The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

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England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

I can see your point KP but you get bad decisions in cricket and you get good luck. If you walk 10 times a season for edges behind you can guarantee you'll get more bad decisions. Things like that don't even themselves out.

mystiroakey wrote:I think Broad should have walked.. But well he hasnt... so

Never walk against Australia , roakey  

Aleem Dar joining forces with Asad Rauf?

Dreadful umpiring

Broad for a 98

I don't walk. I respect people who do, but it's the umpires job to make a decision so I let him do that. As long as you don't complain when you are given out when you haven't hit it then I have no problem with not walking.

It's decisions like that that add creedence to letting the thrid umpire be in charge of the DRS. Because that is what is what brought into changem howlers like that.

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Broad should have walked...unbelievable lack of cricketing spirit here

I've never believed in walking. Let the umpire do his job. If he makes a howler, use one of your reviews. Don't waste your reviews either.

marginal cases OK
thick edge to first slip......pretending he didn't know he was out..is just unbelievable

they were happy to ask for Trott to go when he hit a ball. It evens out.

Never walk in professional cricket full stop. The bowlers ain't gonna invite you back in to bat again if you get a stinker the other way so don't be giving yourself out.

It wasn't an edge to first slip either KP, came off the keepers gloves.

Only went to first slip because of Haddens glove.

hampo171 wrote:I can see your point KP but you get bad decisions in cricket and you get good luck. If you walk 10 times a season for edges behind you can guarantee you'll get more bad decisions. Things like that don't even themselves out.

there is diffrence between marginal lbws/ bat pads/ feather nicks...........where you can pretend that you didnpt know
thick edge ot first slip.....unbelivable betrayal of spirit of cricket

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Broad should have walked...unbelievable lack of cricketing spirit here

I've never believed in walking. Let the umpire do his job. If he makes a howler, use one of your reviews. Don't waste your reviews either.

marginal cases OK
thick edge to first slip......pretending he didn't know he was out..is just unbelievable

DRS is there for howlers, such as that one. Clarke wasted his on two, well techinically three, speculative appeals. Not what DRS is meant for. England and Australia are now even for Steve Waugh not walking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poVMqALM7Rg

He didn't edge it to first slip KPF. He edged it to Haddin who palmed it to first slip.

It was NOT an edge to first slip.

I suppose KP_fan doesn't like Broad at the best of times.  

I do agree with KP tbh. i would have walked, minor knick never- because it may not have even happened. but that was to blatent.

However I am also happy he didnt walk. because no one would walk against us and that is the sad truth of pro sport these days

Every team appeal for LBW and then don't review meaning they clearly didn't think it was out in the first place. Are they cheating by appealing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHw3fdhFo4

I suppose this Indian chap should have walked as well, right kp_fan?

He should have walked, no doubt about it.

My opinion of Nasser increases yet further. Honesty to go with wit and intelligence now. I just wish Warne was on...........

I think it was the Ozzies under Chappel who first started the trend to not walk.

Amazed the umpire missed that. Presume Broad didn't really expect to get away with it ...but hardly going to 'fess up after he is given not out.

Aussies probably won't clap his fifty  

Can't feel too sorry for them though : I have been living and playing here for years , and none of the b......s ever walk off my bowling...

Lead up to 242 right now. Cook and KP remained unbeaten through the evening yesterday, can Bell and Broad (*cough*) do the same?

Hibbz- How would you feel if a golfer got away with moving a ball , not penalising himself, signing the card and still winning an event?

That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.

GSC wrote:That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.

 Make your mind up..(I cant either tbh)

mystiroakey wrote:

GSC wrote:That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.

 Make your mind up..(I cant either tbh)

Oh I'm fully in the camp of he should've walked. Just hes hardly breaking rules to do so.

I remember Clarke punching it up in the air in Adelaide last time off KP and not walking. Difference was England hadn't wasted their reviews.

"People have 'not walked' since the game began."

I think they have mate!

but yes offcourse no one should or will get banned for it- It is the normal thing to do (not to be confused with right thing to do)

I want to hear Athers view on this.
'When in Rome, dear boy.'

2 wrongs don't make a right, but England have been on the end of some 'harsh' umpiring decisions (with the aid of technology) recently.

mystiroakey wrote:Hibbz- How would you feel if a golfer got away with moving a ball , not penalising himself, signing the card and still winning an event?

If they were all at it and the consensus was you do what you can get away with as in cricket and it was a professional event I'd have no issue. The fact that few if any cheat makes it a level playing field in golf and nobody is at a disadvantage by being honest.

You ever avoid paying any business taxes Mysti?

mystiroakey wrote:"People have 'not walked' since the game began."

I think they have mate!

That's what I'm saying.
Nicking it and not walking is nothing new.

Oh and something's just struck me. In the last Ashes series, I think it was Adelaide, Clarke edged the ball, just as much as Broad did, it was a huge inside edge, onto his thigh and it ricocheted to short leg where a catch was taken. He didn't walk, and the umpire somehow missed it. The difference? England didn't waste their review, and utilised it successfully. No fuss with that one.

I pay to much much corp tax mate- I just skimp on NI like most small business owners do..

To be honest I probally pay more than Starbucks do

The rate has slowed right down..

but we are not budging

mystiroakey wrote:I pay to much much corp tax mate- I just skimp on NI like most small business owners do..

To be honest I probally pay more than Starbucks do

Precisely, you do it because everybody else does, you can get away with it and to not would put you at a disadvantage in your profession.

In the same vein, without a generous 3rd umpire call, Australias deficit would be closer to 350 right now.

England settling for the close

Come on bell get your Ton!!

You know the pitch is dead when mental midget Bell is approaching a 100...

It's not like him to normally show any bottle.

Something tells me 'The Broad Appeal' won't be receiving many donations Down Under

Anyway, this series was a bit too nice for an Ashes test anyway. Now Siddle needs to lamp someone

I must say its nice Broad seems to have rediscovered how to bat

Try to keep this one friendly guys.

Lead past 250, England rocking. Fabulous partnership between these 2 to take the game (hopefully) beyond the Aussies.

Aye.

Will Agars 98 keep him in the side? Hasn't really looked the part when bowling.

Very good lead this one from the position we were in. I do feel its been a bit marred by the broad incident. But I will get over it

Nothing in the pitch

Clarke will smash 150* insult removed-BB

Lead past 250. You'd figure with Swann out the rough, and Anderson and Finn having had a rest they've got a pretty competitive score. Anything over 300 will be very tough for Australia, so they'll need to blow the last 4 away sharpish tomorrow.