Predict next year's 6Ns table. Ah g'wan g'wan.

Well England won't win any more than they'll come below second.

France
England
Ireland
Wales
Italy
Scotland

France and Ireland will spring back, England will be England, Wales will be Wales and Scotland & Italy will assume their normal missionary/submissive rôles.

I'd like to start a poll but 6! is too many for the voting allocations allowed.

Depends what happens on the rest of this tour and how the AI's pan out, but I don't see a good 2014 for Wales at all!

We have numerous injuries now, will exhaust our best in the AI's and pick up some more injuries and by the time the 6N rolls around they will be so fatigued, dishevelled and sick of losing club games we will lose our opener (no matter who we play) and struggle to bounce back.

2 wins at best for Wales if the fixture list is kind.

Ireland
England
France
Scotland
Wales
Italy

France
Ireland
England
Wales
Scotland
Italy


Normal service resumed.

Wales
England
France
Scotland
Ireland
Italy

Little better than a guess at this stage though obviously, will have a better idea about Christmas time

Now that we have the dizzy number of lions (4)...


Scotland
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The rest

why not....a nice break from 'lions wars'
France,
England,
Wales,
Scotland,
Ireland,
Italy.......France and Ireland could easily swap places though! Wales suffering from lionitis and the Gatland effect and I really reckon Scotland are half way around that big corner they're turning.

Ireland will be the challenger for the title with Wales and France, England to come 4th and Scotland V Italy for bottom spot. I think Wales will win their home three games and England away but Ireland may beat Wales at Home. I think Scotland may suffer a whitewash as the Sctot Johnson feel good factor dies away. I can see a points difference winner, the teams with three home games having the advantage.

All conjecture of course but Ireland are a couple of retirements/injuries away from something of a worry and Scotland? well if they start playing like they now have the players to? who knows!
(btw I don't see England losing a home game at all at the minute, purely down to strength in depth)

I feel it in my english ancestoral bones England will win it next year.

Ah, wait, I have no English bones.

Anyhow, I feel it in my bones England will win it next year, with Frnace recovering from their slump to challenge strongly, Wales or Ireland to come third, Scotland and Italy to bring up the rear.

No wait, Wales, England and Ireland to be hampered by injuries after the Lions tour, so France to win, Scotland and England to fight for second spot, Ireland and Wales to fight for the 4th spot and Italy, well just being Italy.

No wait, agh, don't know.

Biltong wrote:I feel it in my english ancestoral bones England will win it next year.

Ah, wait, I have no English bones.

Anyhow, I feel it in my bones England will win it next year, with Frnace recovering from their slump to challenge strongly, Wales or Ireland to come third, Scotland and Italy to bring up the rear.

No wait, Wales, England and Ireland to be hampered by injuries after the Lions tour, so France to win, Scotland and England to fight for second spot, Ireland and Wales to fight for the 4th spot and Italy, well just being Italy.

No wait, agh, don't know.

Count the Saffers Bilt. Then allocate pro-rata.

That's the way you usually do it (before another moan).

greytiger wrote:

Biltong wrote:I feel it in my english ancestoral bones England will win it next year.

Ah, wait, I have no English bones.

Anyhow, I feel it in my bones England will win it next year, with Frnace recovering from their slump to challenge strongly, Wales or Ireland to come third, Scotland and Italy to bring up the rear.

No wait, Wales, England and Ireland to be hampered by injuries after the Lions tour, so France to win, Scotland and England to fight for second spot, Ireland and Wales to fight for the 4th spot and Italy, well just being Italy.

No wait, agh, don't know.

Count the Saffers Bilt. Then allocate pro-rata.

That's the way you usually do it (before another moan).

i will need another method soon, only have ten digits, and counting them between the nations is becoming tougher.

What mis it now?

France 3
Italy 2 sometimes 3
Ireland 1 will improve in a few years
Scotland nit long to go
England I have lost count, 2,3,4 I don't know anymore
Wales none yet.

Really God, France top.
France is not changing their policies at club level which is clearly hampering their national team.
Ireland (will be much more in order with Schmidt around)
Wales (I dot think we can make it a 3 in a row, would be amazing though)
England (still will be a bit inexperienced)
Scotland
shoot out between Italy and France

I expect big things from Ireland with Schmidt in charge. Ireland to win the grand slam.

Biltong wrote:

greytiger wrote:

Biltong wrote:I feel it in my english ancestoral bones England will win it next year.

Ah, wait, I have no English bones.

Anyhow, I feel it in my bones England will win it next year, with Frnace recovering from their slump to challenge strongly, Wales or Ireland to come third, Scotland and Italy to bring up the rear.

No wait, Wales, England and Ireland to be hampered by injuries after the Lions tour, so France to win, Scotland and England to fight for second spot, Ireland and Wales to fight for the 4th spot and Italy, well just being Italy.

No wait, agh, don't know.

Count the Saffers Bilt. Then allocate pro-rata.

That's the way you usually do it (before another moan).

i will need another method soon, only have ten digits, and counting them between the nations is becoming tougher.

What mis it now?

France 3
Italy 2 sometimes 3
Ireland 1 will improve in a few years
Scotland nit long to go
England I have lost count, 2,3,4 I don't know anymore only 1 in the eps
Wales none yet. 1 maybe 2 in there squad

There you go bilt, may help you choose

Thanks mate, still doesn't help me much though.

Biltong wrote:Thanks mate, still doesn't help me much though.

Bilt: You have been upgraded automatically to twenty digits without fee.

Enjoy!

Regards

Customeresrvicesnoreply@god.com

France normally win following the Lions - but I can't see them turning it around in a year.

1. England (beating Wales at Twickernam to finish top)
2. Wales
3. Ireland
4. Scotland
5. France
6. Italy

cheers, thank GT,

5th for Wales.

2 in a row was pushing it.

PS-A and France were just kidding last year - the French always do years out from the RWC.

Maybe my prediction of first is pushing it a bit but I'll not be wildly wrong.
Definitely a resumption of normal service with Scotly and Italand contesting the minor places though.

Another GS for the boys in red. Gatland will have so much insight on the other home nations and we have France at home. Happy days

RubyGuby wrote:Another GS for the boys in red. Gatland will have so much insight on the other home nations and we have France at home. Happy days

I'd suggest the other coaches and players knowing Gatland and Gatland knowing them would benefit the other home nations far more than Gatland and Wales

Lets wait n see blues but I'm confident

I definitely feel like France will be a long time before they are serious challengers again; the Top14 is stifling their national side.

Three way battle between Wales, Ireland and England.

Notch wrote:

Three way battle between Wales, Ireland and England.

That's pretty much the way I see it.

For Ireland it will be dependent on what impact Schmitt has

For England it will be whether they can sort out their weaknesses (they have started already on their tour to Argentina) and keep their experienced players fit - They have Wales and Ireland at Twickernam so are probably favourites in my view

Wales have the talent for another slam, but injuries could be a problem with such a long season - Wales do have a lot of depth at the moment though, but they will need their best to take out Ireland and England away from home. France, Scotland and Italy at home should put them in the mix at least.

Has to be said that Ireland's and Wales' GS chances are best in odd years whilst the Franglos chances are best suited to the even ones.

Meanwhile Scotly's best realistic GS opportunities remain in those years with a z in them.

Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

France
Scotland
Wales
England
Italy
Ireland

you read it here first

I'll leave Scotland out of it because like every year I believe this will be Scotland's grand slam year, unfortunately this has very rarely lasted more than ten minutes into the first game.

1. France
2. England
3. Ireland
4. Wales
5. Italy

t1000advancedprototype wrote:5th for Wales.

2 in a row was pushing it.

Still did it though didn't we AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
and with great style

If we play anything like we did today Scotland will not only be the wooden spoon holders, but by a record negative aggregate score

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

123456789 wrote:

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

It does help that after a Lions tour is always an even year when they get to play England and Ireland in Paris.

Wales will be there tough trip next year though

wales606 wrote:

123456789 wrote:

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

It does help that after a Lions tour is always an even year when they get to play England and Ireland in Paris.

Wales will be there tough trip next year though

Do you think Wales will suffer next year as a result of the Lions and also a lot of English, Irish and Scottish players having inside knowledge on most of their players and coaches?

123456789 wrote:

wales606 wrote:

123456789 wrote:

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

It does help that after a Lions tour is always an even year when they get to play England and Ireland in Paris.

Wales will be there tough trip next year though

Do you think Wales will suffer next year as a result of the Lions and also a lot of English, Irish and Scottish players having inside knowledge on most of their players and coaches?

Don't think the inside knowledge will help much.

Injuries could be a problems, but we always have injuries going into a 6Ns

At the moment, only 1 of Wales starting XV is injured - which is a bloody miracle.

wales606 wrote:

123456789 wrote:

wales606 wrote:

123456789 wrote:

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

It does help that after a Lions tour is always an even year when they get to play England and Ireland in Paris.

Wales will be there tough trip next year though

Do you think Wales will suffer next year as a result of the Lions and also a lot of English, Irish and Scottish players having inside knowledge on most of their players and coaches?

Don't think the inside knowledge will help much.

Injuries could be a problems, but we always have injuries going into a 6Ns

At the moment, only 1 of Wales starting XV is injured - which is a bloody miracle.

I was thinking more on the exhaustion side, having played 5 or more games in May/ June/ July and not getting a proper holiday as well as a large amount playing in France where they won't be rested and 4 Autumn internationals. In contrast from Scotland and Ireland who have three Autumn internationals less than ten players touring and the ability to rest their pro players whereas the players in France won't get the same time to rest and the regions no longer have the strength in depth to afford to rest players nor does it seem likely they'll do the WRU any favours

Ireland had an injury nightmare this year and they get to rest a lot of their internationals at club level and play fairly tame AIs

It's partly down to luck, but it certainly worsens the odds of us having a fit squad.

123456789 wrote:

greytiger wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes well bearing in mind we have France and England at Murrayfield should taste things up - someone is going to get a hammering from Scotland. If we can get Duncan Weir back quickly with Jackson supporting at FH then our backline options look really good.

Traditionally that's one of the reasons that GSs are easier for Franglia in even years.

England last won a grand slam in 2003 and before that 1995 and haven't won a even grand slam for 22 years and only twice in the last 70 and two of France's last three came after Lions tours which will probably have something to do with it. Scotland have won more even year Grand slams than England in the last thirty years so your point is invalid.

In even years England play W&Ir at home and F,It&S away. That's why I consider even years easier.

Wales have still failed to EVER finish 2nd or 3rd in the 6Nations

They were so close this year, but then they completely blew it in the last game,

I was gutted