Performances that get to much credit

mobilemaster8 wrote:Pacquiao vs De La Hoya!!!! Was the worst ever. Got loads of credit for that fight and probably still does. Was a joke fight.

marg vs cotto was bad for obvious reasons.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:Pacquiao vs De La Hoya!!!! Was the worst ever. Got loads of credit for that fight and probably still does. Was a joke fight.

marg vs cotto was bad for obvious reasons.

To be fair to Manny, he was a MASSIVE underdog having never fought above Lightweight, most people thought ODLH was going to crush him pre-fight.

ShahenshahG wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:i too have kessler as calzaghes best win, hopkins i still have as a good win though even though i gave it to hopkins by one round at the time (i was drunk, it was late and no there's not a chance your getting me to watch that fight again!!)

my main gripe with hopkins fight is it could have happened earlier, while hopkins showed he's still got it there cant be many who think hopkins was anywhere near his prime when they fought

2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Atila wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:i too have kessler as calzaghes best win, hopkins i still have as a good win though even though i gave it to hopkins by one round at the time (i was drunk, it was late and no there's not a chance your getting me to watch that fight again!!)

my main gripe with hopkins fight is it could have happened earlier, while hopkins showed he's still got it there cant be many who think hopkins was anywhere near his prime when they fought

2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

But Hopkins did fight Calzaghe, so Jay Larkin was wrong.

compelling and rich wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:Pacquiao vs De La Hoya!!!! Was the worst ever. Got loads of credit for that fight and probably still does. Was a joke fight.

marg vs cotto was bad for obvious reasons.

To be fair to Manny, he was a MASSIVE underdog having never fought above Lightweight, most people thought ODLH was going to crush him pre-fight.

i agree alex, i had this as one of the fights that doesn't get enough recognition. barely anyone on old 606 was backing manny, me being one of the few who was. and its hardly like ODLH doesn't have any say in his fights. he was quite happy with the terms or else the fight wouldn't have happened, mayweather getting praised a lot for beating ODLH but manny's win was overrated, hmmm bit of bias sneaking through there me thinks

AlexHuckerby wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:Pacquiao vs De La Hoya!!!! Was the worst ever. Got loads of credit for that fight and probably still does. Was a joke fight.

marg vs cotto was bad for obvious reasons.

To be fair to Manny, he was a MASSIVE underdog having never fought above Lightweight, most people thought ODLH was going to crush him pre-fight.

i agree alex, i had this as one of the fights that doesn't get enough recognition. barely anyone on old 606 was backing manny, me being one of the few who was. and its hardly like ODLH doesn't have any say in his fights. he was quite happy with the terms or else the fight wouldn't have happened, mayweather getting praised a lot for beating ODLH but manny's win was overrated, hmmm bit of bias sneaking through there me thinks

Well, to be fair the reason that Mayweather gets more credit is that ODLH was genuinely weight drained at 147lbs whereas Floyd went all the up to 154 to meet him on his own terms. Mind you, Manny was a SFW like not too long before fighting De la Hoya at 147!!

AlexHuckerby wrote:Roy Jones was completely done at the time.
Hopkins was past his best and in my view still beat him.
Lacy was pretty average it turned out.
Manfredo Jr was just an absolute legend.
Veit was pants.
Pudwill?
Eubank was well past it.
Can't think of more names off the top of my head. Very ordinary fighters forgettable fighters to be honest.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Agreed. Mayweather fought him at 154lbs then a couple years later or whatever it was, Pacquiao jumped two divisions to fight someone who had not fought at that weight for nearly a decade and had just come off the back of a shabby scraped victory against Steve Forbes. Yes it was a good victory because of the manner in which he did it, but with Oscar literally having to insert a drip to rehydrate, the victory, for me, was given way too much credit. On the old 606 i gave Pacquiao the nod all be it on points, no way was he EVER going to lose that fight. Its like Martinez moving up to fight from MW to take on Marco Huck at Light Heavy.