The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

by **Pal Joey** Fri 12 Jul 2013, 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:46 pm

I don't suppose we could have asked for a more exciting, close, and controversial first test match could we? England slight favourites right now, but they'll need a wicket in the next 25 minutes I think.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:51 pm

Aus will go in to test mode now-- maybe 1 an over for the rest of the day!!

by liverbnz Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:52 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
liverbnz wrote:
kingraf wrote:And HE's physics at 1AM is like staring into the sun!

I think they quote it at 3.6mm out but then there was that incident as Wimbledon a few years ago which had it out be more. Cricket stumps are obviously wider 1.5 inches I think but the ICC have left marginal calls with the onfield umpire which I think is the right thing to so if not the perfect solution. hawkeye is more than likely to be right but umpire's call takes precedence unless clear evidence otherwise. Clipping a stump via technological prediction that has a margin for error is not deemed clear by the ICC which I think is fair enough.

Liver I really am not sure why you are bringing up tennis.. Hawkeye is not used as a predictive technology in tennis.. It is clearly very different in cricket when we discuss the lbw's and hitting the wicket, Please dont use the tracking margin of error(however this does at least tell me where your confusion lies).. I have tried to explain above and last night. Maybe not well enough- that is clearly not my strength!!, refer to google!

http://www.hawkeyeinnovations.co.uk/page/sports-officiating/tennis

Mystir, yes it is. Both for line calls ( in that it replicates the shot played) and for data used for coaching players. But no matter, debate over. Alfie's post this morning pretty much nailed it.

by liverbnz Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:53 pm

How's the pitch playing today lads? No wickets for Swann yet. Is there no spin?

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:53 pm

Finn bowls a maiden. Well done, that should settle him.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm

liverbnz wrote:How's the pitch playing today lads? No wickets for Swann yet. Is there no spin?

There's a bit of spin, just Swann's not bowling as well as he did in the first innings.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm

pathetic fielding.. just hand them the bloody Urn Cook.

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm

Raining in Leicester

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:58 pm

I don't think rain would be a bad thing for England. Collectively, they're not bowling as well as they did in the first innings, so they might gladly take an overnight recharge of the batteries.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 4:59 pm

Important spell for Finn. From a personal as well as team angle.

He started this match well with two wickets but it has been all downhill for him since...couple more wickets now would be lovely. But at least some consistent pressure is a must.

by Carrotdude Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:01 pm

Still in the balance, need at least 2 more tonight, 3 ideally. Can see this being a very close finish.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:03 pm

liverbnz wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
liverbnz wrote:
kingraf wrote:And HE's physics at 1AM is like staring into the sun!

I think they quote it at 3.6mm out but then there was that incident as Wimbledon a few years ago which had it out be more. Cricket stumps are obviously wider 1.5 inches I think but the ICC have left marginal calls with the onfield umpire which I think is the right thing to so if not the perfect solution. hawkeye is more than likely to be right but umpire's call takes precedence unless clear evidence otherwise. Clipping a stump via technological prediction that has a margin for error is not deemed clear by the ICC which I think is fair enough.

Liver I really am not sure why you are bringing up tennis.. Hawkeye is not used as a predictive technology in tennis.. It is clearly very different in cricket when we discuss the lbw's and hitting the wicket, Please dont use the tracking margin of error(however this does at least tell me where your confusion lies).. I have tried to explain above and last night. Maybe not well enough- that is clearly not my strength!!, refer to google!

http://www.hawkeyeinnovations.co.uk/page/sports-officiating/tennis

Mystir, yes it is. Both for line calls ( in that it replicates the shot played) and for data used for coaching players. But no matter, debate over. Alfie's post this morning pretty much nailed it.

Your being very stubborn tbh. You clearly dont understand how the software works and that is your problem. No disrespect.. but do your self a favour and understand the difference between tracking and predicition..
Both have margins of error but predictions vastly higher. I gave you figures last night if you need to refer back.

if you honestly think the margin of error on hawk eyes prediction is within a few millimeters more fool you. Alfie hasnt even made a point regarding this. Do your self a favour. Stop digging your own grave

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:05 pm

Clearly Steve Finn read what I wrote at tea - he's looking fired up here!

Now a big shout for LBW! Looked good to me, no review though.

by kingraf Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:05 pm

England have a problem... If they cant bowl Australia top order out... What are they going to do when the real batsmen come out??

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:05 pm

I'd be willing to risk a review on this.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:06 pm

Just outside the line, soooo close. Good decision not to review.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:06 pm

they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:07 pm

Some quality bowling from Finn here, getting Smith in all sorts of trouble...survives a decent lbw appeal.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:07 pm

KP_fan wrote:they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

Outside the line, would have stayed not out.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:10 pm

Now a shout for a catch but not-out. England have certainly picked themselves up in the last ten minutes.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:16 pm

Real dog fight out there now. Smith looking a bit vulnerable - and getting a bit impatient.
But still there.

Think Aussies slight favourites right now. Wicket would change that though...if it comes soonish.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:17 pm

Aussie big favourites. if they need less than 160 when super Agar arrives it's a default win.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:18 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

Outside the line, would have stayed not out.

but if it was given out it would have remanied out ???

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:19 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

Outside the line, would have stayed not out.

but if it was given out it would have remanied out ???

If it was given out it would have remained out.
If it was given not out it would have remained not out.

The reason being that the ICC wish to retain some powers of the on-field umpire.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:23 pm

twitter flooded with "aussie earning a famous win" comments now.

It's true, agar will be a legend for winning this and Cook a disgrace for his poor decision making once again (putting yourself in under the worst conditions of the game).

hard to see England coming back from it without the players to fill the many gaps. shame. aussies ashes for sure.

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:26 pm

it's like two heavy wegiht boxersw in a 30 round fight this test match......27 rounds gone and yet the fight is in balance.

England not giving an inch....on an unhelpful pitcch
and so far Australia has resisted.

the game is FAR from finished

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

Outside the line, would have stayed not out.

but if it was given out it would have remanied out ???

If it was given out it would have remained out.
If it was given not out it would have remained not out.

The reason being that the ICC wish to retain some powers of the on-field umpire.

thanks for the explanation.
I further get convinced..in it's current form DRS sucks

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:33 pm

Broad smashed and this has moved into cruise territory for Aussie.

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:36 pm

The smallest of nicks on that.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

The worrying thing is that apart from Cowan , all the batsmen have got going. England will need to get a couple of cheap ones at some point...

Is that a wicket ? Certainly carried...Out !...but now Clarke reviews..did he edge it ? Tiny hot spot mark ...

.....???. Still OUT !

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

out..

brilliant

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

Clarke didnt walk. What a cheat.

Alright it was less obvious but it makes the point about having reviews to hand.

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

Huge wicket that one. Something is telling me that Agar still has a part to play.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Clarke didnt walk. What a cheat.

Against the spirit of the game

by liverbnz Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

Broad has a real knack of getting wickets when tey are desperately needed. Crucial, crucial wicket. For England to lose now.

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

Wow - HUGE wicket there! Boy did England need that.

Broad has the Aussie skipper caught behind (after much debate and reviewing) for 23. That was their last review and now they have no more.

Aus 161-4 and now they must be feeling a bit less confident.

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

And again Aussies are out of challenges after 2 speculative reviews

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

this si going down to the wire

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

Agar, worlds greatest?

Yep.

Seriously reckon he will play with no fear again. Will it work again? He could have gone on 6 after all.

by Carrotdude Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

Match swings back England's way with Clarke's wicket, presumably such a thin edge that Clarke didn't even know about it seeing as he reviewed it

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

no reviews left- OUT

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

What a big moment ! Was sure Erasmus would bottle that call Smile

Very faint edge...but it was an edge. So will Clarke be pilloried on twitter now for standing ...and calling for a review ?

And now Smith is gone !

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

Massive. Absolutely huge wicket.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

what a bowl that was!!

by liverbnz Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

Yes Swanny!!

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:41 pm

Agent smith gone and he can't review it. Looked good though.

by Carrotdude Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:41 pm

Another one!

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:42 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Clarke didnt walk. What a cheat.

Alright it was less obvious but it makes the point about having reviews to hand.

Agreed. As the commentators have said, you should only review decisions if they're blatantly wrong or for tactical purposes...not marginal ones.

OMG - Smith is gone lbw for 17 - Swann strikes for his first wicket this innings and Australia are now 161-5.

England tails are up, the crowd are roaring and surely this match is here for the taking!

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:43 pm

Haddin and Hughes now. Both new to the crease and Swann will have his tail up...

Game swings again. Still a lot of cricket to be played ...

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:44 pm

aqgain england change it up day end.. another wicket or two will be handy

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