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Disappointing from Buglioni, would have expected him to have had the guy out of there by now.

It's nearly Chisora time, final thoughts?

Easily entertained then. I was a dreary affair. The rules state up and 10. Scott was on his was up at 10 and not fully up at 10. Look at the Foreman/Ali fight. George was on his way up at 10 but not fully up. Correct stoppage.

The rules do state to get up before 10 but leaving the floor at 9 leaves you vulnerable to being counted out. That is, the ref believing you got up in over a second. Therefore, most boxers get up on 8.

It is tough on Malik. He didn't appear to be hurt that badly but it was a mistake.

He admitted in the post fight that he was hurt. The question then comes, would Del let him off after and was he tiring?

Sadly, we didn't get the fight we deserve but Malik and his corner need to take the blame on this one. And to be fair, he didn't make much of it. Credit to him.

azania wrote:Easily entertained then. I was a dreary affair. The rules state up and 10. Scott was on his was up at 10 and not fully up at 10. Look at the Foreman/Ali fight. George was on his way up at 10 but not fully up. Correct stoppage.

Don't you mean 9

Ooops yes. I meant before 10 so by definition 9.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:Easily entertained then. I was a dreary affair. The rules state up and 10. Scott was on his was up at 10 and not fully up at 10. Look at the Foreman/Ali fight. George was on his way up at 10 but not fully up. Correct stoppage.

Don't you mean 9

i don't think he means half the stuff he says.

True. Az. Like I said, if you dont get up at eight,
youre putting it in the refs hands

You have to be up and ready to fight in ten seconds. Scott wasnt fully up and ready. By the time the ref got to 10 he was still rising.

Correct stoppage and he only has himself to blame. What boxer nowadays rises at 9!!!???

After tonight... I'm guessing none.

What a plank!

The fact is the rule states you must be up before 10...therefore you can't use assumptions and say 'leaving the floor at 9 leaves you vulnerable to being counted out' the point is the ref was incompetent/suspect and Malik was on the wrong end of this.

The ref was looking into Scotts eyes and must have known he was ok. The ref looked only too happy to wave the fight off.

I'm sure people will analyse this stoppage when it comes out on YouTube. My gut feeling was Scott did not want to get up even though he could have easily. That's why I am very suspicious about this fight. I wonder how the betting went.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:Easily entertained then. I was a dreary affair. The rules state up and 10. Scott was on his was up at 10 and not fully up at 10. Look at the Foreman/Ali fight. George was on his way up at 10 but not fully up. Correct stoppage.

Don't you mean 9

i don't think he means half the stuff he says.

Awww you hurt my feelings you blithering anchor.

Khan against Garcia got up well before the 10 count and was unable to continue.... I understand the ref deemed it unsafe for him to carry on so he waved off fight. Now the ref didn't complete the full 10 count here and waved the fight off! So from this we can only assume ref thought Malik was unable to continue, which is a disgrace imo.

Saunders lookin excellent. The jab is blinding!

Ok i am trying to find the rules and so far I have found that

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Scott was on his feet at 9 seconds and 'ready' to box at 10 seconds because he was on his feet and his gloves were not touching the floor.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Ok i am trying to find the rules and so far I have found that

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Scott was on his feet at 9 seconds and 'ready' to box at 10 seconds because he was on his feet and his gloves were not touching the floor.

Exactly the rules are the rules all this vulnerability is all nonsense.

Malik said his equalibrium was off from the shot Chisora caught him so his head might have been a little scrambled to be paying attention to the count.

Ah well, it was a rubbish fight anyway so nothing to get too excited about. Not like it was a world class duel.

He was not fully up and ready to box at 10. He was on his way up when the count reached 10.

If you're on your feet and squatting at 10, you are not ready to fight.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Ok i am trying to find the rules and so far I have found that

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Scott was on his feet at 9 seconds and 'ready' to box at 10 seconds because he was on his feet and his gloves were not touching the floor.

Exactly the rules are the rules all this vulnerability is all nonsense.

He also has to rise his gloves for the ref which he would not have done in time. He blew it, case closed.

Bit odd, this one.

Scott is quickly turning in to a bit of a Harry Hard Luck story, what with the way he was ripped off by the judges against Glazkov back in February and the controversy over this stoppage (like most, I thought he'd had the better of the opening five rounds).

That said, I'm finding it a wee bit difficult to have too much sympathy for him here. Time and again we've seen the risks in leaving it until the referee counts 'nine' before trying to haul yourself up, and he's paid a heavy price here. Don't get me wrong, there's every right to question the referee's decision to not even give him a bit of a once-over after he'd eventually risen (just about!) within ten seconds, but I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other here and leaving it so late was a huge error in judgement by Scott.

I don't think a fix of any kind is in, just a poor piece of judgement from Scott and a referee who doesn't care much for the 'room for discretion' theory and who applies the rules as absolutely sternly as possible!

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The fact is the rule states you must be up before 10...therefore you can't use assumptions and say 'leaving the floor at 9 leaves you vulnerable to being counted out' the point is the ref was incompetent/suspect and Malik was on the wrong end of this.

http://www.worldboxingfederation.net/wbfrulesandregulations.htm

When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall audibly announce the count as he motions with his right arm downward indicating the end of each sound of the count. If the boxer taking the count is still down when the referee calls the count of ten  the referee shall wave both arms indicating that the boxer has been knocked out. (10)

The ref never counted to 10 only to 9.

A boxer shall be considered “down” when, as a result of a legal blow as ruled by the referee, who is the only person authorized to determine this, any part of their body other than their feet are on the canvas,

Scott was not down because under the rules as stated above only scotts feet were on the canvas.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Ok i am trying to find the rules and so far I have found that

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Scott was on his feet at 9 seconds and 'ready' to box at 10 seconds because he was on his feet and his gloves were not touching the floor.

Exactly the rules are the rules all this vulnerability is all nonsense.

He also has to rise his gloves for the ref which he would not have done in time. He blew it, case closed.

Where in the rules does it say this? 'A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.' Im finding it hard to sight where you must raise your hands.

He wasn't fully up. He was on his way up. Good stoppage and I for one am grateful that it happened. Cr@p fight.

azania wrote:He wasn't fully up. He was on his way up. Good stoppage and I for one am grateful that it happened. Cr@p fight.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The fact is the rule states you must be up before 10...therefore you can't use assumptions and say 'leaving the floor at 9 leaves you vulnerable to being counted out' the point is the ref was incompetent/suspect and Malik was on the wrong end of this.

http://www.worldboxingfederation.net/wbfrulesandregulations.htm

When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall audibly announce the count as he motions with his right arm downward indicating the end of each sound of the count. If the boxer taking the count is still down when the referee calls the count of ten  the referee shall wave both arms indicating that the boxer has been knocked out. (10)

The ref never counted to 10 only to 9.

A boxer shall be considered “down” when, as a result of a legal blow as ruled by the referee, who is the only person authorized to determine this, any part of their body other than their feet are on the canvas,

Scott was not down because under the rules as stated above only scotts feet were on the canvas.

Billy Joe constantly pushing O'Sullivan and not a word from Terry O'Connor.

Saunders looking a bit ragged now. Might get interesting this one!

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Ok i am trying to find the rules and so far I have found that

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Scott was on his feet at 9 seconds and 'ready' to box at 10 seconds because he was on his feet and his gloves were not touching the floor.

Exactly the rules are the rules all this vulnerability is all nonsense.

He also has to rise his gloves for the ref which he would not have done in time. He blew it, case closed.

Where in the rules does it say this? 'A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.' Im finding it hard to sight where you must raise your hands.

yep I posted the rules and the rules state that a boxer is NOT DOWN if only his feet are touching the canvas.

So CS is a boxer is on his feet but squatting at 10 should the fight continue?

Watch the Benn/Watson and Ali/Foreman fights. Almost identical to this. Both Benn and Foreman were on their way up but not fully up. Both were on their feet but not ready to continue.

Actually I take that back. Saunders is looking great. Thought he looked tired but putting on a clinic here. O'Sullivan looking like a walking heavy bag.

CS to be honest this is the only response you are gonna get from me. I dont take you serious as a poster or as a person after the last conversation I seen you take part in. Thanks

Best MW in the country. He'd beat Macklin, Murray and Barker.

azania wrote:So CS is a boxer is on his feet but squatting at 10 should the fight continue?

The ref always has discretion, some boxers rise at 7 but the ref says they cannot continue due to damage etc.

Under the rules scott beat the count, the ref has a discretion to call the fight off if scott is not in a position to continue due to damage etc.

Scott clearly looked like he could continue so the ref either called the fight off because he thought scott was in no position to continue which was the wrong call or the ref got the rules wrong which I quoted and counted out scott even though under the rules scott beat the count.

Is it me but can none of these Olympians dig?

Saunders isn't dispatching O'Sullivan here. Degale, Gavin, Lee and Ogogo all have looked feather- fisted at times .

The tippy tap scoring of amateur boxing and actually having too much experience at that level a hindrance in the pro game?

Scott was not up. He wa son his way up. Slight difference hence I used the squatting example which no surprise you failed to understand.

BJS looks fleshy to me. Moobs?

Just seen it and Scott only has himself to blame. Why he didn't get up earlier is anyone's guess. Either he was genuinely hurt or totally unprofessional?

CS - I take it youre taking Scotts post-fight interview where he admitted he is equilibrium wasnt quite right getting up as evidence that he was fit to continue? Next you will claim Khan could have continued the Garcia fight, or maybe we should get some one from Rolling Stone to prove that Scott was down before the ref started counting and thus it was longer than the full ten seconds? Corrie Sanders looked fine immediately after the Vitali fight, and he wasnt even dropped should we re-look into that as well? I dont remember the ref even giving Pacquiao a eight count vs Marquez, in the fourth fight.

Captain Charisma wrote:Is it me but can none of these Olympians dig?

Saunders isn't dispatching O'Sullivan here. Degale, Gavin, Lee and Ogogo all have looked feather- fisted at times .

The tippy tap scoring  of amateur boxing and actually having too much experience at that level a hindrance in the pro game?

To be fair to BJS, he has had some serious hand trouble. He probably has had to alter his style to accommodate that. Great talent though. He also looks like the only southpaw who doesn't slap and throws correct punches.

azania wrote:Scott was not up. He wa son his way up. Slight difference hence I used the squatting example which no surprise you failed to understand.

Under boxing rules which i quoted he was up because only his feet were touching the canvas, that is the definition of up in boxing.

A boxer can squat during a bout and he would not expect to be given a 10 count for it.

Can you point out where the rules say that the boxer is ok to continue when he is on his way up?

As you know I was not referring to the boxer squatting during the count. But do carry on altering what was said to fit your opinion.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

azania wrote:He wasn't fully up. He was on his way up. Good stoppage and I for one am grateful that it happened. Cr@p fight.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The fact is the rule states you must be up before 10...therefore you can't use assumptions and say 'leaving the floor at 9 leaves you vulnerable to being counted out' the point is the ref was incompetent/suspect and Malik was on the wrong end of this.

http://www.worldboxingfederation.net/wbfrulesandregulations.htm

When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall audibly announce the count as he motions with his right arm downward indicating the end of each sound of the count. If the boxer taking the count is still down when the referee calls the count of ten  the referee shall wave both arms indicating that the boxer has been knocked out. (10)

The ref never counted to 10 only to 9.

A boxer shall be considered “down” when, as a result of a legal blow as ruled by the referee, who is the only person authorized to determine this, any part of their body other than their feet are on the canvas,

Scott was not down because under the rules as stated above only scotts feet were on the canvas.

under the rules scott beat the count because he was up because only his feet were on the canvas.

Was he upright?

azania wrote:Can you point out where the rules say that the boxer is ok to continue when he is on his way up?

As you know I was not referring to the boxer squatting during the count. But do carry on altering what was said to fit your opinion.

Rules are rules and he was not down when the ref reached 9, the ref didnt even count 10.

If the ref feels like scott was not able to continue then that is the refs discretion but scott beat the count and the ref called the fight off saying scott never beat the count.

You cant.

Fair stoppage. He was on his way up and therefore not up. Ergo correct stoppage according to the rules you posted.

azania wrote:

Captain Charisma wrote:Is it me but can none of these Olympians dig?

Saunders isn't dispatching O'Sullivan here. Degale, Gavin, Lee and Ogogo all have looked feather- fisted at times .

The tippy tap scoring  of amateur boxing and actually having too much experience at that level a hindrance in the pro game?

To be fair to BJS, he has had some serious hand trouble. He probably has had to alter his style to accommodate that. Great talent though. He also looks like the only southpaw who doesn't slap and throws correct punches.

He's impressed me tonight. He can fight front foot and back. O'Sullivan is a tough out with okay power and BJS has done a nice job on him.

Will he wipe Ryder?

Yep. He'll take Ryder apart. Pity that GGG is in the same division. I see him fighting and beating Barker or Geale but avoiding GGG like AIDs.

Billy Joe is a great talent, but I have to admit that his lack of power is worrying me a bit

Just quickly looked on Boxrec, and Billy Joe hasn't had a stoppage past the first 2 rounds, so his power hasn't shown it carries very well as the rounds go on

He can be a bit of a slapper and while he's talented enough to box the best, it's very tiring and very hard trying to box a master class against every single opponent you have to fight. The last few fights showed that he can be hit and does look like he can be grounded down and walked down

Hopefully his power gets a tad better as he matures physically

Cripes the place is empty. And this was topping the bill. Frank has serious work to do.

azania wrote:You cant.

Fair stoppage. He was on his way up and therefore not up. Ergo correct stoppage according to the rules you posted.

Under wbo rules which this fight was sanctioned under being up means being on your feet. Therefore he was up.

I have posted the rules and I doubt you can post the rules that I am wrong.

So on your feet and squatting is fine under wbo rules. Can you point out where it says that please.

Once again you (deliberately) miss the obvious.

Big Daddy will be in town on Monday. I wonder if they'll have subtitles ?