The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

by **Pal Joey** Fri 12 Jul - 13:02

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 14:53

Ahh right. One to many beers watching today's play in the sun for me.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 13 Jul - 14:54

Any idea why there is such a thing as umpires call? if it hits its out and if it misses its not - clipping or smashing into it shouldn't really come into it

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 14:55

Hawk-eye isn't 100% accurate so they call their degree of error umpires call.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 14:56

So now two lefties in ...might help Swann settle a bit. He seemed to be getting a bit frustrated before.
Cook must keep the field tight here , build the pressure.

by kingraf Sat 13 Jul - 14:57

Going to the gym now, expect to comeback, with Australia having the biggest collapse, since... This morning, and before that, day 2, and before that day 1...

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 14:57

ShahenshahG wrote:Any idea why there is such a thing as umpires call? if it hits its out and if it misses its not - clipping or smashing into it shouldn't really come into it

because hawkeye is a predictive technolgy. its seen as a guide only.

however it is very good at predicting and better imo(and proven by stats) than the naked eye. Therefore I agree with you, however on marginal call like that one(clipping by a small part of the ball) they probally should go to the batsmen anyway- due to hawkeyes margin of error

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 14:57

Another review

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 14:57

Another review ! Is that a nick ? No , off the pad . He is safe

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 14:58

Not out.

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul - 14:58

hampo171 wrote:Hawk-eye isn't 100% accurate so they call their degree of error umpires call.

I've been wondering about that too. Makes sense from what you say.

Hello...is Rogers lbw? Umpire gives him out without hesitation but he reviews immediately.

Looks like he's safe...close one though.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 14:59

anotehr bads call by the umpire......really bad call

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 14:59

lucky escape there as he builds his teams triumph.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 15:00

KP_fan wrote:anotehr bads call by the umpire......really bad call

it's why you don't waste reviews. if you waste em then you can't cry about it.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:01

hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:close call but per the rules of DRS Watson's gotta go.
poor decision by Aleem Dar.....again.

Gates opened for England

Why was that a poor decision?

too much angled down the leg side for umpire to feel convinced that that was out.

when an umpire gives an LBW so quickly..the ball better be hitting a full stump and not 2% of the ball kissing the stump

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:02

Well no trebbs- this has been one of the worst umpiring games of all time.. so i think its well worth pointing out

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 15:02

KP_fan wrote:anotehr bads call by the umpire......really bad call

And saved...by the correct use of the drs.

All good.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:03

cowan is taking a battering here.. we need him on strike

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:04

KP_fan wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:close call but per the rules of DRS Watson's gotta go.
poor decision by Aleem Dar.....again.

Gates opened for England

Why was that a poor decision?

too much angled down the leg side for umpire to feel convinced that that was out.

when an umpire gives an LBW so quickly..the ball better be hitting a full stump and not 2% of the ball kissing the stump

To the naked eye it looked plum, I'd have no problem giving any of team mates out to a ball like that one.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:04

alfie wrote:
KP_fan wrote:anotehr bads call by the umpire......really bad call

And saved...by the correct use of the drs.

All good.

what if there was a technology glitch and DRS inconclusive.......the BAD decisions would have stayed.

just can't overlook these shoddy dcecisions from umps.....in a top test match

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:05

hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:close call but per the rules of DRS Watson's gotta go.
poor decision by Aleem Dar.....again.

Gates opened for England

Why was that a poor decision?

too much angled down the leg side for umpire to feel convinced that that was out.

when an umpire gives an LBW so quickly..the ball better be hitting a full stump and not 2% of the ball kissing the stump

To the naked eye it looked plum, I'd have no problem giving any of team mates out to a ball like that one.

to me it looked angled down the leg side.....and DRS proved me correct

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:05

the ball barely pitched in line and angled further away- It didnt look plumb- I honestly thought it was a catch!

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:06

mystiroakey wrote:the ball barely pitched in line and angled further away- It didnt look plumb- I honestly thought it was a catch!

Talking about the Watson wicket not the Rodgers appeal mysti.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 15:06

Sorry KP fan but that is rubbish. Some umpires , particularly old time one , we're very reluctant to give lbw , but nowadays they are more ready to give them...and Hawkeye usually proves them right.
As in this case.
The law says "hitting the stumps". Not " hitting middle half way up "

With the review the batsman is safer than ever.

Actually you could say a very good decision. Or perhaps very "fine"

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:07

oh that one yeah- it did look alot more out than Hawkeye showed.. Fine decision, but marginal in the end..

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:07

KP_fan wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:close call but per the rules of DRS Watson's gotta go.
poor decision by Aleem Dar.....again.

Gates opened for England

Why was that a poor decision?

too much angled down the leg side for umpire to feel convinced that that was out.

when an umpire gives an LBW so quickly..the ball better be hitting a full stump and not 2% of the ball kissing the stump

To the naked eye it looked plum, I'd have no problem giving any of team mates out to a ball like that one.

to me it looked angled down the leg side.....and DRS proved me correct

Not sure you can criticise that decision, unless of course you're on a wind up. It was proven right by DRS.

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:08

mystiroakey wrote:oh that one yeah- it did look alot more out than Hawkeye showed.. Fine decision, but marginal in the end..

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:09

FINN TIGHT LINES MATE- you are so much better than that

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 15:10

This is a good tense bit of cricket. Cowan still on a pair...until Finn lets him off with a rank long wide bit of rubbish furious

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:10

this pitch gives so many boundaries.. I may do a rain dance in a minute!!

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:13

Love the the attacking field. This is exactly what to do

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:14

Silly point and short leg are must have positions on this wicket for Swann.

Having fielded at short leg I know how dangerous that position is. Our spinner bowled a leg stump full toss that was smashed in to my ribs, still wince thinking about it.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:16

Nice one anderson. Talk to Finn. Get him on track

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 15:24

these two allowed to settle again.

these fanatics. it's like they took the idea of the barmy army, took out the soul and character, made it Poopie, and that's what they end up with. a crap facsimile of the real thing.

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul - 15:25

This is looking ominous. Hundred up for Australia and only 1 wicket down.

Have a bad feeling they may just cruise through this run chase.

England bowlers looking completely ineffectual for the most part. Rogers and Cowan just slowly accumulating.

by Hoggy_Bear Sat 13 Jul - 15:26

Oh well. Congratulations Australia clap

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:26

Pitch is looking increasingly easy...it will requiring sucidal batting or horrendous umpiring for Australia to lose from here.

Swann's tiring.......they should try Root or KP to rest swann

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:27

KP_fan wrote:Pitch is looking increasingly easy...it will requiring sucidal batting or horrendous umpiring for Australia to lose from here.

Swann's tiring.......they should try Root or KP to rest swann

or just good bowling from england

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul - 15:27

trebellbobaggins wrote:these two allowed to settle again.

these fanatics. it's like they took the idea of the barmy army, took out the soul and character, made it Poopie, and that's what they end up with. a crap facsimile of the real thing.

I'm sure they'll improve if they end up celebrating an Aussie win...which is looking very likely right now. Crying or Very sad

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 15:27

Time to Root to have an over or two ? Swann just hasn't been at his best here. Feeling the pressure ?

At least that was a better over from Finn.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:31

mystiroakey wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Pitch is looking increasingly easy...it will requiring sucidal batting or horrendous umpiring for Australia to lose from here.

Swann's tiring.......they should try Root or KP to rest swann

or just good bowling from england

so you thionk Eng are not already bowling as good as they can ?

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 15:35

I don't think England are that good in all honesty. The decline has been there for all to see for ages. how people like Swann were thick enough to say they'd hammer aussie i'll never know.

they deserve everything they get when aussie humiliate them and shove their arrogance in their face for years,

watch this lot retire rather than live with the thrashings.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:37

KP_fan wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Pitch is looking increasingly easy...it will requiring sucidal batting or horrendous umpiring for Australia to lose from here.

Swann's tiring.......they should try Root or KP to rest swann

or just good bowling from england

so you thionk Eng are not already bowling as good as they can ?

not even close

by Mike Selig Sat 13 Jul - 15:37

Afternoon all.

Apologies for recent absence due to European T20 commitments.

A lot of controversy over the umpiring and DRS. Australia haven't really used it well; again the Watson one, live I thought "probably out" and then immediate review - why? It was marginal, the review system isn't there for the marginal. I wonder whether if you reduced it down to 1 per innings that would help, because teams wouldn't use a "speculative review" just in case...

Really not sure what this "Broad should have walked" nonsense is. Comparisons with the Ramdin incident are so far off it's unreal - one was a case of deliberately misleading someone who was unsighted, the other a case of asking him to do his job. If you go down the route of fining people for not walking where do you stop? You don't always know when you've edged the ball (as we've seen with people reviewing instances of catches and then Hotspot showing a faint edge)...

As to the rest of the game, things can change quickly in cricket. Australia still have a lot of runs to score.

Perhaps some people will give Ian Bell a bit of a break now BTW?

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:38

Mike. Bell gets a 2 week reprieve!

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul - 15:39

Get in! England still have a sniff in this game.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul - 15:39

awesome rooty!!!

get in there lad, he just generated more turn than swanny- swanny just isnt there today.

But hey rooty!!!

by alfie Sat 13 Jul - 15:41

alfie wrote:Time to Root to have an over or two ? Swann just hasn't been at his best here. Feeling the pressure ?

At least that was a better over from Finn.

Well that was good of Cookie to pay attention to me Very Happy

111 strikes...

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul - 15:42

Root gets one to do a little bit from the rough...but will not be able to exert pressure as evrry over Root will bowl a lose one.

If England had Monty bowling in tandem.....would have made life miserable.

the only problem I have seen in England's bowling is actually from the captain..not using his fastest bowler Finn to open the bowling

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 15:43

interesting.

be funny if Englands opener ended up a better bowler and aussies 11 a better batter in the end.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul - 15:44

KP_fan wrote:Root gets one to do a little bit from the rough...but will not be able to exert pressure as evrry over Root will bowl a lose one.

If England had Monty bowling in tandem.....would have made life miserable.

the only problem I have seen in England's bowling is actually from the captain..not using his fastest bowler Finn to open the bowling

so Root has lost the game KP?

Monty would have been awesome. More poor selections from a messy team.

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