4th Ashes Test Durham

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They're all at it again on Friday. Just as England are likely to chuck in a bad performance when everyone expects them to win (Leeds 09, Perth 2010/11, Manchester 2013) they usually bounce back next Test (Lord's and Oval 09, Melbourne 2010/11).
I'm taking England to win one of the last two Tests to ensure a series victory. Onions, it seems, will come in and that could be a good move. Still think this is not a very strong Australia team. It's just that they were an average team playing poorly in the first two Test while at Manchester they were an average team playing well.
Before Manchester, we were asking if Australia could improve/get back into the series. Well they certainly achieved the former if not the latter. Now we could ask - Can England start firing on all cylinders ?

so Aus review the wrong LBW.

DRS is as CI called it Schrodinger equation cat.

Bowlers subsidize the English batsman and keep them going neck to neck....so far it is going perfectly to the best case script of Eng

What the hell...?

England appeal for Harris' wicket. Umpire gives it not out. England review...and Harris walks after seeing a replay on the big screen, before the DRS decision comes back, overturning the umpire's call. Broad gets his 5-for

Umpire has to raise his finger to a set of stumps...bizarre!


Anyway Australia are all out for 270. A little more than England would have liked, but they're still very much in this game.

I just hope we show a bit more common sense and judgement this time around.

270 and crashed... Aussies finally bit ahead but will only be worthy if they could get 2 wickets before 32.

Hill really is utter guff. Worst of the lot.

That represents a brilliant comeback from England this morning. A lead of just 32 is better than they had any real right to expect overnight.

Still have to bat properly second time around , but the bowlers have just about made the game even for now.

How many mistakes have the newly elited umpire Hill has managed in this series so far!? What a poor call from the ICC that one is proving to be!?

 

And England drag themselves, kicking and screaming, seaming and spinning, back into the game. Quite brilliant from England this morning - I take it the knee-jerkers have disappeared?

Probably about 60-40 in favour of England now; the lead is minimal, and Australia have to bat last. 2 good sessions of batting here will see England in complete control.

Well done to Rogers for his ton, and well done to Broad for his five-for.

Hi msp - whilst you're around, just to say that having watched Tony Hill quite a bit in the light of your comments you appear to be absolutely right. Sure, anyone can have a bad day out in the middle and make a mistake or two but Hill seems to make a continual speciality out of it! I also found his comments and reasoning for coming off due to ''bad light'' at Old Trafford deeply unconvincing.

Matters well illustrated by Hill having his original decision overturned and then giving Harris out lbw when the batsman was nowhere to be seen, being already well on the way back to the pavilion having watched the incident on the big screen.

Anyway, a very good morning so far for England. A useful lead for Australia but nowhere near as many as they would have hoped for last night. A psychological boost for England. Can we build on it? I think we just might ....

I feel Bowden should be brought back in the panel. Lyon was not out he ruled him out, Harris was out not given. Thanks to DRS.

Blimey...just saw a Hawkeye of the Lyon lbw.

Says it was completely missing ???

Would have fooled me ...looked plumb...not surprised he didn't argue.

If we can get a lead of 250 I think we're in command of this game

205/4 to 270 all out!

Are you England, are you England, are you England in disguise?

Well England look in total control. It is now totally a second innings game. A lead more than 300 and Australia will lose another one. Hopefully bowlers will do the same what they did in the first innings.

Olly wrote:If we can get a lead of 250 I think we're in command of this game

Yes, although I think even 220 would be challenging for Australia. Proves once again that you don't need a lot of runs for a lot of excitement.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Well England look in total control. It is now totally a second innings game. A lead more than 300 and Australia will lose another one. Hopefully bowlers will do the same what they did in the first innings.

No hopefully not.

Duty281 wrote:205/4 to 270 all out!

Are you England, are you England, are you England in disguise?

From 76-4 they took it to 204-4. Good recovery but eventually lost their way after Watson's wicket.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:I feel Bowden should be brought back in the panel. Lyon was not out he ruled him out, Harris was out not given. Thanks to DRS.

Actually it was Dar who gave Lyon out.

But Hill is in the horrors. I have some sympathy...he appears to have lost all confidence , and when that happens to you in the middle of a Test Match there is nowhere to hide.

All the DRS stuff can't be helping.

He is probably a better umpire than he is showing right now. But in his present state he needs a rest.

It was Dar who gave Lyon wrongly out. To be fair he did go a long way across but mostly after he missed the ball, live it looked very out, but that's what the tech is there for. Puzzling that he didn't review it (or even talk to Harris about it), must have felt much as it looked.

Have a feeling Hill didn't give the Harris one because he thought Harris had got some bat on it, and to be fair it did come off both pads which makes the dual noise necessary. Still a poor decision though as Harris got nowhere near it.

Good use of the reviews by England this morning, unlike Australia (what was Haddin reviewing his decision for? looked absolutely plumb, and was), and they'll be delighted with their work so far, taking the last five wickets for less than 50 runs.

Lastly, pleased to see Broad get a fully-deserved five-for, bowled superbly and could easily have had more wickets yesterday.

trebellbobaggins wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Well England look in total control. It is now totally a second innings game. A lead more than 300 and Australia will lose another one. Hopefully bowlers will do the same what they did in the first innings.

No hopefully not.

Hehe...Lets see as the game progresses. Though,looking at the solid English batting Line up, I am hopeful,Aussies may fight back.

ROOT play your shots lad- Play your shots.. Its the only way today. If you try and stick you get out.

guildfordbat wrote:

Olly wrote:If we can get a lead of 250 I think we're in command of this game

Yes, although I think even 220 would be challenging for Australia. Proves once again that you don't need a lot of runs for a lot of excitement.

low-scoring games are (almost) always the more exciting ones. Unfortunately they don't bring in as much money generally speaking (though this one could well carry over to day 5 with a few interruptions and an improved second innings from England). It's a delicate balance, and this pitch has got it spot on IMO, shown by the fact there's been nothing but praise for it by the comentray team

I was going to say England have a lot of time to bat here, but the weather forecast looks awfully patchy for tomorrow and Tuesday.

*gulp*

alfie wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:I feel Bowden should be brought back in the panel. Lyon was not out he ruled him out, Harris was out not given. Thanks to DRS.

Actually it was Dar who gave Lyon out.

But Hill is in the horrors.  I have some sympathy...he appears to have lost all confidence , and when that happens to you in the middle of a Test Match there is nowhere to hide.

All the DRS stuff can't be helping.

He is probably a better umpire than he is showing right now.  But in his present state he needs a rest.

Agree with you. But still I think ICC should encourage more umpires to be fit in the panel. We have now only four neutral umpires for this series.
Why not they use home umpires at least for TV umpiring?

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:205/4 to 270 all out!

Are you England, are you England, are you England in disguise?

From 76-4 they took it to 204-4. Good recovery but eventually lost their way after Watson's wicket.

i think the biggest factor was roger not getting out when out and riding his luck. He did what he needed to do and cashed in on the chance. Man of the match thus far.

Duty281 wrote:I was going to say England have a lot of time to bat here, but the weather forecast looks awfully patchy for tomorrow and Tuesday.

*gulp*

to be fair - we only need the draw- so if we get to that 300. i think its an ashes win!!

we don't have to worry about the weather- the aussies do!!

Play for the win and if we don't we should get the draw(if the weather gets involved)

Lyon in at short leg for the Aussies is a strange one

Aussies still attacking Root with full bowling...good plan I think. Good to see Root looking to take singles- as a pair I feel he and Cook haven't rotated the strike enough in their few innings together.


Really has only been one serious partnership so far in this match. Feel if England can deliver two partnerships in this innings it might be enough to settle things. It doesn't seem to be a sudden collapse sort of pitch , so much as a "you are never really in" type : which is odd , as it doesn't look to be producing many tricks...

yes agreed on that alfie..

trebellbobaggins wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:205/4 to 270 all out!

Are you England, are you England, are you England in disguise?

From 76-4 they took it to 204-4. Good recovery but eventually lost their way after Watson's wicket.

i think the biggest factor was roger not getting out when out and riding his luck.  He did what he needed to do and cashed in on the chance.  Man of the match thus far.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/661249.html

This Article is awesome,expressing each rough and tough moments of his full innings.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

alfie wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:I feel Bowden should be brought back in the panel. Lyon was not out he ruled him out, Harris was out not given. Thanks to DRS.

Actually it was Dar who gave Lyon out.

But Hill is in the horrors.  I have some sympathy...he appears to have lost all confidence , and when that happens to you in the middle of a Test Match there is nowhere to hide.

All the DRS stuff can't be helping.

He is probably a better umpire than he is showing right now.  But in his present state he needs a rest.

Agree with you. But still I think ICC should encourage more umpires to be fit in the panel. We have now only four neutral umpires for this series.
Why not they use home umpires at least for TV umpiring?

Well that seems quite sensible. But can you imagine the uproar in Australia if an English TV umpire had ruled Khawaja out at Old Trafford ?

Root needs to be more positive here, he doesn't want to get bogged down again. Still, Cook's looking in good touch.

Cook playing perfectly. Root not so yet..

Root gone. A jaffa!

Oh and did i forget to say that Holding seems to have woken up !!

Oh dear. Harris gets the early breakthrough, re-arranging Root's stumps.

Joe gone for just 2 and England 17-1.

Cue England fans hiding behind the sofa, chewing fingernails etc.

Cracking delivery by Harris, Root gone early again.

alfie wrote:Aussies still attacking Root with full bowling...good plan I think. Good to see Root looking to take singles- as a pair I feel he and Cook haven't rotated the strike enough in their few innings together.


Really has only been one serious partnership so far in this match. Feel if England can deliver two partnerships in this innings it might be enough to settle things.  It doesn't seem to be a sudden collapse  sort of pitch , so much as a "you are never really in" type : which is odd , as it doesn't look to be producing many tricks...

Finally they got Root. Superb bowling from Harris. 

Root done like a kipper by Harris !

Great ball  

But I am starting to have serious doubts about Root as opener ...

Superb ball that, not a lot Root could have done, and the pendulum that is this Test match swings once again.

Now then, England under a bit of pressure, and out comes Trott who really needs a score here, both for himself and his country.

superb delivery, but once again you have to question Root's mindset, he just got bogged down too much and eventually if that happens you're going to get out, because you're playing the game on the bowler's terms rather than your own...

Root's poor series continues...

Far too easy for Aus to bog Root down as an opener, an experiment that seems to be failing at this point

alfie wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

alfie wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:I feel Bowden should be brought back in the panel. Lyon was not out he ruled him out, Harris was out not given. Thanks to DRS.

Actually it was Dar who gave Lyon out.

But Hill is in the horrors.  I have some sympathy...he appears to have lost all confidence , and when that happens to you in the middle of a Test Match there is nowhere to hide.

All the DRS stuff can't be helping.

He is probably a better umpire than he is showing right now.  But in his present state he needs a rest.

Agree with you. But still I think ICC should encourage more umpires to be fit in the panel. We have now only four neutral umpires for this series.
Why not they use home umpires at least for TV umpiring?

Well that seems quite sensible.  But can you imagine the uproar in Australia if an English TV umpire had ruled Khawaja out at Old Trafford ?

Ya Agree here. I feel ICC should encourage different countries to do umpiring in other countries First Class Cricket, like Australian or English Umpires doing umpiring in Ranji Trophy and Indian or other countries umpires trying there hand in Sheffield Shield or County.

Lets hope Jonathan is hot to Trott today.

Could also do with KP playing some crisp shots...

...Bell to chime sweetly

...Jonny to "Bairstow" many runs upon the England total...

...I'll get my coat...

Time for Trott and Cook to bore us to death with a 5 hour partnership I feel  

Jaffa of a delivery, wither you have played 5 Tests as an opener or 50 that ball is going to get you far more often than that.

Never the less, Root is going to the Oval under some serious pressure.

alfie wrote:Root done like a kipper by Harris !

Great ball  

But I am starting to have serious doubts about Root as opener ...

Indeed. He does seem better suited as a middle-order player. His one big score came on a relatively benign pitch when the Aussie bowlers didn't look that threatening. Think England should be looking for a new partner for Cook.

Bowler's done him with a beauty

But that replay shows he's not getting far enough forward on the front foot. Something which can be ironed out, and coached, just not really during a series

Major boost for Australia in getting Root before lunch.

In what is now effectively a one innings match, we're going to be (at least) 1 down when we get to 0.

Not good but still a long way to go. An appropriate time for Trott to show his his worth ....

Im now a fully paid up member of the Roots not ready to open club. However Im also in the Comptons not good enough for test cricket club...oh dear.
But Compton will battle away and Root makes more runs than Bairstow at 6 so that's the way to go next test for me.
Has Taylor ever opened ?