The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

by **Pal Joey** Fri 12 Jul 2013, 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:44 pm

We had them nine down for 119 before god arrived last time Wolfie!

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:44 pm

Surely Smith would've known he'd hit it. Therefore his review was in direct violation of the fabled 'Spirit of the Game'

Whistle

by NickisBHAFC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:44 pm

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still im not getting over excited yet, as shown in the first innings anything can happen.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

2 quick wickets in as many balls- the Test is ours!

Clarke not walking? Tut, tut, tut.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

Hadn't and Hughes. Both men who will get a ton and won't get out.

Well selected win Aussie.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:46 pm

Hey dyrewolfe ...this match has been there for the taking by both sides several times...but it keeps evading them both Smile

Still can't call this.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:47 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:they appealed...and didn't review..when it was hitting middle stump

Outside the line, would have stayed not out.

but if it was given out it would have remanied out ???

If it was given out it would have remained out.
If it was given not out it would have remained not out.

The reason being that the ICC wish to retain some powers of the on-field umpire.

thanks for the explanation.
I further get convinced..in it's current form DRS sucks

Why? If the majority of the ball/absolutely none of the ball is in line/hitting the stumps, it has the power to overrule the umpire. If less than half of the ball is in line/hitting the stumps, there is an element of doubt, so it'll stay with the umpire's call.

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:48 pm

Clarke had a look behind him after he nicked it.

Whats the difference between Broad waiting for the Umpire's decision and Clarke asking for an (extremely) speculative review?

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:49 pm

Hughes, Haddin, then the rest. One more tonight and Cook can open the champers early!

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:49 pm

I like the umpires call in hawkeye. If its too close for hawkeye to be reliable (i.e its extremely close) then leave the decision with the umpire.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:49 pm

GSC wrote:Clarke had a look behind him after he nicked it.

Whats the difference between Broad waiting for the Umpire's decision and Clarke asking for an (extremely) speculative review?

Broad's English, Clarke's Australian. Go figure.

by **Pr4wn** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

The only difference is that everyone expects it of Clarke.

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

If we can get 1 more wicket in these last 10 overs, the match should be in the bag for England.

by kingraf Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

Time to see if having no tail is a better ploy than finding six batsmen

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

Duty281 wrote:Hughes, Haddin, then the rest. One more tonight and Cook can open the champers early!

You forget Godgar?

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

And yet again Clarke wastes a review. Watson similarly throwing one away.

Give them 4 and they're more inclined to do it. Give them 1 and would they throw it away?

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:51 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Hughes, Haddin, then the rest. One more tonight and Cook can open the champers early!

You forget Godgar?

He can't do it twice. No more than twenty in the second innings with the pressure on.

Now Swann's turning it sharp!

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:52 pm

That looked out.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:53 pm

so out

by **hampo17** Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:53 pm

Get in Swanny!!!

by kingraf Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:53 pm

The funny thing about umpires call... Is that it basically means... If its too close for hawkeye to accurately judge, we'll go with the human eye... Which is worse than hawkeye.
Brilliant

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:53 pm

england are very very good at reviews. COOK has a brain.

Again this umpiring is worse than useless this test

by KP_fan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:54 pm

Ohh the ball was not pitching completely in the zone but still cnsidred pitching in line.
DRS is bad

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:54 pm

England use a review - looked outside leg to me.

What a corker of a ball though!

Oh feck, it's in line! Yahoo

He's gone - what a ball!!!! One to rival Anderson's a few days ago!

1 nil to the Champions!

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

KP_fan wrote:Ohh the ball was not pitching completely in the zone but still cnsidred pitching in line.
DRS is bad

Majority of the ball pitching in line - more than 50%. Its out. Stone dead.

And it's 1 nil to the Champions!

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

Plumb. Umpiring so far has been rubbish. Really rubbish.

My uncle denzil does better here in Cornwall.

So no Hughes there for Godgar so he will need Haddin to hang around.

Aussie winning it with ease with that secret weapon.

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

GSC wrote:I like the umpires call in hawkeye. If its too close for hawkeye to be reliable (i.e its extremely close) then leave the decision with the umpire.

Agreed. Hawkeye isn't 100% foolproof, so you have to give the umpire the ability to back their own call.

And Hughes is gone lbw for a duck...by the slimmest of margins. Originally given not out, England had to ask for a review and that was what did for him. Swann gets his second victim and Australia are 6 down.

Wonderboy Ashton Agar IS promoted to number 8. Can he repeat his heroics from the first innings?

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

kingraf wrote:The funny thing about umpires call... Is that it basically means... If its too close for hawkeye to accurately judge, we'll go with the human eye... Which is worse than hawkeye.
Brilliant

If its too close for Hawkeye to decide, then its fair enough to keep it with the umpire. Have to get a decision one way or another.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

KP_fan wrote:Ohh the ball was not pitching completely in the zone but still cnsidred pitching in line.
DRS is bad

I take it half your posts are bait?

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

KP_fan wrote:Ohh the ball was not pitching completely in the zone but still cnsidred pitching in line.
DRS is bad

huh? Looked spot on.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:56 pm

"Swann will tear you apart again" sing the English crowd!

And Trebbs, here's Agar.

Can England take the extra half-hour?

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:56 pm

A Swann gets Hughes for a Duck.

What a brave review call from Cook ...and a great piece of bowling.

by The Facts Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:56 pm

Think we can agree England have had the run of the luck and decisions this match which makes it even more embarrassing they are struggling to win

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:57 pm

Wickets tend to fall in clumps again. Patience when someone gets in required.

Last stand here you'd suspect. Starc/Pattinson/Siddle might offer resistance but not much.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:57 pm

Oh god. Forget any optimism people. The best ever just walked out
There with the swagger of an angry drunken silverback.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

The Facts wrote:Think we can agree England have had the run of the luck and decisions this match which makes it even more embarrassing they are struggling to win

Agar's stumping. Trott's LBW.

And I don't think England are struggling. Yahoo

by trebellbobaggins Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

The Facts wrote:Think we can agree England have had the run of the luck and decisions this match which makes it even more embarrassing they are struggling to win

Against a brilliant side who are favourites to win here.

But eng have made a lot of mistakes and batted poorly for sure.

by alfie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

Big partnership up now with Haddin and Agar ...how England would love another one now !
Swann really spinning that ball ...

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

KP by the way- This is how we bowl ..

As you can see a vast difference to earlier on in the day

by NickisBHAFC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm

kingraf wrote:The funny thing about umpires call... Is that it basically means... If its too close for hawkeye to accurately judge, we'll go with the human eye... Which is worse than hawkeye.
Brilliant

Well, at the end of the day somebody (a PERSON) has to make a decision...so it may as well be the umpire.

Just like in football, they have to rely on the ref and their assistants. No system is perfect, so you may as well go with the officials' decision.

Hawkeye is just there for the blatant or marginal decisions that they miss or misjudge (being human they will inevitably make mistakes).

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm

Have England have the luck on their side? Broad you could certainly say so, but Australia got some fairly nice decisions on Trott and Agar to balance.

I'd say Australia have played better as a unit, but England's class told eventually.

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm

Someone buy Holding a pint of bitter. He's clearly still annoyed about yesterday.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:00 pm

The facts

145 runs lost to the stumping is more than anything we have gained

they lost out on 30 odd from broad.

we also lost root- thats a 50 odd loss.

I would say england are about 170 down from bad decsions

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:00 pm

That said, game isn't over yet. Boy wonder Agar to step up?

by Duty281 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:01 pm

mystiroakey wrote:The facts

145 runs lost to the stumping is more than anything we have gained

they lost out on 30 odd from broad.

we also lost root- thats a 50 odd loss.

I would say england are about 170 down on reviews

And we're still going to cruise home by a safe 80-110 run margin!

Long to reign over us....God save the Queen!

by dyrewolfe Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

GSC wrote:Wickets tend to fall in clumps again. Patience when someone gets in required.

Last stand here you'd suspect. Starc/Pattinson/Siddle might offer resistance but not much.

This is where psychology comes into sport. You can have all the ability in the world, but if you're tense, nervous and unsure, you will make mistakes. Now we'll see if Agar has the mental strength to go with his technique.

by The Facts Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

Everyone seems to forget the joke decision Rodgers got in the first innings. There is no denying 99% of the 50/50 calls have gone England's way

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:04 pm

The Facts wrote:Everyone seems to forget the joke decision Rodgers got in the first innings. There is no denying 99% of the 50/50 calls have gone England's way

by GSC Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:05 pm

Somewhat reminiscent of the 5th Ashes test in 09 at the Oval.

Warwickshire batsman scores a vital 100 to set Australia a tough target. Watson and friend get Australia off to a good start before Clarke and Ponting depart. Hussey batted with the tail defiantly then...

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