BOD resentment for Gatland lingers

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Just seen an article on planetrugby where BOD has admitted that his disappointment with not being selected for the third test naturally carries with it some resentment for Gatland. He was quick to point out that Davies played a good game but feels that he could have equally contributed good things to that performance. http://www.planetrugby.com/lions/story/0,25883,16024_8907321,00.html

Is this a way of increasing ticket sales for the Wales Ireland match? Is this a journalist seeking out a story and BOD simply stating the truth? Is it wrong to make a statement like this now after the good way in which BOD conducted himself before and after the match? Does this resentment go further back than the Lions series to when Gatland was Ireland coach or when he made those comments before the Wales Ireland 6N match about how the Welsh view those games?

I'd like to know your opinion.

That's a Welsh band flyhalf and they got threats on Twitter when they wrote that song...

I can't believe you've posted Stereophonics lyrics. Ugh.

Please lock the thread!

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:That's a Welsh band flyhalf and they got threats on Twitter when they wrote that song...

crikey I thought it was this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skApHVxkgAo

Cyril wrote:I can't believe you've posted Stereophonics lyrics. Ugh.

Please lock the thread!

Its about Journalists per se Cyril.........

flyhalffactory wrote:

Cyril wrote:I can't believe you've posted Stereophonics lyrics. Ugh.

Please lock the thread!

Its about Journalists per se Cyril.........

Yeah, but it's Stereophonics laddie! They should never be quoted. Ever.

Painful.

Player upset at getting dropped shock! A non article IMO

The guy has a bit of an attitude problem. We've seen it in the past. It manifests itself as a sort of festering resentment where he can't let things go.

 

GloriousEmpire wrote:The guy has a bit of an attitude problem. We've seen it in the past. It manifests itself as a sort of festering resentment where he can't let things go.

On a different subject entirely, is Wayne Barnes back on your Christmas card list yet?

Lets keep on topic and not derail the thread with tangential lines of comversation.

I cannot wait for the season to start tomorrow, at least then we can all talk about rugby again.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Lets keep on topic and not derail the thread with tangential lines of comversation.

It's not really off-topic. We've been discussing how resentment over perceived slights can affect statements in the press and postings in social media.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:"People will say the decision was justified because of the results and the performance, I guess. The way the team played I felt within the 13 jersey that I might have been able to do a decent job within that part of the team the way they played in that game.

"That's absolutely not taking anything away from Jonathan's performance; I thought he was pretty good that day, made some big plays at important times.

"But I guess it comes back to you backing yourself, feeling you too could have done some things that maybe others didn't do on the day."

Sorry Brian, but that is taking away from Jonathan Davies's performances.

My honest opinion is that he should shut up. He's been world-class, his legacy is assured, but it sounds more and more like he's only a team player when he's in the team (if that makes sense).

Given that he was roundly praised for the way he responded and the support he gave the team plus the fact that he didn't say anything until a month after the team in question went out of existence I'd say you should take your own advice.

It would look less bitter if the lions had not won so convincingly without him.

Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Does anyone know if he prefers being referred to as 'BOD' or 'Drico/Dricko'?

Wasn't it Gatland that gave O'Driscoll his chance on the international stage? If it wasn't for Gatland, O'Driscoll may never have been 'like royalty' at all. Talk about ungrateful.

kia, I did warn you this wouldn't end well

Griff wrote:Wasn't it Gatland that gave O'Driscoll his chance on the international stage? If it wasn't for Gatland, O'Driscoll may never have been 'like royalty' at all. Talk about ungrateful.

Lol yeah what a talent spotter Gatland is,no other coach would ever have seen something in O'Driscoll.  

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Griff wrote:Wasn't it Gatland that gave O'Driscoll his chance on the international stage? If it wasn't for Gatland, O'Driscoll may never have been 'like royalty' at all. Talk about ungrateful.

Lol yeah what a talent spotter Gatland is,no other coach would ever have seen something in O'Driscoll.  

Yep, Gats surely was some kind of modern day Nostradamus to recognise the latent talent of O'Driscoll.

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Look this is not a WUM............... but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad

Only 10 messages into you time on here and you are already sick of the Welsh...... low tolerance threshold methinks

Crikey I wouldn't like to be around, when you do decide to really wind up our leek waving cousins

Casartelli wrote:Does anyone know if he prefers being referred to as 'BOD' or 'Drico/Dricko'?

Try Brian the next time you meet him.

flyhalffactory wrote:Only 10 messages into you time on here and you are already sick of the Welsh...... low tolerance threshold methinks

To be fair I think 10 messages makes him quite a patient chap

Fyhalffactory is a Scottish poster, isn't he?  

Griff wrote:Fyhalffactory is a Scottish poster, isn't he?  

Yeah, but he's a Welsh sympathiser.

Like alanmackie/emack2 is a Kiwi wannabe

flyhalffactory wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Look this is not a WUM............... but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad

Only 10 messages into you time on here and you are already sick of the Welsh...... low tolerance threshold methinks

Crikey I wouldn't like to be around, when you do decide to really wind up our leek waving cousins

The poster who used those phrases is not welsh i believe, so I'm not entirely sure how after 10 posts you formed that opinion...this sight is a friendly and inclusive place where we all get along despite our differing opinions. Advice to a new poster is to check your facts first and then respond with courtesy to fellow posters,
Attack the point being made, not a poster or their nationality...or you will have a short career here.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:"People will say the decision was justified because of the results and the performance, I guess. The way the team played I felt within the 13 jersey that I might have been able to do a decent job within that part of the team the way they played in that game.

"That's absolutely not taking anything away from Jonathan's performance; I thought he was pretty good that day, made some big plays at important times.

"But I guess it comes back to you backing yourself, feeling you too could have done some things that maybe others didn't do on the day."

Sorry Brian, but that is taking away from Jonathan Davies's performances.

My honest opinion is that he should shut up. He's been world-class, his legacy is assured, but it sounds more and more like he's only a team player when he's in the team (if that makes sense).

Given that he was roundly praised for the way he responded and the support he gave the team plus the fact that he didn't say anything until a month after the team in question went out of existence I'd say you should take your own advice.

I've already explained myself. I was on a tea high at work and accept I shouldn't have said anything.

Roll on the new season tomorrow when we can all argue about newer things.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Look this is not a WUM............... but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad

Only 10 messages into you time on here and you are already sick of the Welsh...... low tolerance threshold methinks

Crikey I wouldn't like to be around, when you do decide to really wind up our leek waving cousins

The poster who used those phrases is not welsh i believe, so I'm not entirely sure how after 10 posts you formed that opinion...this sight is a friendly and inclusive place where we all get along despite our differing opinions. Advice to a new poster is to check your facts first and then respond with courtesy to fellow posters,
Attack the point being made, not a poster or their nationality...or you will have a short career here.

Or you could always get a new account, eh  ?

'Sight'

I'd never accuse a fellow poster of returning to the sight. I say this only in a friendly way. In order to preserve the feeling of comaraderie on the sight.

Out of site man!

Quight rite!

Shure enuff!

Cyril wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:Only 10 messages into you time on here and you are already sick of the Welsh...... low tolerance threshold methinks

To be fair I think 10 messages makes him quite a patient chap

 

10 posts in, already knows what WUM means, chip on shoulder as regards a specific constituent set of posters.. I wouldn't go so far as to assume the fellow is as recent an arrival as his profile suggests  

You suspicious fellow!

As soon as somebody starts a post with "this is not a WUM", there's only one thing going to follow  

BOD's not bitter, just a little misguided. You'd think a man with his experience would be a bit more media savvy. Still, as long as honesty is the ticket, I look forward to Sir Warren's next outburst in the Ireland build up next year.

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Well I'm not Welsh and I'm just as sick of anyone saying it was the wrong selection. Gats made a choice that he thought would help the Lions win the series. Stuff those who thought BOD would have gone better. Cry all the way into next century. Fact is BOD wouldnt have gone better- at least its as factual as those cry babies who thought he might. If BODs going to say anything about the side...how about well done Gats, well done Lions. End of. Bitterness is a sad way to end a fabulous career. And looking at BODs form both in this series and vs the ABs last year...that doesnt look to far away. He did nothing to help win either series and funnily enough only in his absence di one actually get won. Game over.

Risca Rev wrote:As soon as somebody starts a post with "this is not a WUM", there's only one thing going to follow  

BOD's not bitter, just a little misguided. You'd think a man with his experience would be a bit more media savvy. Still, as long as honesty is the ticket, I look forward to Sir Warren's next outburst in the Ireland build up next year.

Not sure BOD did anything except give honest answers to how he felt. Possibly a bit naive given the headlines. On the other hand JfoxD went and bleated all over the place about some nasty ickle online folk and how uncle mike had to comfort him

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:"People will say the decision was justified because of the results and the performance, I guess. The way the team played I felt within the 13 jersey that I might have been able to do a decent job within that part of the team the way they played in that game.

"That's absolutely not taking anything away from Jonathan's performance; I thought he was pretty good that day, made some big plays at important times.

"But I guess it comes back to you backing yourself, feeling you too could have done some things that maybe others didn't do on the day."

Sorry Brian, but that is taking away from Jonathan Davies's performances.

My honest opinion is that he should shut up. He's been world-class, his legacy is assured, but it sounds more and more like he's only a team player when he's in the team (if that makes sense).

To be completely honest, he's probably thinking the same thing as each and every player that's been in his position.

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Slane this is a very endearing way to introduce yourself to the forum.

Diplomacy will get you a lot further mate.  

Taylorman wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Well I'm not Welsh and I'm just as sick of anyone saying it was the wrong selection. Gats made a choice that he thought would help the Lions win the series. Stuff those who thought BOD would have gone better. Cry all the way into next century. Fact is BOD wouldnt have gone better- at least its as factual as those cry babies who thought he might. If BODs going to say anything about the side...how about well done Gats, well done Lions. End of. Bitterness is a sad way to end a fabulous career. And looking at BODs form both in this series and vs the ABs last year...that doesnt look to far away. He did nothing to help win either series and funnily enough only in his absence di one actually get won.   Game over.

Jeez all we need next is how BOD engineered two ABs to try to break his neck

Griff wrote:Wasn't it Gatland that gave O'Driscoll his chance on the international stage? If it wasn't for Gatland, O'Driscoll may never have been 'like royalty' at all. Talk about ungrateful.

lol, yes BOD owes his whole career to Gatland.

Is #GameOver the new #Fact?

I'm just glad we've got another article to cover everything the previous 20-page one didn't manage.

If anything, the whole Gats/BOD incident has brought out a lot of NZ love for Gats which we weren't hitherto aware of. It's got to be a good thing

Taylorman wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Well I'm not Welsh and I'm just as sick of anyone saying it was the wrong selection. Gats made a choice that he thought would help the Lions win the series. Stuff those who thought BOD would have gone better. Cry all the way into next century. Fact is BOD wouldnt have gone better- at least its as factual as those cry babies who thought he might. If BODs going to say anything about the side...how about well done Gats, well done Lions. End of. Bitterness is a sad way to end a fabulous career. And looking at BODs form both in this series and vs the ABs last year...that doesnt look to far away. He did nothing to help win either series and funnily enough only in his absence di one actually get won.   Game over.

Do you not sense the irony when you talk about bitterness here? What is your obsession with O'Driscoll these days? You have done nothing but criticise the guy since the Lions tour. BOD (and many other people including myself) thought he was the better player between himself and Davies (while some disagree) and he was disappointed to be dropped on his last ever game for the Lions tour. Davies missed something like 4 tackles and was exposed for a crucial try, while BOD was solid. Neither did a whole lot in attack, but there was your options. Gatland went with Davies.

The Lions win, Davies has a good game. Yet BOD is still disappointed naturally, missing out on his final Lions game and knowing he could also have shared in the victory on the field. Does that make him a bad person? For feeling disappointed? No. However it is just as bad for you to make out that BOD being dropped was the cause of the win, as it is for those "cry babies" you complain about. I highly doubt the selection of the 13 had a huge bearing on the game. Both were good options.

The guy gives an honest interview about his disappointment and people criticise him for it. Seriously, some people really need to get off their high horse. I would love to have seen the reaction if the tables were turned.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Well I'm not Welsh and I'm just as sick of anyone saying it was the wrong selection. Gats made a choice that he thought would help the Lions win the series. Stuff those who thought BOD would have gone better. Cry all the way into next century. Fact is BOD wouldnt have gone better- at least its as factual as those cry babies who thought he might. If BODs going to say anything about the side...how about well done Gats, well done Lions. End of. Bitterness is a sad way to end a fabulous career. And looking at BODs form both in this series and vs the ABs last year...that doesnt look to far away. He did nothing to help win either series and funnily enough only in his absence di one actually get won.   Game over.

Do you not sense the irony when you talk about bitterness here?  What is your obsession with O'Driscoll these days?  You have done nothing but criticise the guy since the Lions tour.  BOD (and many other people including myself) thought he was the better player between himself and Davies (while some disagree) and he was disappointed to be dropped on his last ever game for the Lions tour.  Davies missed something like 4 tackles and was exposed for a crucial try, while BOD was solid.  Neither did a whole lot in attack, but there was your options.  Gatland went with Davies.

The Lions win, Davies has a good game.  Yet BOD is still disappointed naturally, missing out on his final Lions game and knowing he could also have shared in the victory on the field.  Does that make him a bad person?  For feeling disappointed?  No.  However it is just as bad for you to make out that BOD being dropped was the cause of the win, as it is for those "cry babies" you complain about.  I highly doubt the selection of the 13 had a huge bearing on the game.  Both were good options.

The guy gives an honest interview about his disappointment and people criticise him for it.  Seriously, some people really need to get off their high horse.  I would love to have seen the reaction if the tables were turned.

Therein lies the problem. Negativity towards BOD doesn't arise directly as a result of this interview. Rather it is in response to the closed-mindedness and utter lack of class of a great deal of his die-hard supporters. The comment quoted by Taylorman is a pathetic and underhanded response tenuously linked to the topic at hand. Same applies to the comment somewhere above criticising Davies for "bleating" about the online hate he received, which is disgraceful and irrelevant. You'll find that throughout this extended Lions fallout, criticism of BOD has often followed silly comments of that nature which really does the man himself an injustice as it inclines some to associate him with the clowns posting them.

After 2017 the deal with the SANZAR nations expires.

Maybe the end of the Lions as we know it.

Maybe a good thing.

It was only a couple days ago that the Irish en masse were telling us that JD shouldn't have mentioned his twitter abuse and death threats. I mean come on, a guy shouldn't speak out about being threatened after his coach makes the right decision in selecting him should he........ So surely right now they'd be telling BOD to keep his fat gob shut... Oh no wait they aren't. Oh the irony! High horses all around for the green-eye brigade as usual.

Im sure! no way!
He was like freaking me out...
He called me a beastie...
That's cuz like he was totally blitzed
He goes like bag your face!
Im sure!

Knowsit17 wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

slane wrote:Look this is not a WUM but I’m actually sick of the self absorbed Welsh posters on this site. I actually find it kind of pathetic that BOD is and has been targeted with comments like he’s “bitter” and he has an “attitude” problem” all because he disagreed with Gatlands but I suppose I can understand with the Welsh Rugby team being your only sense of national pride, sad.

Well I'm not Welsh and I'm just as sick of anyone saying it was the wrong selection. Gats made a choice that he thought would help the Lions win the series. Stuff those who thought BOD would have gone better. Cry all the way into next century. Fact is BOD wouldnt have gone better- at least its as factual as those cry babies who thought he might. If BODs going to say anything about the side...how about well done Gats, well done Lions. End of. Bitterness is a sad way to end a fabulous career. And looking at BODs form both in this series and vs the ABs last year...that doesnt look to far away. He did nothing to help win either series and funnily enough only in his absence di one actually get won.   Game over.

Do you not sense the irony when you talk about bitterness here?  What is your obsession with O'Driscoll these days?  You have done nothing but criticise the guy since the Lions tour.  BOD (and many other people including myself) thought he was the better player between himself and Davies (while some disagree) and he was disappointed to be dropped on his last ever game for the Lions tour.  Davies missed something like 4 tackles and was exposed for a crucial try, while BOD was solid.  Neither did a whole lot in attack, but there was your options.  Gatland went with Davies.

The Lions win, Davies has a good game.  Yet BOD is still disappointed naturally, missing out on his final Lions game and knowing he could also have shared in the victory on the field.  Does that make him a bad person?  For feeling disappointed?  No.  However it is just as bad for you to make out that BOD being dropped was the cause of the win, as it is for those "cry babies" you complain about.  I highly doubt the selection of the 13 had a huge bearing on the game.  Both were good options.

The guy gives an honest interview about his disappointment and people criticise him for it.  Seriously, some people really need to get off their high horse.  I would love to have seen the reaction if the tables were turned.

Therein lies the problem. Negativity towards BOD doesn't arise directly as a result of this interview. Rather it is in response to the closed-mindedness and utter lack of class of a great deal of his die-hard supporters. The comment quoted by Taylorman is a pathetic and underhanded response tenuously linked to the topic at hand. Same applies to the comment somewhere above criticising Davies for "bleating" about the online hate he received, which is disgraceful and irrelevant. You'll find that throughout this extended Lions fallout, criticism of BOD has often followed silly comments of that nature which really does the man himself an injustice as it inclines some to associate him with the clowns posting them.

Ah yes...the classic passive aggressive response in addition to the mealy mouthed comments. BOD was right but in reality was misguided/naïve and shouldn't have said anything. Poor JD was incorrectly vilified by the big nasty BOD supporters for coming across like Shane Williams around the time of the Marcus Horan incident. The sWelsh supporters are great. Their ability to put forward the holier than thou attitude is without comparison.  
 
Needless national insult removed

Just what the thread was missing, old Sainty to inject his brand of logic and non inflammatory posting

The Saint wrote:It was only a couple days ago that the Irish en masse were telling us that JD shouldn't have mentioned his twitter abuse and death threats. I mean come on, a guy shouldn't speak out about being threatened after his coach makes the right decision in selecting him should he........ So surely right now they'd be telling BOD to keep his fat gob shut... Oh no wait they aren't. Oh the irony! High horses all around for the green-eye brigade as usual.

You are the least original WUM on this place. Just tedious really. At least the others can be funny.