Wales vs England Junior World Cup Final 2013.

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SUNDAY 23 JUNE - KO 17:45 - Stade de la Rabine in Vannes FRANCE
 


Coverage -


Sky Sports 2 - 17:30 - 20:00
TG4 - 17:35 - 19:37
S4C - 17:35 – 19:37

Referee: Mike Fraser (New Zealand)

Assistant Referees: Andrew Lees (Australia), Mathieu Noirot (France)


Wales:
Jordan Williams (Scarlets/Llanelli); Ashley Evans (Ospreys/Bridgend), Steffan Hughes (Scarlets/Llanelli), Jack Dixon (Dragons), Hallam Amos (Dragons/Newport); Sam Davies (Ospreys/Swansea), Rhodri Williams (Scarlets/Llandovery); Gareth Thomas (Scarlets/Carmarthen Quins), Elliot Dee (Dragons/Bedwas), Nicky Thomas (Ospreys/Swansea), Carwyn Jones (Scarlets/Carmarthen), Rhodri Hughes (Ospreys/Swansea), Jack Jones (Ospreys/Rovigo), Ieuan Jones (Dragons/Newport), Ellis Jenkins (capt, Blues/Cardiff).

Replacements:
Ethan Lewis (Blues/Cardiff), Thomas Davies (Blues/Cardiff), Dan Suter (Ospreys/Bridgend), James Benjamin (Dragons/Bedwas), Daniel Thomas (Scarlets/Llanelli), Joshua Davies (Dragons/Bedwas), Owen Jenkins (Blues/Pontypridd), Thomas Pascoe (Blues/Pontypridd).



England:
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs); Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Harry Sloan (Harlequins), Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors); Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Alex Day (Northampton Saints); Alec Hepburn (London Wasps), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons); Tom Price (Leicester Tigers), Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby), Matt Hankin (Saracens), Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (capt).

Replacements:
Scott Spurling (Saracens), Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints), Tom Smallbone (London Irish), Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers), David Sisi (Bath Rugby), Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby), Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby), Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers).


What a fantastic semi final stage to lead to this great finale to the annual Junior comp.


Wales and England me in the finale of the Six Nations where England's massive and talented pack tore Waes apart exploiting their weakness at scrum. The Welsh lads seem to have improved their scrum massively and tonight took SA to pieces at the scrum.

It is wonderful to see two NH teams in the final, both deservedly so.

nathan wrote:will be interesting to see if the england team can recover after a 4 day turnaround. i expect them to look knackered in the last 20 minutes of the final

It will be the same for Wales I think.
England smashed Wales in the 6 nations, they just bullied us out of the game. I'd be amazed if that didn't happen in the final.

nathan wrote:will be interesting to see if the england team can recover after a 4 day turnaround. i expect them to look knackered in the last 20 minutes of the final

???

Wales have a 4 day turnaround too?

IronMike wrote:Some of Jordan Williams' highlights so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2Cirf_RfiEI

an exciting prospect for us Welsh

That kid needs to be playing regional rugby

Pity he has Liam Williams in front of him - he could really push for a starting place at the O's or Dragons.

wales606 wrote:

IronMike wrote:Some of Jordan Williams' highlights so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2Cirf_RfiEI

an exciting prospect for us Welsh

That kid needs to be playing regional rugby

Pity he has Liam Williams in front of him - he could really push for a starting place at the O's or Dragons.

I agree the Ospreys could really use someone like that.

I'm not sure the Scarlets will really use him, they had a player just like him called Lee Rees a few seasons ago and they stuck him at Llandovery and left him there.

http://www.llandoveryrfc.co.uk/Teams/Player/?PersonId=137058

Look at 4:30, 7:50 on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHEmGIo3GI

And here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKRtiQh-x_Q

They are just not interested in small, skillful players I'm afraid.

England Under-20s must be on top form - Henry Slade
By Brent PilnickBBC South West Sport
England Under-20s must be on top form if they are to win the Junior World Cup for the first time by beating Wales on Sunday, says fly-half Henry Slade.
England became the first team ever to prevent New Zealand from reaching the final when theybeat the four-time champions 33-21 on Tuesday.
"They're a really tough team and we've got to be right on the money," Exeter's Slade toldBBC South West Sport.
"We played them in the Six Nations decider in March and that was tough."

“It's awesome to have two northern hemisphere teams in the final for the first time”

Henry Slade
England, who beat Wales 28-15 in Colwyn Bay, will face their rivals again in the French town of Vannes on Sunday.
New Zealand won the first four Junior World Cups, beating England in the final on three occasions, and have only ever lost one, to South Africa last year.
And Slade, who made his Premiership debut for Exeter late last season after a spell on dual-registration with hometown Championship club Plymouth Albion, says beating the Kiwis by 12 points is one of the highlights of his fledgling career.
"It didn't feel that convincing, it was closer than the scoreline suggests, in that second half we were defending for our lives really," he said.
"We got an interception try in the first half and that probably took us away from them a bit.
"But credit to our boys' defence, it shows the great team spirit we have in the camp to keep working when our backs were against the wall, especially in the first 20 minutes of the second half.
"That was the first time they haven't reached the final, so it was an awesome effort from our lads considering how good that Kiwi team was.
"It's awesome to have two northern hemisphere teams in the final for the first time."

wales606 wrote:

nathan wrote:will be interesting to see if the england team can recover after a 4 day turnaround. i expect them to look knackered in the last 20 minutes of the final

???

Wales have a 4 day turnaround too?

?????

and which part does that detract from what i said?

Shifty wrote:

wales606 wrote:

IronMike wrote:Some of Jordan Williams' highlights so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2Cirf_RfiEI

an exciting prospect for us Welsh

That kid needs to be playing regional rugby

Pity he has Liam Williams in front of him - he could really push for a starting place at the O's or Dragons.

I agree the Ospreys could really use someone like that.  

I'm not sure the Scarlets will really use him, they had a player just like him called Lee Rees a few seasons ago and they stuck him at Llandovery and left him there.  

http://www.llandoveryrfc.co.uk/Teams/Player/?PersonId=137058

Look at 4:30, 7:50 on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHEmGIo3GI

And here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKRtiQh-x_Q

They are just not interested in small, skillful players I'm afraid.  

Scarlets played Jordan Williams a number of times until he got injured

Finally home last night and an opportunity to watch my HD recorded version of the SA semi final game rather than from a lap top.

Very impressed with Wales defence and set piece.

Do worry about the Welsh defending line out tactics though

in the six nations game England forwards battered us but hopefully that won't be the case this time around Sunday . still can't see any out come other then a English win but Wales done extremely well to reach the final . good luck Wales . feels like English forward power against Wales flair like it was a few years ago

You are right but our defence has done a lot of of work before this tournament. We are pretty solid. It's defending the line out we have issues with.

That said refereeing inconsistency is an issue in this tournament, certainly in the SA game compared to previous.

Wales are well organised and patient and have pace and skill in the backs. They can deal with England but it will be another very tough game.

(17:15 – 19:50) – 17:45 – WALES U20 v ENGLAND U20 – IRB JUNIOR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP – S4C plus TG4 (17:35 – 19:37) plus Sky Sports2 (17:30 – 20:00)
Referee: Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Andrew Lees (Australia), Mathieu Noirot (France)
 
http://www.irb.com/jwc/matches/match=13964/index.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,14793_8785554,00.html
http://www.voltbet.com/england-wales-junior-rwc-voltbet-preview-23-june/
http://www.inattheside.com/15-jwc-graduates-in-british-irish-lions-squad/

Cheers Pete

I'll add that to the OP...!

Very excited for this game, as I am sure you are too.

3 Changes by Wales

New Hooker, which makes sense considering the lineout issues last games

Carwyn Jones returns at lock after being a late withdrawal last game

His replacement moves to 6, I guess to increase the physicality in the backrow

Good changes


Wales: Jordan Williams (Scarlets / Llanelli); Ashley Evans (Ospreys / Bridgend), Steffan Hughes (Scarlets / Llanelli), Jack Dixon (Dragons), Hallam Amos (Dragons / Newport); Sam Davies (Ospreys / Swansea), Rhodri Williams (Scarlets / Llandovery); Gareth Thomas (Scarlets / Carmarthen Quins), Elliot Dee (Dragons / Bedwas), Nicky Thomas (Ospreys / Swansea), Carwyn Jones (Scarlets / Carmarthen), Rhodri Hughes (Ospreys / Swansea), Jack Jones (Ospreys / Rovigo), Ieuan Jones (Dragons / Newport), Ellis Jenkins (capt, Blues / Cardiff).

Replacements: Ethan Lewis (Blues / Cardiff), Thomas Davies (Blues /Cardiff), Dan Suter (Ospreys/ Bridgend), James Benjamin (Dragons/ Bedwas), Daniel Thomas (Scarlets/ Llanelli), Joshua Davies (Dragons / Bedwas), Owen Jenkins (Blues/ Pontypridd), Thomas Pascoe (Blues / Pontypridd).

I guess all the stuff about Wales not selecting players outside of Wales was cowpat. According to his dad Wales asked Moriarty to be in their U18 but he had already agreed to England.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23007005


Doesn't mean he won't change his mind again

England Under-20s
15 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs) 14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby) 13 Harry Sloan (Harlequins) 12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs) 11 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors) 10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs) 9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints) 1 Alec Hepburn (London Wasps) 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs) 3 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons) 4 Tom Price (Leicester Tigers) 5 Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie) 6 Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby) 7 Matt Hankin (Saracens) 8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements:
16 Scott Spurling (Saracens) 17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints) 18 Tom Smallbone (London Irish) 19 Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers) 20 David Sisi (Bath Rugby) 21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby) 22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby) 23 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)

What is Moriarty doing playing for England

RubyGuby wrote:What is Moriarty doing playing for England

We asked first, apparently

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:What is Moriarty doing playing for England

We asked first, apparently

Wales do not select players based outside Wales. As England have an a team there is nothing stopping him playing for Wales seniors.

How can Moriarty live with himself?!

Under an hour to go..!

This is going to be great.

Wales: Jordan Williams (Scarlets/Llanelli); Ashley Evans (Ospreys/Bridgend), Steffan Hughes (Scarlets/Llanelli), Jack Dixon (Dragons), Hallam Amos (Dragons/Newport); Sam Davies (Ospreys/Swansea), Rhodri Williams (Scarlets/Llandovery); Gareth Thomas (Scarlets/Carmarthen Quins), Elliot Dee (Dragons/Bedwas), Nicky Thomas (Ospreys/Swansea), Carwyn Jones (Scarlets/Carmarthen), Rhodri Hughes (Ospreys/Swansea), Jack Jones (Ospreys/Rovigo), Ieuan Jones (Dragons/Newport), Ellis Jenkins (capt, Blues/Cardiff).
Replacements: Ethan Lewis (Blues/Cardiff), Thomas Davies (Blues/Cardiff), Dan Suter (Ospreys/Bridgend), James Benjamin (Dragons/Bedwas), Daniel Thomas (Scarlets/Llanelli), Joshua Davies (Dragons/Bedwas), Owen Jenkins (Blues/Pontypridd), Thomas Pascoe (Blues/Pontypridd).
England: Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs); Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Harry Sloan (Harlequins), Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors); Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Alex Day (Northampton Saints); Alec Hepburn (London Wasps), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons); Tom Price (Leicester Tigers), Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby), Matt Hankin (Saracens), Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (capt).
Replacements: Scott Spurling (Saracens), Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints), Tom Smallbone (London Irish), Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers), David Sisi (Bath Rugby), Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby), Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby), Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers).

maestegmafia wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:What is Moriarty doing playing for England

We asked first, apparently

Wales do not select players based outside Wales. As England have an a team there is nothing stopping him playing for Wales seniors.

His Dad said that Wales did ask, selection policy or not, but he had already agreed to play for England u20s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23007005

ChequeredJersey wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:What is Moriarty doing playing for England

We asked first, apparently

Wales do not select players based outside Wales. As England have an a team there is nothing stopping him playing for Wales seniors.

His Dad said that Wales did ask, selection policy or not, but he had already agreed to play for England u20s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23007005

Bugger, looks like he has inherited the best of the Moriarty Bloodline. His options are still open for senior rugby though, where as if he had played for Wales u20s he would be committed to Wales.

ChequeredJersey wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:What is Moriarty doing playing for England

We asked first, apparently

Wales do not select players based outside Wales. As England have an a team there is nothing stopping him playing for Wales seniors.

His Dad said that Wales did ask, selection policy or not, but he had already agreed to play for England u20s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23007005

Wow serious deja vu. Was this not thrashed out on another thread?

At U18 level Wales are again happy to select players outside wales. Rhys Williams in the Tigers academy was a try scorer for Wales in this seasons FIRA-AER Under 18 tournament

anyone got a link?

S4c clic are showing it live online.

ta

http://www.s4c.co.uk/clic/c_live.shtml

Also on Skysports 2

Regrettably I don't have sky sports and am stuck in a library like I have been for most of the past 2 weeks!

S4c working for you though???

Yes, thanks very much maesteg!

http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-2.php

I thought the Welsh were meant to be good singers!

Let's hope for a good game. Luck to both sides.

Not that our lads are any better, get Matt Stevens on there...

Just turned on. Hope the Welsh sang better than the English!!!

who is the English player with the mullet and moustache?!

That was some awful singing from the English

Wales with the advantage there...

MarcusHalberstram wrote:Just turned on. Hope the Welsh sang better than the English!!!

nope

I think it should be a qualification requirement for England that you sing the anthem like that.

English hooker's hair/tash - what the actual?!

Strange comment from the commentator (who is Welsh for anyone not listening):

"Wales stand between England and World Cup glory"

Strange spin on it.

some great tumbles there

Clifford carrying well

very [patient from the ref, hard to tell whether that was the right call though

Iffy penalty against the head

Wales won't be happy with that decision

Would love to know how the ref worked that one out. Ah well.

should have got it really

very loose this

The commentator (whoever he is) is pro England. Guess he wants Barnes' job...