Speed Plus The Ability To Adapt Plus Athleticism Plus A Chin= Unbeatable

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Joe Calzaghe got me thinking.

If a fighter has:-

A: The ability to adapt to any style, for example Mayweather.
B: A great chin, for example Mayweather.
C: A great athletic frame that allows them to WORK for 12 rounds, for example Mayweather.
D: Speed, for example Mayweather.

Then aren't they unbeatable?

Isn't this the best combo a boxer can have?

Top five active in this way:

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Rigo (chin bit debatable at that weight)
4. JMM
5. Potentially Broner?

I'm talking the extreme elite, guys.

superflyweight wrote:

We are talking about a guy from the philippines who when he is back there has carte blanche to do what he wants.........Philippines is a corrupt Country full of people with little in the way of moral fibre........who are p**s poor and in my opinion would do anything to gain an edge...

Did the teenage bride they sent to you not look like her photograph?  

Wishful thinking..

Yeah... so is everyone who gets caught...

Your big three sports are hardly models of drug testing. There is no logical reason as to why boxing should be any better. No clue why youre trying to sell the idea that Americans are clean/leaders in testing... If only Ben Johnson had been born the other side of the border... We would have understood that he just wanted some cough mixture... you know, like Lewis.

DoubleD22 wrote:Totally agree JBW

Everyone seems very quick to say that Pac cant cope with counter punchers and that they give him fits,

But if that's the case then you could say Marquez cant cope with Pacquiao's speed seeing that he was knocked down 5 times by him.

In my view its down to Pacquiao not looking amazing against him that people say he was rubbish. This isn't the case at all he has been in 4 very competitive fights and both men fought competitively giving as much as the took in those fights.

3 of those were in the same fight in the 1st round.

He got 2 flash knockdowns in the other two (II and IV), not exactly as impressive as it sounds.

I never said we didn't have our problems so why don't you calm down.........

I'll send my young bride over..

No you didn't... But you keep suggesting Pacquiao
is on PED's and suggesting it's because he lives in a country with no moral fibre which will do anything to get an advantage. And then referred to Filipino's as a bunch of animals (it's statements like that which killed the athletics forum). Now after all the slanderous hate you spewed you ask me to calm down?

What are you talking about ??????????

We have hundreds of thousands of athletes and some have failed tests........At least we are in a better position to find them..

What's in it for the filipino government to out their golden boy........and how the hell is Manny going to be tested in the backwaters of slime-ville......They are poor..people will do anything for a dollar down there..

Look at filipino history..........

The irony. An American asking why the Filipino government would want to test Pacquiao, when the American government seals athletes positive tests... Pot...kettle...black

Lance armstrong...Marion Jones...........still sealed..........

American yes......but could be worse..I could be a white land owner in your Country..

Yeah, and I could be getting stopped by policemen on every second road in my uncles BMW 320i in yours.

Or worse, I could be Bradley Manning... you know, because Americans really love standing for truth & such

kingraf wrote:Yeah, and I could be getting stopped by policemen  on every second road in my uncles BMW 320i in yours.

and probably with good reason...........

Filipinos are a poor Country full of ruthless sorts with nothing to lose...........That's a fact now abuse America all you like............

Facts are facts kiddo..

Yeah the good reason being I'm a black kid... In a nice car listening to "the wrong music".

Americans are the same just replace poor with greedy....

Think we are getting a little away from the topic here. Any chance of it finding its way back?

I'm not arguing wheather Paquaio is clean or not. I've got views on that topic but I'm not going to post them here.
The fact remains that Mayweather, as Jeff has pointed out already, had never has made a big deal with the whole drug testing protocol until the Manny debacle.
What caused this sudden awakening?
I may be wrong with this but I don't think any of Floyd's opponents prior to the Manny chapter were requested by to do Olympic style testing.

Purely because Pacquiao had stepped up from 112lbs to 147lbs and had pretty much blew everyone away better at a higher weight. Rumours circulated that he may have been on something and rightly so because i suspected it a little. Cue mayweathers requests for drug testing. Lets cut the Poopie here. Of pacquiao had absolutely nothing to hide then he would have taken the test. Its literally that simple.

Absolutely............

It isn’t that simple though. I would personally like to see every fighter take the most stringent tests possible. However the fact remains the various governing bodies do not require such. Given this Manny has no requirement or need to do anything beyond what they specify. There are egos involved in these affairs and eminently possible Manny or Arum wanted to prove a point they would not be bullied by Floyd on this requirement or the negotiations for the fight, unfortunate it is the drug issue they made the stance on but they could have made a similar stance over the ring size, type of gloves, who entered the ring first or any of the other issues commonly squabbled over when a fight of this magnitude gets made.

But Rowley, irrespective of egos, this is a fight game. Some sanctioning bodies don't require extra testing and added stringent testing bodies, but the point remains simple.....just prove to the world your not on anything. Some of these "local" drug testers have been renown for being ever so slightly corrupt so its only fair, based on his increase in size and power, that his opponent demands "proper" tests. The financial aspect had been sorted, but regardless of the ring walks and gloves sizes etc the bottom line is that Pacquiao blatantly declined the testing for reasons such as needle fear (that being the best one). Just because a sanctioning body does not require you to do such tests, does not mean you shouldn't do it to clear your name of any said speculation and to meet the requirements of not just Mayweather, but pretty much 50% of the boxing public who agreed! Because of his decline or ego, the fight was never made.

He's filipino end of argument.

Haha good way to end it Truss. Done.

Have never argued he should not have took the test. As I have said all fighters should take them it is this idea Floyd asked for them therefore Manny should have complied I have issue with. If a sanctioning body tells him to do it he has to do it, if Floyd asks he can choose to do it or not, he chose not to, whether you chose to interpret that as him juicing is up to you. However it is not categorical evidence he is, as I have said could just as easily be interpreted as him not wanting to hand any psychological advantages to Floyd.

D4 would have loved this argument.........

"If Mayweather grows a pair"..........."Why Rios is the best fighter out there after Manny"....

I know Rowley and im not saying he is juicing in any way shape or form. I mentioned that i was suspicious of it based on his performances and when he declined the tests it made my suspicions enhance alot.

yeh Truss i can imagine D4 mentioning how behind Mayweather,Rios should be P4P top 5 based on his epic performances against Abril etc. If Pacquiao wins then it proves his legacy and he will be back at the top.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's filipino end of argument.

What has that got to do with it?

Everything..

Rowley wrote:It isn’t that simple though. I would personally like to see every fighter take the most stringent tests possible. However the fact remains the various governing bodies do not require such. Given this Manny has no requirement or need to do anything beyond what they specify. There are egos involved in these affairs and eminently possible Manny or Arum wanted to prove a point they would not be bullied by Floyd on this requirement or the negotiations for the fight, unfortunate it is the drug issue they made the stance on but they could have made a similar stance over the ring size, type of gloves, who entered the ring first or any of the other issues commonly squabbled over when a fight of this magnitude gets made.

They couldn't argue about anything else except which fighter walks in first and which promotional banner was called first as mayweather agreed to Mannys gloves and ring size etc! As it is though its a disgrace it never happened, and both after that both happy to not fight or push to hard for it! Still would've picked mayweather UD with a knockdown thrown in but would've been exciting

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Everything..

Explain

can't be bothered..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:can't be bothered..

Moronic as ever. Explain your reasoning for statements rather than spamming the topic.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:D4 would have loved this argument.........

"If Mayweather grows a pair"..........."Why Rios is the best fighter out there after Manny"....

Is d4 that clown on ja606?? Who the other day basically claimed that rios is better than alverez

Pedro147 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:can't be bothered..

Moronic as ever. Explain your reasoning for statements rather than spamming the topic.

Well you can't say fairer than that....

Diamond please elaborate more on this D4 character on ja606!! What is that by the way?

does the D4 legend live on?!

Yes he is on there.......Write a pro-Mayweather article and watch him go...

mobilemaster8 wrote:Diamond please elaborate more on this D4 character on ja606!! What is that by the way?

does the D4 legend live on?!

I left the bbc 606 when it closed down for that but was only really on the football forum occasionally and that site started when it closed! Yes apparently he lives on only read a few things but rios is better opponent than alverez was a sticking point

Hahaha just been on! Absolute quality. First thread i witnessed was "Broner vs Pacquiao" - created by D4.

quotes:

"its clear for everyone to see that Mayweather ducked Pacquiao"

"Mayweather never fought Pacquiao because he knew his health would be at risk"

"Rios is a top P4P fighter"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

D4 (and archbritishchris) both tried to claim that illegal handwraps made boxing safer.  Came about as a result of them desperately trying to legitimize Manny's fight against Margarito.

It gladdens me to know that D4 is still out there somewhere caught in endlessly repeating cycle of Manny love / Floyd bashing.

Stuck in purgatory is old D4. IM going to visit this random site and take it all in.

D4 is one of those users with the passing of time and nostalgia you remember him as a bit of a character. I absolutely guarantee was he to return within a week I would get around 50 PM’s asking me to ban him. Suffice to say I would be only to happy to oblige. As superfly has already said his illegal handwraps will improve safety was the moment he finally jumped the shark.

He managed to irritate windy once too often........Remember telling Windy to say he'll write an aticle on d4's next opponent tomorrow claiming  he's world class and better than anything Mayweather's beat.....

Lo and behold...

I don't miss him...He was a knob..one trick pony..

Just had a look at that other website - it's an utter shambles.

D4 seems to be all by himself failing spectacularly to entice non-boxing fans into arguments about Floyd. I almost feel sorry for him.

His Manny obsession would not have been quite so intolerable had he not felt a need to carry it over to every thread. You could write an article about Jem Mace and his impact on the bareknuckle era which took an age to write and research only for D4 to appear and say how Manny could eat more marshmallows than Floyd which clearly proved that Floyd was ducking him. Like you Truss someone I don’t miss. As annoying and charmless as Ceej was at his worst.

Also just looked in superfly, tragic really like you say just D4 repeating the same crap he has been doing for the last five years to an ever diminishing audience. However to put my professional admin hat on should be glad as there is nothing less likely to cause any of our lot to defect than the presence of D4 over there.

I came along towards the end of Ceej's time on the old 606. He was a dick, but he was a more rounded dick than D4 as he could be a dick in relation to a number of topics.

The big problem with him was he never bothered rebutting just piled ahead with his guff.....On one thread I think Windy or you asked him to explain something and it was all "Needs to grow a pair" or he'd dig up some stupid article he'd dig up..

We have our arguments on here but at least we generally acknowledge the other guy's opinions..

What did you say again Rowley ??

mobilemaster8 wrote:Hahaha just been on! Absolute quality. First thread i witnessed was "Broner vs Pacquiao" - created by D4.

quotes:

"its clear for everyone to see that Mayweather ducked Pacquiao"

"Mayweather never fought Pacquiao because he knew his health would be at risk"

"Rios is a top P4P fighter"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He contradicts himself all the time he put Guerrero in his p4p top 10 and once mayweather said he was fighting in may! He said he would duck Guerrero an fight a bum like rios hahahahah
Couple months later rios is brilliant

Have just read through some of his stuff on there. On one he is writing about why Floyd will beat Alvarez and he says he will be weight drained at 152. He used to rupture a spleen if anyone said that about Cotto. A tool of the highest order.

His ability for contridiction was famous diamond. When Floyd signed to fight Mosley Shane was old and washed up. When Manny signed to fight him a year later he became a dangerous opponent.

Funny thing was I don't think he was wumming.....

Just in love with Manny..

Would agree Truss. Is sad really that a grown man can devote himself and his time so fully to such a thing. Just imagine if so much energy and effort had been put into something useful, suspect he could have cured cancer or sorted the middle east in the same amount of time.

Wow quality. Its actually amazing to see.

on a separate note, that website looks a complete shambles in comparison.

he is on one thread literally commenting to himself!! Ha!