Haye v Fury - Call it.

Probably one of the biggest fights of the year, certainly in terms of profile.

There's obviously going to be a couple of months of discussion on the boards but I think it would be entertaining for everyone to call it now so that when we have the post fight breakdown there can be plenty of 'I told you so's' etc.

Not a discussion thread, enough already.

Haye KO 7

Haye KO 4... Easy night for him.

Haye K.O. 3

1 round to get the range
1 round to rattle TF
1 round to K.O

Haye KO round 5

Tyson down in 4th also

Yes, Haye in 5 seems about right to me

Fury in 8 (heart ruling head)

I'll call it round by round and offer expert analysis in this post: a blow by blow account of what will happen in round 1 through to 12.

Fury starts cagey, he doesn't particularly want Haye to find him too early. Haye walks across the ring and jabs, jabs, nothing yet - Fury looks amused, he expected to get hit almost straight away. Haye darts in and hits Fury to the body hard, Fury shakes it off, paws out his own jab, which is countered by a jab of Hayes and a pounding right to the body again, Haye trying to force Fury to lower his already high guard. Fury unloads a few punches by moving Haye against the ropes, the crowd roars in anticipation, but nothing is hitting Haye. Referee breaks them up, Haye darts in again with a left jab, another left, right over the top.

FURY IS DOWN IN ROUND 1

Gets to his feet, looks shaken that the first real shot to his head has put him down, Haye smells blood - Fury tries to cover, its no good, the shots are raining down on him now and he goes down again.

10 count, its all over. Fury leaves the ring 5 million quid up, and Haye has once again demolished a poor heavyweight early.

Head on the block there Jab. Could end up as legendary as Truss's 'Hatton is too big for Pacquiao'.

I'm confident that Haye will destroy Fury, unless Fury comes and does something we've never seen before.

Oh, and I think Winchester is Fury.

I watched the whole press conference, and the Ringside programme - the things he says are almost word for word what Winchester says.

Fury ko 9

Would love Fury to pull if off but being realistic, Haye by mid-TKO.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'll call it round by round and offer expert analysis in this post: a blow by blow account of what will happen in round 1 through to 12.

Fury starts cagey, he doesn't particularly want Haye to find him too early. Haye walks across the ring and jabs, jabs, nothing yet - Fury looks amused, he expected to get hit almost straight away. Haye darts in and hits Fury to the body hard, Fury shakes it off, paws out his own jab, which is countered by a jab of Hayes and a pounding right to the body again, Haye trying to force Fury to lower his already high guard. Fury unloads a few punches by moving Haye against the ropes, the crowd roars in anticipation, but nothing is hitting Haye. Referee breaks them up, Haye darts in again with a left jab, another left, right over the top.

FURY IS DOWN IN ROUND 1

Gets to his feet, looks shaken that the first real shot to his head has put him down, Haye smells blood - Fury tries to cover, its no good, the shots are raining down on him now and he goes down again.

10 count, its all over. Fury leaves the ring 5 million quid up, and Haye has once again demolished a poor heavyweight early.

Doubtful considering Haye got no where near Valuev who is only marginally taller than Fury, and alot less mobile. I thought for a second you might have been reminiscing about one of your sparing sessions with Kell, but just switched out the names..

Maddy2k12 wrote:Doubtful considering Haye got no where near Valuev who is only marginally taller than Fury, and alot less mobile. I thought for a second you might have been reminiscing about one of your sparing sessions with Kell, but just switched out the names..

Mate, you should do standup. I was laughing so hard I think I may have gone weewee.

Is that all you had to add?

Marginally taller? Valuev weighed 350lbs + and was 7ft. Fury is what, 6'9? In terms of height thats absolutely massive. Imagine if there were a boxer who fought at Welterweight who was always at least 3 inches taller than his opponents and used height to his advantage - we could call him Tommy Hearns and we'd all think of him as an ATG - oh...wait....

Basically, I've never seen Fury use his height.

Now if you're done trying to be funny little boy, run along.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm confident that Haye will destroy Fury, unless Fury comes and does something we've never seen before.

Oh, and I think Winchester is Fury.

I watched the whole press conference, and the Ringside programme - the things he says are almost word for word what Winchester says.

Or he is Fury's parrot. That would explain why he can't change his tune, when even Fury comes across well on one to one interviews

David Haye...is getting knocked out...by Tyson Fury

I hope

Haye TKO by the 7th.

I think Fury has to up his game hugely to have a chance.

I think Fury will be very negative as he'll will fear Haye's power but will get caught eventually. i'm sure Fury will try and lean on haye to wear him out.

Fury has got the power to knock Haye out. Unfortunately he also has a chin that can get sparked at anytime. If the fight goes beyond the halfway point then I can see him wearing Haye down and then throwing a few bombs. Haye will try to take him down early I think. This wont be as one sided as Audley or Chisora even if Haye does win

I'd expect Fury to make a mistake that Haye can capitalise on as early as the first round. Haye ko 1,Fury may make it to the 2nd.

Hope Fury does show something else and wins this but I think he's a few years off being able to compete at this level if he ever can. Saying that though he has shown improvements every fight since the second McDermott fight so he may do better than expected.
I haven't got a clue to be honest so I'll stick with Haye early.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:

Maddy2k12 wrote:Doubtful considering Haye got no where near Valuev who is only marginally taller than Fury, and alot less mobile. I thought for a second you might have been reminiscing about one of your sparing sessions with Kell, but just switched out the names..

Mate, you should do standup. I was laughing so hard I think I may have gone weewee.

Is that all you had to add?

Marginally taller? Valuev weighed 350lbs + and was 7ft. Fury is what, 6'9? In terms of height thats absolutely massive. Imagine if there were a boxer who fought at Welterweight who was always at least 3 inches taller than his opponents and used height to his advantage - we could call him Tommy Hearns and we'd all think of him as an ATG - oh...wait....

Basically, I've never seen Fury use his height.

Now if you're done trying to be funny little boy, run along.

To be fair your analogy ignores the fact that the welterweight you are talking about already has a 7 inch height advantage over his opponent.
Plus Valuev has an 84 inch reach, Fury's is actually 85 inches. Fury can jab and when he does he always stands tall behind it, would imagine that will be part of the plan on the night. Whether it will work or not who knows but he is way more mobile than Valuev.

I'm not certain Fury does have the power to knock Haye out, not without holding his head in place with his other hand... Wlad landed a few cleanly enough to show Haye can take a decent shot, I can't see Fury landing cleanly enough and often enough to put Haye out.
I see Haye taking his time to an extent, slipping punches and circling, maybe even dropping a round or two early on the cards before upping the pace around 4-5, KO by 8 at the latest. Unless Fury shows us something he hasn't so far I can't see him winning this fight.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm confident that Haye will destroy Fury, unless Fury comes and does something we've never seen before.

Oh, and I think Winchester is Fury.

I watched the whole press conference, and the Ringside programme - the things he says are almost word for word what Winchester says.

There's something up about him, All of his posts have basically been that Fury is the best HW in the world and the klitschkos are duking him.

Diggers wrote:To be fair your analogy ignores the fact that the welterweight you are talking about already has a 7 inch height advantage over his opponent.
Plus Valuev has an 84 inch reach, Fury's is actually 85 inches. Fury can jab and when he does he always stands tall behind it, would imagine that will be part of the plan on the night. Whether it will work or not who knows but he is way more mobile than Valuev.

I was just making it relative.

Paul Williams can be cited as another who enjoyed a (less significant) height advantage.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm confident that Haye will destroy Fury, unless Fury comes and does something we've never seen before.

Oh, and I think Winchester is Fury.

I watched the whole press conference, and the Ringside programme - the things he says are almost word for word what Winchester says.

There's something up about him, All of his posts have basically been that Fury is the best HW in the world and the klitschkos are duking him.

Big flaw in the theory, he was also talking up Price and Wilder. When did you last hear Tyson Fury say anything good about Price ?

Diggers wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm confident that Haye will destroy Fury, unless Fury comes and does something we've never seen before.

Oh, and I think Winchester is Fury.

I watched the whole press conference, and the Ringside programme - the things he says are almost word for word what Winchester says.

There's something up about him, All of his posts have basically been that Fury is the best HW in the world and the klitschkos are duking him.

Big flaw in the theory, he was also talking up Price and Wilder. When did you last hear Tyson Fury say anything good about Price ?

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Haye in 1st or 2nd round, I think. Depends on how Fury fights. If he shows David no respect (as he did against Cunningham, prior to being unceremoniously, and deservedly, dumped on his 4r5e) then it'll end early. Haye wouldn’t let him off. Tyson says he ‘loves a tear up’, so 'wading in' wouldn’t surprise me as a tactic from the man with a face like an Easter Island tourist board pamphlet. Have a feeling he won’t love one so much after this.

If Fury boxes cautiously, it may take Haye a few rounds more; 5th, 6th maybe.

Of course, Haye is always there to be knocked out himself… but I don’t fancy Fury as the man for the job.

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Valuev actually had a decent jab and used it fairly effectively. Fury is completely different type of fighter... more mobile but also more aggressive. They're both very tall... that's all they have in common as far as I can see.

Haye KO in 3. He won't be able to miss Fury for more than 3 rounds.

Steffan wrote:Fury has got the power to knock Haye out. Unfortunately he also has a chin that can get sparked at anytime. If the fight goes beyond the halfway point then I can see him wearing Haye down and then throwing a few bombs. Haye will try to take him down early I think. This wont be as one sided as Audley or Chisora even if Haye does win

I may be missing something Steffan, but i haven't seen any evidence of Tyson having much power- obviously any man of his size will have a certain amount of latent strength /power, but he doesn't seem particularly strong or powerful for his size, he certainly doesn't seem as powerful as Wlad, and he caught Haye more than i expect Fury to. Haye is puncher in this fight as saw I can tell, and i don't think he's going to struggle to land. Fury's chin is probably better than many are crediting- yes Cunningham decked him, but he never looked seriously hurt. I would dearly love Haye to embarass him and ko him in one, but I think Fury will take a battering for 6-7rounds, go out on his feet earn plaudits for his heart.

Haye by KO 2 rounds

Haye KO no later than 4, might size him up for a round or 2 before chopping him down.

Haye KO round 3.

That said I predicted an early KO for Haye vs Wlad. I thought he'd be able to land and Wlad would crumble. Wlad is oh so slightly better than Fury.

i have a feeling the build up with be better than the fight, we'll get a KO but it'll be a chess match on haye's part.

I don't see Haye winning too early, he's just too cautious and will feel Fury out.

I expect Haye to dust off the ring rust and get into his rhythm in the mid rounds during which Fury could fall at any time.

Obviously I want Haye to lose as I do in all his fights.

I think its farily safe to assume Haye will fight his usual style and the notion of him as taking it to his opponents has died.

I think its interesting to see how Fury will aproach it. Will he fight long? Or will he fight close? I think as with the Cunningham fight he should be preparing for both.

Haye tends to look most dangerous when his opponent is just coming straight at him without much regard for defence. This is what Fury has been suggesting he will do. Look to to just bully Haye and outbrawl him. As Haye showed against Chisora or Ruiz, he can catch you on the way in with big shots. I think its interesting that against Chisora, who forced him to work at a higher pace on the inside, Haye did seem to tire though. So if a huge guy like Fury can basically do what he did to Cunningham and just plough forward and roughhouse him then it could prove difficult for Haye if he can find the shot to take Fury out. So he could look to use his size to wear Haye down. Its high risk, because he could be taken out but it might prove to be a worthwhile plan B. I also wonder if te magnitude of the fight, the hye, the build up etc will make Fury put too much pressure on himself to be seen as an entertainer and a fighting man and thus mean he abandons trying to box in a controlled fashion in favour of just trying to manhandle Haye.

The boxing long option I think would be better to at least start off with. Hay hasnt looked good when faced with a jab and while Fury might not neccessarily cause much damage he could find fighting a controlled long game using his size and jab coming forward might actually nick rounds against Haye who will be looking for big single shots. I would prefer to see Fury start with this and see where it gets him. If it doesnt work and everything else fails then he can just try to turn it into a brawl.

Ultimately I just dont think he is defensively good enough and Im not sure he has the mental discipline to stick to a plan. However it would be interesting to see how he approaches it and what happens in the event he gets up from a Haye shot or puts pressure on him. I think theres hope for Fury because Valuev wasnt a million miles from beating Haye just using his bulk, jab and forward momentum. However its hard to look past that Fury has been on the floor and struggled with a lesser, lighter punching pumped up cruiserweight in Cunningham. Im curious to see will he look at Hayes inactivity and stamina and try to wear him down with size from the off, or whether he will look to actually use his jab and box at range.

Haye in 2 rounds, Fury is wide open and Haye will land hard and fast.

It took Haye 3 rounds to get rid of Fraudley & he didn't even look like he was coming to fight. So what makes anyone believe that Haye will stop Fury earlier than that?

For comedy value alone, I want Fury to win. Maybe then Haye will retire and mean it.

Eyetoldyouso wrote:It took Haye 3 rounds to get rid of Fraudley & he didn't even look like he was coming to fight. So what makes anyone believe that Haye will stop Fury earlier than that?

Audley not looking like "he was coming to fight" is precisely the point. Haye likes to counter-punch; pick people off as they come in and Fury, unlike Audley, is not backwards about coming forwards. Audley was too scared to get into range, don't think Fury will be. He should be, but I don't think he will be.

Haye on points (SD)

Haye starts cautious but lands enough hard shots to keep Fury wary.

Starts to open up the mid rounds winning by ko in the 8th.

Haye by early KO in all probability, but if it goes past 6 I think Fury has a small chance of getting a decision.

Haye 2nd round KO.

OasisBFC wrote:Haye KO round 3.

That said I predicted an early KO for Haye vs Wlad. I thought he'd be able to land and Wlad would crumble. Wlad is oh so slightly better than Fury.

i have a feeling the build up with be better than the fight, we'll get a KO but it'll be a chess match on haye's part.

In the same way as the sun is quite warm on its surface

Eyetoldyouso wrote:It took Haye 3 rounds to get rid of Fraudley & he didn't even look like he was coming to fight. So what makes anyone believe that Haye will stop Fury earlier than that?

For comedy value alone, I want Fury to win. Maybe then Haye will retire and mean it.

Because the Chinese whisper was Haye told his friends to bet on a ko round 3 which Haye had to deny or he would have been in bother.

Manos,

Good analysis...but i'd use your point regards Valuec as an argument as to why Haye wins this fight. Whilst Valuev wasn't a million miles from beating Haye, he didn't...reason being he didn't force the action enough. When he opened up for even a second (in the 12th) he was almost put down...staggering considering the size of him.

I don't think Fury is any better in terms of defence than someone of Valuev's standing. He is open when he unloads, he can be caught when backing up and added with his chin issues that's a big problem.

I actually think this fight is going to be a huge case of deja vu because I think it goes the same way as the Enzo v Haye match up. Reminicisint of that this is a big british fight against the two guys regarded the best of their division in this country. Haye has had the big fights...Enzo had not/Fury does not...

Haye to win within 5 Rounds.

Nico the gman wrote:

Eyetoldyouso wrote:It took Haye 3 rounds to get rid of Fraudley & he didn't even look like he was coming to fight. So what makes anyone believe that Haye will stop Fury earlier than that?

For comedy value alone, I want Fury to win. Maybe then Haye will retire and mean it.

Because the Chinese whisper was Haye told his friends to bet on a ko round 3 which Haye had to deny or he would have been in bother.

Why was the whisper Chinese? Did the story start out as an expose on Haye's wife having enough of Adam sleeping with David and eventually end up being about a gambling scandal?

going against the tide and say fury, just think haye's HW acheivements are given a little to much credit, whilst the opposite is true for tyson.

Anyone think Fury boxing southpaw from the start for a few rounds might be an interesting tactic to dismay Haye?

Styles make fights, Fury late stoppage he tracks down Haye and stops him, as for Valuev Haye scraped a majority decision and barring rocking Valuev what else did Haye show in that fight 'against the BIGGER guy'? now lets look at Wlad who is also bigger, Haye stood in shell stance for entire 12 rounds.

If Fury fights like he did in the Cunningham fight Haye has too much power and will hurt Tyson too much and it will end in the 4th or 5th round... I have a feeling the size of the event and the experience Haye has may be a factor and Fury might box with his heart too much... So for me I give Haye the win.

But

People talk about Cunningham not having as much power as Haye, but he has a longer reach and is just as fast... and a very slippery customer. He gave Adamek two very close fights, including one at heavyweight.

If Fury boxes smart and comes in to the fight in great shape, he may do what I hopped Audley would have done if he was not so awful, and implemented his size as the fight goes on.

Its going to depend on how tough Fury is. If he is tough enough to survive the first 5 rounds or so, then he may be able to pull Haye into a tough place.