will play the grass, he usually has no issue with it. I would not be surprised if a few excuses popped up for skipping the upcoming hard courts. We will just have to see He has repeatedly told people he does not like hard courts and wants them off tour. His words, not mine.

When did you start watching tennis? Rafa has won slams on hard courts and grass and wouldn't bet against him winning more on those surfaces. Now that kind of blows your theory put of the water that he hates those surfaces. Actually he hates the damage it does to his knees but still loves competing in them. Big difference there. Anyway best to let it drop homo otherwise you will be tagged as something before long here. Just stick to tennis facts - not an order just a piece of advice.

Homogenised is free to peddle their PEDs stuff, it's a free world. However, the tone of the posts is clearly Nadal fan wind up material, doesn't take Sir Albert of Einstein to work that one out.

Nadal has been on the come back trail months, yet when he gets to the SF vs Djokovic in a slam and another potential major trophy is in the off'ing lo and behold homogenised joins the forum on June 4th and immediately the tone is negative and accusatory. Given the join date and tone they're probably a Djokovic fan, whats clear is they're particularly rabid antiNadal, fair enough it's a free world but the level of feeling seems "well oiled" and as such they must be posting similar often elsewhere. So I wonder who the curly haired quantum physicist would think it is...lol.

Anyway, on the OP the best response is logical rebuttal but that just goes back and forth into a dark long tunnel. However, in a potted nutshell (mixing my metaphors) I look for sudden swings in results to indicate these guys are potentially doping. Especially mid-career. In Nadal's defence I have never seen any obvious surges in results. This is the player who beat defending RG champ Costa in a the Monte Carlo clay Masters in straights as a 16 year old. Furthermore he went to beat #1 ranked prime Federer on faster HC as it was at 17 years old. He then went on win Masters and slams 18 years. He's also had a documented history of foot and knee trouble since he was 19. So are we supposed he was doping as a 15 or 16 year old to kick start all these amazing performances? Or it is easier to believe he's a phenomenally gifted tennis player who also happens to be an exceptionally gifted athlete too?

The OP incidiously infers, as an undercurrent behind the knee story, that Nadal has cheated his way to success leading to bans, etc, but I don't see the smoking gun(s) of obvious surges in results. Regarding the 2012 knee trouble he'd been playing with particularly chronic pain for months since AO12, he withdrew vs Murray in Miami and then played through RG with pain. Knee injuries are notoriously hard to diagnose what's actually wrong given poor vascular supply, and I agree information coming out wasn't clear but this doesn't mean we have to simply leap to the conclusion the guy was doping beforehand. Isn't most of it driven by the politics of envy?

You mean, like your comments about Djokovic on peds?

I don't know anything about PEDs and therefore have no opinion on this with regards to tennis or any of the players. Though I disagree with some of the things the OP has posted, for example him shoving Rosol to me just looked like he was walking past him, I agree with them about the gamesmanship and those issues.

As for the knees thing, I think he probably has had problems with his knees throughout his career but it's too coincidental how they're "career threatening" just after a major loss, especially when the other player was on an unreal level producing a once in a decade display. FO 2009, last wimbledon... ffs he wasn't even healthy when he lost to Fed in 2007 at wimbledon. I think it's safe to say that if a player manages to hit more than 25 winners past him then he's not at his best or has some problems. My opinion is that his ego or image just can't take these "embarassing losses" when he could easily have shaken them off like anyone else would.

break_in_the_fifth wrote:ffs he wasn't even healthy when he lost to Fed in 2007 at wimbledon. I think it's safe to say that if a player manages to hit more than 25 winners past him then he's not at his best or has some problems.

Typical Nadal fan, Rafa can never lose when he is fit , but just on a curious note why was he not fit in Wimbledon 2007? coz this is the first time I am hearing it, even for Rafa it would be a news.

I've heard a few people say something was up in 2007. Not at the time but in hindsight. That wasn't my main point though. Maybe he can't lose when he is fit... I'm seriously beginning to feel that way. Perhaps his game is perfect, he's got such a massive margin for error while causing a disproportionate amount of difficulty for his opponent based on the risk he's taking himself with every shot. It's all so easy for him. Just has to loop the ball in the general area of the ad court and his opponent will struggle wherever the ball lands. If the opponent hits a great shot, no problem, he's always standing far enough back to retrieve it and make the opponent pay for doing anything interesting.

break_in_the_fifth wrote:I've heard a few people say something was up in 2007. Not at the time but in hindsight. That wasn't not my main point though. Maybe he can't lose when he is fit... I'm seriously beginning to feel that way. Perhaps his game is perfect, he's got such a massive margin for error while causing a disproportionate amount of difficulty for his opponent based on the risk he's taking himself with every shot. It's all so easy for him. Just has to loop the ball in the general area of the ad court and his opponent will struggle wherever the ball lands. If the opponent hits a great shot, no problem, he's always standing far enough back to retrieve it and make the opponent pay for doing anything interesting.

We know that BITF , that Rafa can't lose when he is fit , we also know Djoko's best is the best , after all fan are not baised towards their favorite players then we all wouldn't be in this forum But there is a big difference in reality to illusion, very similar to my thoughts of David winning the crown tomorrow.

Amazing are some of the things you read here. So Nadal missed Wimby '09, his self-professed favourite tournament where he made 5 consecutive finals between '06 and '11 simply cos his ego couldn't take a one-off shock result against Soderling? Nevermind that on returning, he took a mauling at Flushing meadows and couldn't buy a win over a top 10 player until a late, post-season Davis Cup clash on clay with Berdych. Nevermind he looked so poor with evident weight loss that many predicted he wouldn't win another slam. Suddenly, that too has become one big conspiracy. How stupid is that?

Mr. Thierry, this place can be a zoo, sometimes. The suggestion is that everytime Nadal loses/takes time out due to injury he is actually starting a new doping cycle/ has tested positive and is being "quietly banned". He is never injured, ever!

kingraf wrote:Mr. Thierry, this place can be a zoo, sometimes. The suggestion is that everytime Nadal loses/takes time out due to injury he is actually starting a new doping cycle/ has tested positive and is being "quietly banned". He is never injured, ever!

The best is the silent ban, have to appreciate people have so much creativity

Apparently, losing at Wimbledon to a relative nobody like Rosol (with due respect) is worse for his ego than losing 7 consecutive tournament final matches to his greatest rival. That's why the mighty Rosol made him go home and cry for 8 months while insignificant Djokovic didn't after 7 consecutive losses. Makes perfect logical sense.

And you think he was crying over Rosol rather than crying over the fact that he thought he might never play tennis again.. REALLY how interesting

He made the semis at that USO so didn't really take a mauling, not early on anyway, and also Del Potro was good that tournament perhaps his best ever. How often has he looked brilliant at the end of the season, after the USO? He did look great against Hewitt, the match before Soderling. Genuine smile on his face as the umpire confirmed his last point was an ace.

I don't think I've heard anyone talk about bans here but I guess it's convenient to try to lump anyone who's not totally convinced by Nadal's story with the craziest sounding group. Given you've had uncle Toni feeling the need to say that Nadal wouldn't have lost that match if he was fit, it suggests something of an ego and/or a carefully managed "undefeatable" image.

As for losing to other players. What does or doesn't make perfect logical sense? Djokovic is a known an respected player and is less catastrophic to lose to. Also, as you've made the finals it's harder to pretend something was up when you beat everyone else. Didn't stop people trying though.

Haddie-nuff wrote:And you think he was crying over Rosol rather than crying over the fact that he thought he might never play tennis again.. REALLY how interesting

What are you on about? I'm merely using the rather brilliant rationale of someone suggesting Nadal's ego couldn't deal with losing to Rosol and so decided to skip 8 months of tennis by feigning injury. Just like he did after RG'09. It's a conspiracy!

Thats exactly what I thought you meant... ridiculous

_homogenised_ wrote:Is this the biggest lie of all time? It seems whenever these phantom knees appear, they go away just as quickly, and Nadal somehow manages 5 set marathons like it is nothing. If there was anything wrong with his knees all this play and ultra defending would surely show it up. The knee claims seem to always come after he loses. Funny that.

What exactly is the proof he suffers with bad knees? Maybe it is just another one of Nadal's tics...

PERHAPS ALL THOSE WHO DOUBT THE PROBLEMS WITH NADAL´S KNEE WOULD LIKE TO VIEW THIS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2U7MIP7fg0