Pacquiao vs Marquez to be held at catchweight 143-145lbs

by D4thincarnation Mon 09 May 2011, 1:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

People were calling for this fight to be held at catchweight and they have been calling for this fight.

But now that it looks like it will happen at the catchweight people were calling for, will the boxing public be happy?

http://www.boxingscene.com/sources-pacquiao-marquez-held-catch-weight--38989

Sources in Mexico are reporting that a third meeting between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will likely have a catch-weight in place. Three weeks ago Marquez received an offer to face Pacquiao in a fall trilogy meeting. Marquez had a problem with some of the itemized terms that were listed in the offer. Pacquiao's promoter, Top Rank, is going to issue a new offer to Marquez on Monday. The revised offer will include several changes in areas that bothered Marquez. The catch-weight, reportedly, is going to fall between 143-145-pounds. Pacquiao has weighed between 144-145 for his last four welterweight ring appearances. Marquez has weighed between 133.5-134 for his last two lightweight title defenses. The fight could take place on November 5 or 12 in Las Vegas

What do you make of this news.

Should be a great fight.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 3:54 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao, Kibawe, Bukidnon, Philippines

I thought it was ' Heaven above Heaven. '

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 3:55 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Mayweather was #1 when he fought JMM though...

He'd been dropped from them due to inactivity. As usual.

Came back as #1 in the Yahoo rankings and Iole received hundreds of death threats from Pacquiao's psycho fans. Most of them from D4 probably.

Why do you worship that guy so much? Iole not Mayweather.

Worship? He's a respected boxing writer

And aired his thoughts about the amount of death threats and abuse he got from Pacquiao's nuthuggers

He's more respected than some of the "sources" you've provided before. Who could forget the blog you linked to regarding PPV numbers eh?! Joke.

And continuing the game....

God, Fluffy Cloud, Heaven

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 3:57 pm

And continuing the game....

God, Fluffy Cloud, Heaven
___________________________________________________

Thought D4 had already done that one a couple of posts ago.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 3:58 pm

One, Maca Two, Maca Three, Macarena.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 4:04 pm

http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-fort-smith/behavior-of-many-pacquiao-fans-bears-no-resemblance-to-the-persona-of-their-humble-idol

Some valid points here made about the nut-huggers. Also a lovely piccy there of the prophet Manny for D4.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 May 2011, 4:06 pm

Balti I still think he would crack on off with it.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 4:07 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-fort-smith/behavior-of-many-pacquiao-fans-bears-no-resemblance-to-the-persona-of-their-humble-idol

Some valid points here made about the nut-huggers. Also a lovely piccy there of the prophet Manny for D4.

Yes some of these so called boxing fans behave despicably, and should be ashamed of themselves.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 4:09 pm

prettyboykev wrote:Balti I still think he would crack on off with it.

That much is a given. He doesn't seem happy in that photo though. Could be from being outboxed...

Whistle

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 4:19 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-fort-smith/behavior-of-many-pacquiao-fans-bears-no-resemblance-to-the-persona-of-their-humble-idol

Some valid points here made about the nut-huggers. Also a lovely piccy there of the prophet Manny for D4.

Made me laugh a bit "What Would Manny Do = WWMD"

And then read the comments and found this beauty........

I have news for you Mr. Scoggins...We learned to be brutal and racist from you people...People like 'Corona', the gayweathers and a lot of these ignorant people who call us names..At the outset, we welcomed people to our shores in returned we were raped and we was not respected...Now we only returned all the compliments...

Apparently they're raping and not respecting, i can only assume in a verbal sense.

D4 - Did you write that by any chance?!

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 4:19 pm

p.s. apologies mods, i'm only quoting from another website

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 4:28 pm

Do you know the history of the Philippines and how the people were treated by the US and how they are still treated that way today.

Some people may still feel, angry about it and rightfully so.

Pacquiao biggest fight of all will be in his next career, where he hopes to defeat poverty in the Philippines, he may well fail in that fight but if anyone can Manny can.

by Adam D Wed 11 May 2011, 4:31 pm

Guys - this thread might just have run its course now.

The discussion has moved on from the catchweight stipulation and is now just idle banter about Manny etc.

If you wish to continue it, please do so in the Gloves (the pub thread)

Cheers

H

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 4:32 pm

Big difference between being a popular celebrity and being a popular and successful politician. Ask Schwarzenegger.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 4:32 pm

Fishing for replies in your thread Rolling Eyes

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 4:37 pm

where he hopes to defeat poverty in the Philippines

They've only been trying for god knows how many years

But Manny can do everything can't he!!

by MickeyGoldmill Wed 18 May 2011, 11:02 am

In a similar vein to the other catch weight discussions; I know its close to being agreed at 144 which is an optimal weight for MP. However, if it was agreed at 140 would this make it a more competive contest? Thoughts

by Valero's Conscience Wed 18 May 2011, 11:04 am

I think it would - I would still favour Pac but they would be meeting more on middle ground.

I couldn't care less what they weigh in on night and all that tosh, I only bother about the official weigh in.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:06 am

Probably should be in the 'Manny News' thread, mate.

I think Pac has just outgrown JMM now, and would win by a pretty comprehensive KO anywhere around or above 140.

by **88Chris05** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:07 am

As soon as this fight was touted I stated that I'd certainly prefer it at 140 lb; while in this case a catchweight isn't going to disadvantage either fighter too much, in general I don't care for them at all (a joke in this day and age of seventeen weight divisions) and I'd imagine that Pacquiao can still make Light-Welterweight, too.

by MickeyGoldmill Wed 18 May 2011, 11:10 am

This is not Manny News thread. Its a question; would the fight be more competitive at 140lbs? I think JMM would be better at the lower weight as he's a small chap and didn't look good at 145. Agree the fight would go the same way but in the spirit of making it more competative...

by BALTIMORA Wed 18 May 2011, 11:47 am

Still, even as a question shouldn't it really be merged? One rule for all, and all that?

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 11:52 am

BALTIMORA wrote:Still, even as a question shouldn't it really be merged? One rule for all, and all that?

Ditto on the above

Otherwise it'd look like we're just trying to gag D4....... Which we'd never do......

Plus they're close to signing @ 144, so this might as well be merged as it'll be deemed useless and pointless in a matter of 48hrs or so.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:54 am

BALTIMORA wrote:Still, even as a question shouldn't it really be merged? One rule for all, and all that?

My take is that, just so long as it stays on topic, it can run independently. The topic concerns a fight which might well be confirmed, shortly, and as such it's of universal interest. If they should sign at 144 then it might be better to merge it.

I just hope we can all debate the issues in the spirit of the thread, and that it won't descend into mayhem.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:56 am

I'd happily debate it, if this very question hadn't been asked umpteen times before.

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 11:57 am

If they should sign at 144 then it might be better to merge it.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167333-report-pacquiao-marquez-deal-imminent

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:58 am

Fists of Fury wrote:I'd happily debate it, if this very question hadn't been asked umpteen times before.

I'd agree, Fists, if there were a duplicate article on the front page. Since there isn't, I can't see that this one is causing a problem.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 11:59 am

coxy0001 wrote:
If they should sign at 144 then it might be better to merge it.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167333-report-pacquiao-marquez-deal-imminent

Got it, coxy.

I'll follow developments. Perhaps you'd let me know if and when it becomes a ' done deal.' Thanks.

by Rowley Wed 18 May 2011, 12:01 pm

Whilst I think the fight would be better at 140 we have to be realistic in this. Manny is the superstar and the guy who brings the money to the table in this one and so it is naive to think the guy holding all the aces will agree to things that give his opponent an advantage. He is apparently a nice guy but he is not that nice.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 18 May 2011, 12:05 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:I'd happily debate it, if this very question hadn't been asked umpteen times before.

I'd agree, Fists, if there were a duplicate article on the front page. Since there isn't, I can't see that this one is causing a problem.

If I were to be pedantic, Windy, I would point you in the direction of the 'Manny News' thread, wherein this exact topic can almost certainly be found (though I may be wrong, I have barely read the Manny or Floyd News topics since their creation).

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:05 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
If they should sign at 144 then it might be better to merge it.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167333-report-pacquiao-marquez-deal-imminent

Got it, coxy.

I'll follow developments. Perhaps you'd let me know if and when it becomes a ' done deal.' Thanks.

You'll hear about it as D4 will verbally spluff his load over:

1) Manny fighting a lightweight
2) Manny fighting a lightweight who's been getting put down by lightweights
3) Manny fighting a guy who when weighing 142lbs before looked useless/fat/slow
4) Manny fighting a guy who's 38.

Should be a cracking fight, i reallllllllllllllllly can't wait.

How about Bradley/Maidana from 140 Manny? They're probably "the same size as you" in the ring. Or why not Ortiz? Yup, you certainly are fighting the toughest out there. Joke for boxing again.

And people who think i'm simply having a go, i picked Katsidis to beat Marquez as i didn't think he had much left. As it was Katsidis was the warrior who's got jack all left... Marquez isn't far behind though.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:06 pm

MickeyGoldmill wrote:
In a similar vein to the other catch weight discussions; I know its close to being agreed at 144 which is an optimal weight for MP. However, if it was agreed at 140 would this make it a more competive contest? Thoughts

No both would weigh in around the same amount in the ring.

Wouldn't make the slightest.

by samevans1 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:12 pm

Nah, Pacquiao is bigger now. Considerably bigger in fact. Marquez is a small lightweight.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:17 pm

samevans1 wrote:Nah, Pacquiao is bigger now. Considerably bigger in fact. Marquez is a small lightweight.

The facts say he has a 1lbs less of an advantage that last time.

Last time they fought each other Marquez was 141lbs in the ring while Pacquiao was 145lbs in the ring, Pacquiao had a 4lbs weight advantage.

In their last fights Marquez was 145lbs in the ring and Pacquiao 148lbs, that 3 lbs difference.

If they fight again at the catchweight I expect the difference to be 2lbs or less.

It is quite clear that Pacquiao in not considerably bigger.

thumbsup

by Lumbering_Jack Wed 18 May 2011, 12:18 pm

Marquez is a blown up SFW. Joke fight if I am honest.

Looking horrible vs Floyd, put down by Katsidis, hurt by Diaz etc...

Manny TKO.

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:20 pm

Marquez getting knocked down by a lightweight

Manny has stopped a welterweight in Cotto and light welter in Hatton (not counting the DLH fight as i could've had him out of there that night!)

Should be reallllllll competitive.

And Marquez is still old.

D4, you were quoted as saying "When will X step up and fight a guy who's not 38".... Well, reversed round "when will Manny step up and fight a guy whos' not 39 or not 38?!?!?!?!??"

Would be a massacre.

And if Marquez's ring weight didn't matter - then why did he bulk up to face Mayweather? Surely he would have just weighed in at his normal comfortable weight and just rehydrated? Why did he try and bulk up? You can't answer that, can you?

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:25 pm

coxy0001 wrote:Marquez getting knocked down by a lightweight

Manny has stopped a welterweight in Cotto and light welter in Hatton (not counting the DLH fight as i could've had him out of there that night!)

Should be reallllllll competitive.

And Marquez is still old.

D4, you were quoted as saying "When will X step up and fight a guy who's not 38".... Well, reversed round "when will Manny step up and fight a guy whos' not 39 or not 38?!?!?!?!??"

Would be a massacre.

And if Marquez's ring weight didn't matter - then why did he bulk up to face Mayweather? Surely he would have just weighed in at his normal comfortable weight and just rehydrated? Why did he try and bulk up? You can't answer that, can you?

Look at the facts coxy, Marquez weight will be closer to Manny's than the last time they face each other.

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Wed 18 May 2011, 12:28 pm

Let's be under no illusions here: a catchweight of 144lb is designed to specifically suit pacquiao. In his las four fights he has come in at 145,144,145 and 144 respectively, so at this catchweight he is not having to compromise - he will, as usual, hold all the aces on the scales. A 140 fight wouldve meant a compromise for both men, but Team Pac don't do fair.

Having said that, the difference is size isn't big enough to completely rule JMM out, he would be better off coming in at a weight that suits him and taking his chances than trying to bulk up like he did for mayweather. There are a couple if better fights to be made for manny, but IMO opinion this isn't a bad one and is much better than the last 3 joke fights he's had.

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:28 pm

Look at the facts coxy, Marquez weight will be closer to Manny's than the last time they face each othe

How about you answer my question?

Question: Why when Marquez fought X did he openly admit to bulking up for? Even though his weigh-in weight was 142 and his ring weight 145? Why did he bulk up for the weigh in even though his ring weight was the "same" as LW?

Why? You haven't got an answer, as usual. Don't duck now D4.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:31 pm

coxy0001 wrote:
Look at the facts coxy, Marquez weight will be closer to Manny's than the last time they face each othe

How about you answer my question?

Question: Why when Marquez fought X did he openly admit to bulking up for? Even though his weigh-in weight was 142 and his ring weight 145? Why did he bulk up for the weigh in even though his ring weight was the "same" as LW?

Why? You haven't got an answer, as usual. Don't duck now D4.

You don't know what his ring weight was for the Mayweather fight.

Marquez put on too much weight too fast, Marquez said himself if he would be able to move up slowing had 2 more fight at lightweight before Mayweather he would have coped much better.

Mayweather was much bigger on the night against Marquez, Pacquiao won't be.

Marquez's fighting weight now is 145lbs very similar to Pacquiao's.

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 12:34 pm

Any proof of that?

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 18 May 2011, 12:35 pm

And this is exactly why this thread should be merged.

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:36 pm

D4

ANSWER THE QUESTION

And i'm going by what his ring weight has been for his last few fights.

STOP DUCKING THE QUESTION:

Why did Marquez come in "bulked up" for the FMJ fight @ 142 and rehydrated to his usual weight of 145 (or so)??????? YOU CLAIM he's the same size as he is when weighing 145 after weighing 135 on the scales...... SO WHY DID HE TRY AND BULK UP ON PURPOSE DURING TRAINING IF HE WASNT ANY BIGGER WEIGHING 142 AS OPPOSED TO 135?!?!?!!?!??!

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:38 pm

I'm just going to bump the other thread so we can merge, will that suffice admins? Have gone through this once already

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:44 pm

coxy0001 wrote:D4

ANSWER THE QUESTION

And i'm going by what his ring weight has been for his last few fights.

STOP DUCKING THE QUESTION:

Why did Marquez come in "bulked up" for the FMJ fight @ 142 and rehydrated to his usual weight of 145 (or so)??????? YOU CLAIM he's the same size as he is when weighing 145 after weighing 135 on the scales...... SO WHY DID HE TRY AND BULK UP ON PURPOSE DURING TRAINING IF HE WASNT ANY BIGGER WEIGHING 142 AS OPPOSED TO 135?!?!?!!?!??!

Marquez's ring weight has changed over the years, it has gone up 4lbs since the last Pacquiao fight. He looked very bulky in the Mayweather fight I would say in was over 145lbs maybe 147lbs.

Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

by D4thincarnation Wed 18 May 2011, 12:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmc7K_TOKls

Look how much bigger Floyd is and how flabby Marquez is.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 18 May 2011, 12:45 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Well, we don't really know that, do we ?

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:47 pm

Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Stop talking nonsense

He has only ever weighed 135lbs bang on once, he weighed 133.5lbs for the 2nd Diaz fight RIGHT AFTER FMJ.

Got proof that him putting on weight was fluids? Because you haven't. You're MAKING STUFF UP in order to pathetically back your point up.

AND YOURE STILL DUCKING THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Marquez come in "bulked up" for the FMJ fight @ 142 and rehydrated to his usual weight of 145 (or so)??????? YOU CLAIM he's the same size as he is when weighing 145 after weighing 135 on the scales...... SO WHY DID HE TRY AND BULK UP ON PURPOSE DURING TRAINING IF HE WASNT ANY BIGGER WEIGHING 142 AS OPPOSED TO 135?!?!?!!?!??!

ANSWER THE SODDING QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Imperial Ghosty Wed 18 May 2011, 12:48 pm

Like I said d4, have any proof to back up your claims?

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Wed 18 May 2011, 12:49 pm

D4thincarnation: Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.
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Well he hasn't though has he? Because he went straight back to LW after the floyd fight. He hasn't bulked up again since then so how can he have got used to it?

by coxy0001 Wed 18 May 2011, 12:50 pm

Admins

Sorry, but it's time to merge this thread.

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