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Post by Mr Bounce Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:48 pm

First topic message reminder :

With the recent EPS announcement, there was no mention of the captain's armband & who would take it. Robshaw held the captaincy through the Autumn & 6 Nations, his top job being the win against the ABs and his more questionable moments being the arguing & poor decision making against SA, and the team folding against Wales in the 6N.

Tom Wood was brought in as Captain for the tour to Argentina and led well, like Robshaw, from the front. I remember a while back in 2012 reading that Stuart Lancaster's Captain of choice was Wood, but he went for Robshaw due to Wood's foot injury which kept him out of the 2012 6N.

Is it possible that a change is likely? I am a fan of both players and would be happy with either as the England skipper; I just don't know the reasoning behind the waiting game.

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Post by Chjw131 Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:45 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:you only get the best from Croft if you pair him with an all-rounder at 7 as opposed to a traditional 7."

Poorfour his form at the end of last season (when he had actually regained fitness) was brilliant and he was partnered with a traditional 7 in Salvi. He was also excellent when paired with Robshaw the previous six nations. Croft will play with any type of 7. It's the 8 that's more crucial. There's no coincidence that his form took off last season with once work horse Crane was back and in form with Croft struggling for England with Wood at 8.

Chjw not sure how you decided Wilson was a better option in a scrummaging pack than Cole? Wilson has never shone on the international stage (despite good form at the end of last season) and Cole is a Lion and despatched some pretty big name looseheads last season, notably his disassembly of Tonga'huia (sp) in the final. I note that Parling and Tom Youngs his fellow Lions are also dismissed as quickly. Who'd have thought winning the Premiership, reaching the knock out stages of the HEC and touring with the Lions would be overshadowed by three Bath boys inconsistent season's culminating in victories over the Argentine A side. This grass is always greener syndrome is very odd.

Sam you misread my post. I have put up the two packs from a)the 6N and b) the touring side to Argentina. What I have said is this: that the consensus has been that we were a bit underpowered in the 6N.

That simply putting Morgan back in and expecting him to change the whole dynamic isn't enough.

That the Argentina tour went well with some good showings from Wilson, Webber, Attwood and Morgan.

That if we're going to implement any lessons from the 6N what changes are we going to make?

I am a country mile away from slating one of the world's best all round tightheads in Dan Cole. I am a big fan of Tom Youngs' dynamism and open carrying. I have massive respect for Parling and would quite happily see him play without complaint. So can we leave aside the misread sledging?!

What I have said is that as a unit that touring pack looked very powerful, admittedly against an Argie side of varying quality. What we do need to do is add an extra dynamic to that 6N pack and that cannot just be Morgan. I'd like to see at least Attwood come in, he carries pretty well in the tight and adds ballast in the scrum.

I think Davy Wilson has done extremely well in the past six months or so and his carrying game is a level or two above Cole's. He doesn't have Cole's workrate or snaffling at the breakdown. What he offers is good defence and carrying work. Barring Morgan and Corbisiero who are the top class carriers in the 6N pack I have outlined? Tom Youngs does well in the loose but not tight in so much.

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