BOD resentment for Gatland lingers

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:26 pm

Just seen an article on planetrugby where BOD has admitted that his disappointment with not being selected for the third test naturally carries with it some resentment for Gatland. He was quick to point out that Davies played a good game but feels that he could have equally contributed good things to that performance. http://www.planetrugby.com/lions/story/0,25883,16024_8907321,00.html

Is this a way of increasing ticket sales for the Wales Ireland match? Is this a journalist seeking out a story and BOD simply stating the truth? Is it wrong to make a statement like this now after the good way in which BOD conducted himself before and after the match? Does this resentment go further back than the Lions series to when Gatland was Ireland coach or when he made those comments before the Wales Ireland 6N match about how the Welsh view those games?

I'd like to know your opinion.

by Cyril Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:28 pm

Arrrrggh!

What have you done?

This was starting to calm down again...

by ME-109 Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:31 pm

Heaslip said something similar about his dropping in the Irish Indo today...

by **Rugby Fan** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:32 pm

Thank goodness. At last we have a thread to air this issue. I feel forum members have seen it as a taboo subject and have been bottling up their true feelings for far too long.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:33 pm

When asked a question by journalists a player/coach/manager can elect to say nothing, say the truth or make some PR friendly platitude.

Whichever they do they will be criticised.

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:33 pm

Too much focus on the Lions series Cyril. I think we need to dig deeper if these wounds are truly going to heal.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:34 pm

Agreed. I wonder if Sin e has a view on the matter....

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:35 pm

we lasted one day since the last thread on this topic was blocked.

by butterfingers Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:35 pm

Perfectly natural, BOD wanted the icing on the cherry on the top of the cake which is his career, who wouldn't? Would Martin Johnson have been resentfull had he been selected on the bench in the RWC 2003 final? Would it have made him any less a player?

The truth of the matter though is that Davies was the better player, and BOD was always warming the 13 shirt for Davies until Roberts became fit to reclaim the 12 shirt. There is no place in competitive rugby for sentiment, that said however the lions as an idea is a sentimental item.

If I am being uber critical, BOD played regularly, and to a standard where he probably deserved the nod, Davies however was struggling, or BOD has been struggling to compete on the international stage for 2 seasons, and was extremely lucky to be selected in the first place.

Reality states that somewhere in the middle is the fair answer, BOD got on tour and did his best, he performed admirably, but the better pairing was reunited and vindication of the selection was on Gatlands side.

by Guest Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:36 pm

I'd say it's an honest assessment from a player who was so close to capping off his Lions career with a fantastic victory and Tour win. He's of the perspective his inclusion would have only aided, or at worst been immaterial to, the final result. That's obviously tainted by hindsight, and the fact that BOD is going to be a little biased on the subject of selection over a position that he is challenging for.

It's a little disappointing this has become public, and so soon to the start of the new season, but better now than during the Tour, or even in the lead up to the Wales-Ireland game. I'd suggest it's the same as the Jonathan Davies Twitter article, the player merely responded to the questions put in front of him by the journalist. You know he's said far worse whilst talking of Gatland in confidence. It's difficult to criticise him for it; it's not going to damage any team morale, for neither BOD nor Gatland will be on the next Lions Tour.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:36 pm

"People will say the decision was justified because of the results and the performance, I guess. The way the team played I felt within the 13 jersey that I might have been able to do a decent job within that part of the team the way they played in that game.

"That's absolutely not taking anything away from Jonathan's performance; I thought he was pretty good that day, made some big plays at important times.

"But I guess it comes back to you backing yourself, feeling you too could have done some things that maybe others didn't do on the day."

Sorry Brian, but that is taking away from Jonathan Davies's performances.

My honest opinion is that he should shut up. He's been world-class, his legacy is assured, but it sounds more and more like he's only a team player when he's in the team (if that makes sense).

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:38 pm

Not blocked. Locked for spatial reasons. There's a big difference. The debate was healthy. Bottling this up in side for it to explode on an unrelated thread is in my opinion much more harmful.

by Guest Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:39 pm

His and Heaslip's interview are non stories really. Some will see the timing as a bit off, but BOD's is because it's the first rugby club screened and Heaslip's is due to the release date of Rugby World.

What I will say with regards to Heaslip, is his interview in Rugby World is poorly written in a sense that it seems written with a view to stir things up (which the Irish paper doesn't), because they use lines like "Heaslip was dropped for a player Gatland knew", when in reality the 8 shirt was a close decision for all three tests.

I'm sure Sir Warren will be praying for a card though. Poor Gats.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:40 pm

LP - I think he was referring to stamping, getting yellow carded and throwing loose intercept passes.

Don't think he was taking anything away from JD2......

by **Notch** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:41 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Agreed. I wonder if Sin e has a view on the matter....

Nah, Surely not! Laugh

Is this a surprise, really? Gatland is many things, a good man-manager is not one of them but I doubt even the smoothest tongued coach could drop a senior player on his historic fourth tour for the deciding test match and not urine said player off even just a little bit. Any elite sportsman with the level of self-belief BOD has would feel the same way. Of course he decision at 13 had no real bearing on the way the game went, which is the funniest thing about all of this. Lions would have won that game with Jamie Noon at 13...

It will leave a sour taste that may never quite be removed with regards to Irelands relationship with the Lions though, but it's not productive to keep scratching an open sore.

by Scrumpy Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:41 pm

I'm so glad this has been brought up as I feel we've barely scratched the surface of this important story. Very Happy

by **Notch** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:44 pm

Here's what Heaslip said;

Irish Independent wrote:The fallout from Warren Gatland's decision to field 10 Welshmen in the British & Irish Lions' side for their third Test has continued with Jamie Heaslip opening the lid on his frustrations at missing out on selection.

Heaslip is quoted in the Irish Independentas saying he was "p****d off" after not featuring in the third Test against the Wallabies. Lions boss Gatland turned to the tried and tested and picked 10 Welshmen for the match, a Test the Lions won handsomely 41-16.

Brian O'Driscoll was the main casualty from Gatland's decision to rotate his squad but Heaslip also missed out having played in the first two Tests against the Wallabies. He has admitted he found it difficult seeing the Lions celebrate after watching on from the sidelines.

"I very much felt like a third wheel, to be honest," Heaslip told the Irish Independent. "I'll look back on it one day and say, 'You know what, I played in two out of three of those Tests,' but at the time I didn't want to be there. I remember walking around and I kept my distance from the lads celebrating. I wasn't really getting into any photos or anything like that.

"John Feehan (CEO of the Lions) came over to me and said, 'You gotta smile, you're part of this, it's not just a one-day thing.' I think John was feeling for me a bit and he did his best to pick my spirits up. But it was a very tough moment."

Gatland's decision to drop O'Driscoll provoked widespread outcry with the Kiwi coach saying after their third Test win that he felt the reaction was "vitriolic". And Heaslip has said he was not surprised by the hostile reception that greeted Gatland's selection call.

"When I came home everybody was like, 'Well done on the Lions tour - but isn't it terrible about Brian?' I was like, 'Yeah, I feel for the guy'," Heaslip added. "Brian is on a different level to everybody else in terms of public affection in Ireland. He's like royalty, so I wasn't surprised at the reaction.

"We trained after the squad was announced on the Wednesday morning and that was my last session. I didn't have to go to any meetings. I pulled myself back. The guys not in the 23 withdrew to a degree to allow the lads to focus on what they had to do. We obviously supported the guys but we kept our distance because we needed a little head space too."

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:50 pm

we needed a little head space too

I think they needed more than a little...

by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:52 pm

I don't think there's anything particularly awry in what Heaslip has said.

A little bit sad and sulky that he didn't feel he could celebrate properly or get involved in photos after the series win - quite frankly the decision to drop him for the 3rd Test was entirely correct and justified - but then again when he's talking about "head space" etc. it does bring home the intensity of pressure these guys are under on tour.

I'm sure I'd handle it better..... Whistle

by welshy824 (new) Thu 05 Sep 2013, 2:56 pm

sorry this really annoys me, it wasn't just that 23 in the 3rd test that won the lions series every player who played in one of the tests was a major part of the team and even those who didn't get to play in a test were still vital to that preparation of the team. AND now Heaslip comes out b*tching that he didn't feel like part of the team and acting as if he was the obvious choice at 8, when in fact many people were questioning his involvement in the squad pre selection, I mean he didn't even play particularly well on tour.

BOD is a slightly different matter and comes across in a more mature and dignified manner.

But heaslip, well he can ****(insert any possible number of swear words) off the arrogant ************ (refer to other *)

by slane Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:02 pm

butterfingers wrote:Perfectly natural, BOD wanted the icing on the cherry on the top of the cake which is his career, who wouldn't? Would Martin Johnson have been resentfull had he been selected on the bench in the RWC 2003 final? Would it have made him any less a player?

The truth of the matter though is that Davies was the better player, and BOD was always warming the 13 shirt for Davies until Roberts became fit to reclaim the 12 shirt. There is no place in competitive rugby for sentiment, that said however the lions as an idea is a sentimental item.

If I am being uber critical, BOD played regularly, and to a standard where he probably deserved the nod, Davies however was struggling, or BOD has been struggling to compete on the international stage for 2 seasons, and was extremely lucky to be selected in the first place.

Reality states that somewhere in the middle is the fair answer, BOD got on tour and did his best, he performed admirably, but the better pairing was reunited and vindication of the selection was on Gatlands side.

I couldn't disagree more.

Has anyone here ever known BOD to be egotistical? Yet, here we have a man respected by so many saying here holds resentment (of all things) I mean resentment is a pretty strong word to use esp for someone like Brian O'driscoll. Maybe just maybe there is more to this than meets the eye.

Now I know Welsh fans want to believe Davis was picked because he is the better player and that the Lions won the 3rd test because he played instead of BOD but in reality do we really believe this?? and I think we all know that with the pack Gatland put out that day that a Roberts/BOD combination would have done just as well as the Roberts/Davis combination.

The truth is Gatland had motive (which I am not going to get into here) but I do think anyone reading between the lines can see that now given BOD's response.

just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:06 pm

slane wrote:I think we all know that with the pack Gatland put out that day that a Roberts/BOD combination would have done just as well as the Roberts/Davis combination.

Well actually BOD thinks he would have done better than Jonathan Davies. But you're right, Gatland's a fool for not picking a centre pairing last seen in 2009 for a series-deciding Test match.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:07 pm

slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture

I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.

by **Notch** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:08 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
slane wrote:I think we all know that with the pack Gatland put out that day that a Roberts/BOD combination would have done just as well as the Roberts/Davis combination.
Well actually BOD thinks he would have done better than Jonathan Davies. But you're right, Gatland's a fool for not picking a centre pairing last seen in 2009 for a series-deciding Test match.

I get that you disagree, but obviously I and a lot of people still agree with that... and repeating this tedious nonsense doesn't serve anyone, so what's the point?

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:09 pm

BOD didn't say he would have done better. He said he could've contributed just as many good things and therefore picking Davies over him gained nothing from the team point of view.

by slane Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:13 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.

No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game laughing

better still watch the Lions match's again.

by **Notch** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:17 pm

I think threads like this illustrate the reason a lot of sportsmen are never honest with the media and are bland as anything in public appearances.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:21 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:BOD didn't say he would have done better. He said he could've contributed just as many good things and therefore picking Davies over him gained nothing from the team point of view.

He implies he would have done better.

"I guess it comes back to you backing yourself, feeling you too could have done some things that maybe others didn't do on the day."

That's quibbling with a record Test win.

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:23 pm

They also explain why many champion people who don't hide behind banalities and speak their mind, Notch.

I disagree Luckless. He admits Davies did many good things. But he also thinks he could've done things that Davies didn't do which, therefore, negates the good things Davies did do.

by Guest Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:25 pm

slane wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.
No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game better still watch the Lions match's again.

This head to head argument on one game is a little tiresome. Henson and Shanklin used to shackle BOD a lot when they played. Doesn't mean a great deal, going on one game and forgetting the rest of the games (totally losing his head etc). The lions games, are a matter of opinion and a pointless argument to go over again.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:25 pm

You might be right, Kia. Maybe I've drunk too much tea today.

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:30 pm

Maybe you're right, LP. It just shows one person can think one thing and the other thinks something else and the truth lies somewhere in between. That's why debate is healthy.

by Knowsit17 Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:35 pm

slane wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.
No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game better still watch the Lions match's again.

By the same token watch JD2's last two games against Ireland before this year. I highly doubt you were laughing during either.

And no, I wouldn't go as far as to say JD2 is better than BOD. However disappointment is the price many people involved at this level pay. BOD is not the first to experience it and regardless of legacies, there wasn't much between his and Davies' form going into and throughout the tour. Plenty of worse calls have been made and will continue to be.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:40 pm

slane wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.
No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game better still watch the Lions match's again.

What did the Shane Williams analogy and the reference to it being "his last and only chance to win a Lions series" have to do with anything then, if not introduce sentiment into the debate??

Clearly the actual "rugby decision" between the two players was a close one. Both had played pretty well on the tour, both had mixed bags in the 6 Nations. Most Irish fans think BOD was in better form, most Welsh fans think JD2 was in better form, and most neutrals like myself seem to be able to see a fairly close call which could have gone either way.

That it was BOD's "last chance" is irrelevant to me. That's a sentimental reason. Ultimately Gatland picked JD2 and JD2 played well. We'll never know if BOD would have been better or worse.

The things that get on my nerves are (a) the completely over the top reaction to the decision, as if some grave injustice had been committed, (b) players moaning about feeling "left out", and (c) silly suggestions about Gatland's "secret motives" etc etc., as if it were inconceivable to suggest that he felt Roberts and JD2 could be a better partnership.

He did, let's not forget, select BOD for the first two Tests.

by **Biltong** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:45 pm

I wonder if Gatland was the Irish coach, if there would have been unhappiness from these players then?

Or at least would it have been aired in public?

Aren't there any welsh players upset because they didn't get selected? Granted there weren't many spots open, but still.

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:46 pm

mr cuthbert should be annoyed biltong

by **Biltong** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:49 pm

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:mr cuthbert should be annoyed biltong

GET HIM ON THE LINE!

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:50 pm

Ryan Grant must be a boiler about to explode. There was sentiment there because he could've been the token Scot. Whistle

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:50 pm

Biltong wrote:
GoodinTightSpaces wrote:mr cuthbert should be annoyed biltong
GET HIM ON THE LINE!

should i ask him a leading question about how George North started ahead of him????

by slane Thu 05 Sep 2013, 3:56 pm

Knowsit17 wrote:
slane wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.
No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game better still watch the Lions match's again.
By the same token watch JD2's last two games against Ireland before this year. I highly doubt you were laughing during either.

And no, I wouldn't go as far as to say JD2 is better than BOD. However disappointment is the price many people involved at this level pay. BOD is not the first to experience it and regardless of legacies, there wasn't much between his and Davies' form going into and throughout the tour. Plenty of worse calls have been made and will continue to be.

Well I would do but in 2011 6 nations match Davis played 12 and it was in fact Roberts that played 13. Also, BOD scored the first try that day laughing

(not to mention needing to using the wrong ball for a quick lineout)

Then in the 2012 6 nations match BOD never played.

by Scrumpy Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:01 pm

I think BOD should just come out and say what he thinks of Gatland, lets face it we all know his a Kumquat!

by MarcusHalberstram Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:01 pm

What a shame neither Davies nor BOD are playing in Scarlets v Leinster tomorrow evening!

You'd think BOD and Heaslip would be a little more philosophical by now - especially given how well Faletau and JD2 played on the day. I can't believe this is still going on in the media - just an attempt to add a bit of spice to the new season, I suppose!

by Knowsit17 Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:02 pm

slane wrote:
Knowsit17 wrote:
slane wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
slane wrote:just imagine the Lions coach was Kidney and it was Shane Williams last and only chance to win a Lions series and Zebo got picked over him, how do you think Shane would you feel? You get the picture
I don't get the picture.

I'm sure he would feel disappointed, but you'd like to think that he, and his fans, could accept the decision assuming it was a close call and the selection of Zebo could be justified.

You are assuming that sentiment has a place in rugby.
No, what I am doing is trying to let people see it from BOD's perspective. I understand that Gatland sees things from a strategic point of view but if you think Davis is better than BOD go and watch Ireland vs Wales 2013 6 nations game better still watch the Lions match's again.
By the same token watch JD2's last two games against Ireland before this year. I highly doubt you were laughing during either.

And no, I wouldn't go as far as to say JD2 is better than BOD. However disappointment is the price many people involved at this level pay. BOD is not the first to experience it and regardless of legacies, there wasn't much between his and Davies' form going into and throughout the tour. Plenty of worse calls have been made and will continue to be.
Well I would do but in 2011 6 nations match Davis played 12 and it was in fact Roberts that played 13. Also, BOD scored the first try that day (not to mention needing to using the wrong ball for a quick lineout)

Then in the 2012 6 nations match BOD never played.

That's not the last 2 games. Convenient how you completely ignore the WC game (Gatland again to blame for ruining what was meant to be BOD's fairytale WC Very Happy

). I said last two games before this year, not last two 6N games before this year

by Jenifer McLadyboy Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:06 pm

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/The_Pat_Kenny_Show/The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Highlights/31802/0/brian_odriscoll_talks_life_after_rugby_with_pat_kenny

Not wanting to get involved in this debate, but have a listen to the man himself.

Interview (for those of you outside Ireland) is with a guy who, having spent 40 years or so with the national broadcaster, has jumped ship to commercial news radio.

by Cardiff Taffy Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:15 pm

Sick of hearing the Irish players moan about this. Gatland was Head Coach and he made a Head Coach's decision, it was a big call, a tough call but he made it. That was his job and it's disrespectful to hear Wood, BOD or anyone else continually question it.

Get over it. You're a legendary player and will always be remembered as so. Does it really matter that you were dropped for one game?

by Scrumpy Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:21 pm

zzzzz

by **Notch** Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:29 pm

BOD on Twitter;

"Frustrating when things are quoted & lifted out of context for headlines. Simply a personal disappointment I can't escape in interviews."

Have to agree this is a storm in a tea cup. There'd be something wrong if he wasn't gutted over it.

by Guest Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:37 pm

Notch wrote:BOD on Twitter;

"Frustrating when things are quoted & lifted out of context for headlines. Simply a personal disappointment I can't escape in interviews."

Have to agree this is a storm in a tea cup. There'd be something wrong if he wasn't gutted over it.

It's much the same as Heaslip (like I said) with how Rugby World wrote parts of it. Just trying to grab readers/viewers.

by fa0019 Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:39 pm

Its probably that attitude which made him the great player in the first place.

I'd be worried if he genuinely felt fine about the whole thing.

Ask Cuthbert if he resents Gatland for dropping him after the first test.... in public he'd never say a word against him as he's his current coach at Wales... come his tell all end of career book you can be certain he will have similar feelings to BOD.

Its natural.

by flyhalffactory Thu 05 Sep 2013, 4:59 pm

Notch wrote:BOD on Twitter;

"Frustrating when things are quoted & lifted out of context for headlines. Simply a personal disappointment I can't escape in interviews."

Have to agree this is a storm in a tea cup. There'd be something wrong if he wasn't gutted over it.

Notch is spot on

BOD is one of the best every sports person, he didn't get where he is today by not being competitive, so of course he was going to be disappointed as there was a thin line on that selection.

Quiet time in the rugby union sports pages so lets rake up some old news...... another example of lazy journalism

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