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Post by McLaren Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:15 am

First topic message reminder :

Casey
Clarke
Donald
Harrington
Lawrie
McDowell
Monty
Poulter
Rose
Westwood


Here is my list

1. Westwood
2. Monty
3. Donald
4. Rose
5. Harrington
6. Clarke
7. McDowell
8. Lawrie
9. Casey
10. Poulter

I will justify as the thread develops.
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Post by princedracula Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:23 pm

Mac - it was a quick search I did at the time, just sampled the owgr twice a year (middle and end of year), so that plot misses some of the details inbetween, obviously...

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Post by Tinmar Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:25 pm

Thanks for those stats.

It's interesting that Harrington was ahead of Westwood in the OWGR the entire time from 2002 until early 2010 and at least 90% of this time was spent inside the Top 10.

McLaren - Westwood is currently No 12 in the rankings. Do you think that makes him one of the best in the world right now? If so, you can't possibly have any difficulty with recognising Harrington as one of the best in the world for 8 successive years when he held a similar ranking or better. A long way from one good summer, isn't it?

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Post by McLaren Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:27 pm

One thing is certain. Harrington is the worst three time major winner ever.
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Post by Tinmar Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 pm

Gary Player is the worst nine time major winner ever!

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Post by pedro Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:16 pm

Great analysis pd. Gives some kudos to PH. Only his RC record is dodgy.

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Post by pedro Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:20 pm

I guess we've done "who's the worst major winner ever". But who's the worst WGC winner? Or OOM winner? Kevin Sutherland? Robert Karlsson?

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:30 pm

Any trick to opening princedrac's "spoliers"? Never had a problem before.


PS: Big Karlsson fan here! As good as anyone in the world towards the end of 2008, then afflicted with health issues.

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Post by pedro Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:34 pm

Agree re Karlsson kwini, but still the "worst"?

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Post by princedracula Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:09 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Any trick to opening princedrac's "spoliers"? Never had a problem before.


Not working? Seems to work ok for me... but I wouldn't be surprised if for some it doesn't work.
As I said earlier, I have to do all sorts of messing about to get the pics linked in. Before it was all straightforward...

Whoever made changes to this software needs to do a fixing job very quickly, there are bugs everywhere now...thumbsdown

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:18 pm

For some reason it now works. Now I feel like I'm going blind.
Nice graphs pd - Thanks.

navyblueshorts, Barragan, Any comments regarding the software changes??

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Post by JAS Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:48 pm

Mac...you complete stirrer...good thread Wink

I think I've said before I'd rather have my name on the Claret jug than at the top of the page in a stats book...but thats just me and my opinion isn't really any measure of greatness. That being said, winning a major does bring with it an elevation in status, whether 1 major counterbalances n OOM titles, hmmm maybe not, WN1 hmmm how many weeks over what period of time? 3 majors though, you seriously cant argue with...
What other criteria are we factoring in? Entertainment factor? shot making ability? consistency? personality? bottle? all round game? Bouncebackability?
So...

Harrington (3 Majors...simples)
Monty  (best never to win a major - had the talent to win at least 3, call it (lack of) luck, bottle, whatever)
McDowell, Rose (Major in the bag and they are still capable of winning more - both have bottle)
Donald (WN1 and top of both money lists in same year - can still win a major)
Clarke (Great to see him comeback to win a major way after his peak - never say never)
Westwood (Frustrating - should be higher up the list as the talent is there, needs to convert more)
Lawrie (detest him being called a "lucky" Major winner - he deserved it, sneaky good RC record too)
Poulter (take his RC record away and really...what's he done? )
Casey (where is he now? what happened to that huge potential?)

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Post by super_realist Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:05 am

What's Poulter done? Well two more WGC's than Westwood for a start.

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Post by JAS Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:22 am

super_realist wrote:What's Poulter done? Well two more WGC's than Westwood for a start

Ah...Fair point.   I think Westwood does flatter to deceive. Was he actually that consistently good to be WN1 or was it a lucky quirk of the rankings? I've thought for a while he could/should win a biggie or 2 but the raw facts are....he hasn't.

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Post by Diggers Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:30 am

To be fair Poultrys second WGC was an utter damp squib. When the worlds top 2 players can't be bothered to turn up you have to accept its really not being taken very seriously at all.

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Post by raycastleunited Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:13 am

This is a good thread, but you're not really comparing like with like. It's not til these players are retired that you can look back at their achievements (or lack) and assess them fairly.

With 3 majors in the bag, you have to rank Paddy at the top of the list, but who's to say what McDowell or Rose will do over the next 10 years? Both of them could easily end up with 3 majors each.

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Post by sirbenson Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:26 pm

Harrington
Rose
Clarke
McDowell
Westwood
Montgomerie
Donald 
Lawrie
Poulter
Casey

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:33 am

Roller Coaster wrote:I'm Never Wrong lives up to his monicker. That's how I suspect the history books would view it (with the caveat) at this moment in time.

Exactly my thoughts...and that's why I asked if it was overall.

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Post by hogie Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:15 pm

Harrington
Monty       
Westwood
Donald         
Clarke         
McDowell 
Rose           
Lawrie        
Poulter    
Casey     

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