Help please.

Hi guys, I am trying to do some research into the revenues earned in totality per country.

To give you an example SARU declared revenue of R 680 million rand for 2012 year. That includes all their revenue streams, but does not include the revenue earned by the Franchises/provinces on their sponsorships, gate takings, merchandising, beverages etc.

Now if you compare Super Rugby attendances in SA for 40 matches there was 1070 000 spectators at the games
In Currie Cup when there were 8 teams our spectators for the season in 59 matches were 936 000 spectators.
The Currie cup last year with 6 teams had 646 000 spectators in 35 matches.

I am trying to work out the viability of our structures.

Can anyone provide me the relevant info on their countries please.

Hey Biltong, have you tried looking at the annual reports? http://www.sarugby.co.za/content.aspx?contentid=12296 might not get you all the info but hopefully a starter.

Thanks little john, but I am more trying to understand how much our revenue is in comparison to other nations.

How does it work in SA. In England the RFU have given control over domestic TV sponsorship to the clubs so it won't appear in their books. Would you add this in or not? Is it complete revenue for the professional game or just the union?

To total revenues for 2011/12 are £116.6M (from RFU annual report). This was a World Cup year which means we miss out on AI (I don't think you have that problem in the South). As of today that's R1774M (more like R1200M in 2012).

The tv rights paid to the Franchises is R142 million of that revenue

The gate takings for the franchises, their sponsorship and merchandising is not included in SARU's revenue

Full report here
http://www.rfu.com/abouttherfu/~/media/files/2012/abouttherfu/rfu_ar12_complete_311012_jr.ashx

WRU 2012 Annual Report
http://www.wru.co.uk/downloads/WRU_ARA_2012.pdf


Total income £63.2M

Edit: This includes TV money for regions

Thanks Hammer.

It does suggest that something is not quite right then.

If SARU earned R680 million and WRU earned 63 Million pounds, then we aren't that far off.

So it is all down to how the expenditure look.

From SARU's side they provide R140 from TV rights to the Franchises which isn't a hell of a lot really. So the franchises must rely on their own ingenuity to earn revenue.

IRFU Annual Report 2012
http://www.irishrugby.ie/downloads/IRFU_Annual_Report-2011-2012.pdf


Total income €67M


Includes Provincial TV money

The WRU give the Regions £15.1M from that which covers TV, sponsorship, players release, etc.

I 'think' the IRFU gave about double that to the Provinces (don't hold me to that.

The RFU give the clubs about £12M for player release and gave them their own TV rights. Current TV deal is worth about £37M a year for the equivalent of Currie Cup and S15

SRU Annual Report 2012
http://scottishrugby.org/sites/default/files/editor/docs/scottish_rugby_annual_report_2012.pdf


Total income £38M including domestic TV rights.


Couldn't work out the split between international and other professional costs.

FFR budget for 2013/2014 is basically around 100M€ (slight loss of 4M€ : 107 costs and 103 revenues). main contributor is marketing and communication (ie sponsorship revenues and probably VIP packages sold to partners) with 50M€. France 6N and test matches only made 21M€ (while costing 12).

found that in a rather amateurish presentation that just confirm my fears about this organisation:
http://www.ffr.fr/var/corporate/storage/original/application/5bce7b0e08356a0176864a2f2e25092d.pdf

the above completely excludes pro clubs (top 14 and proD2).

LNR consolidated results (sum of those 30 pro clubs minus LNR fee) were for 2011/2012 :
350 M€ revenues including 48M€ of TV and other rights, 150M€ sponsorhips and 56M€ of ticket sales etc. overall net loss of 18M€ (link below, very heavy file)
http://www.lnr.fr/IMG/pdf/Rapport_DNACG_2013.pdf

All I know is that the French seem to have far more money than anyone else.

I think the Irish provinces spend more than they take in and are subsidised by the IRFU which makes most of it's money from the 6 Nations, which is the financial engine of rugby here.

Without knowing any figures whatsoever, I've heard it bandied about that the Irish provinces have a similar sized budget to the top English teams. And in terms of wages, around about 450k a year seems to be the absolute highest the IRFU are willing to go for a star player. The French can obviously offer far more, and that's how we just lost Sexton.

Yeah, but the French don't really MAKE more money, they just have private investors that don't care if it costs millions.

The reason why I am trying to work out this revenue streams is to see whether SA can go it alone.

Walk away and cevelop their market and rugby further. We have 10 million households that we can develop.

But I like Super Rugby. And I love cross border competitions in general. Far more interesting. I don't want to see the South Africans turn inward and play by themselves.

It seems to me that more than a few nations are getting very concerned about money in recent years. There is more discord over who should get how much. Is rugby in general in financial difficulty?

If so, the fualt of the French. Driving up wage demands worldwide with their ridiculous spending on multinational fantasy teams. Why don't the IRB introduce some sort of financial fair play rules?

The way I see it, we are losing players left, right and centre, we might as well focus inward and look at how to develop our rugby locally, how to build 12 professional trams and then rather than Super Rugby, have an all stars competition by selecting the four best squads from north, east, central and west.

A 6 week Super comp wirh our top local players.

It seems worse for the South Africa at the moment. But the Welsh are on their way to seeing all their best players go to France. The Irish will be next. Racing Metro, a team that's achieved almost nothing and produced almost nobody have nearly doubled the best offer the IRFU would give Sexton.

The thing is biltong, most of the nations in the IRB would agree with South Africa's concerns over losing players. That's why I'd suggest the IRB trying to get all their nations to some sort of a financial agreement that would allow most of the countries to hold onto most of their best players most of the time.

Maybe it's because I'm a big GAA fan, but I love the idea of teams made up of local players playing for the place they're from and see who's best. I know Ireland has been nicking plenty of South Africans too by the way.

In a free market society the IRB is not going to be able to stop it.

I am also one that wants people to represent their town, city, region, country.

Unfortunately that is something of the past.