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Great game, first I've seen this weekend that hasn't been drenched in rain.

2ns half just started and all close as the last match, NZ v Arg.

Can't see Australia beating Argentina either.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Can't see Australia beating Argentina either.

The team look disjointed, they lack the initiative and confidence that a more settled team has. but that said I do think this Aussie team will improve through the championship and there is a high skill set in this team, certainly in the backs. If they can get that all clicking well then they could be a half decent team.

Their rivals are a lot further down the road than the Wallabies.

I do agree though, Argentina could well place higher than Oz at the end of the RC.

Cooper added nothing. Folau suffers from league transference syndrome, too often isolated. The Aussie pack is too mobile and simply aren't up to international standard at set piece: scrum is a shambles, line out is a shambles. There is no leadership. Midfield is weak. Players have been moved around to much. There are no systems or set plays. It looks like Australia are scrambling as a bunch of individuals right from kick off.

Not seen an Aus side this poor since 2003.

Not seen an Aus side this poor since 2003.

Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

It all begins up front, which you would imagine that someone with McKenzie's background would know better than anyone. Once in a lifetime, someone like Pocock will win you a game against the run of play, practically off his own bat, but you wouldn't want to rely on it as a competitive strategy. Until Australia get half a dozen "hairy-arsed forwards", in the immortal words of John Perkins, they can mess around with combinations in the backs to their heart's content, but they're going to take some awful drubbings.

No pack still equals no consistent winning platform at the highest level. On a slightly related note, can we start being quite optimistic about these new scrum laws? It does actually look as though a gnarled and weighty front five is once again going to matter a bit in Test matches. Thank God for that.

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

I dont think these last three results put any perspective on the Lions tour at all. This Oz team are not playing as well now as thy did against the Lions by some distance. There set Piece was certainly a lot stronger vs the lions, there breakdown work and defence too.

As GE states in his list of Wallaby rugby failings above it is teamwork and cohesion that they mostly lack.

They can pull themselves together, they wont be a soft touch for long.

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

agreed also puts Irelands greatest ever international achievement of beating Aus in 2011 world cup.

International board has yet another new wum. Glad I come here rarely.

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

Agree completely.

Cyril wrote:

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

Agree completely.

But you would have to agree, you have no opinion or sentiment to add to any thread or discussion of your own.
You don't actively support any team ,you have not even played the game.
So i expect nothing more than a coat tail comment from you Cyril, you never fail to deliver beyond mediocrity.

So nice one  on that comment Cyril it must have took some real grey matter to muster it up.

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

Agree completely.

But you would have to agree, you have no opinion or sentiment to add to any thread or discussion of your own.
You don't actively support any team ,you have not even played the game.
So i expect nothing more than a coat tail comment from you Cyril, you never fail to deliver beyond mediocrity.

So nice one  on that comment Cyril it must have took some real grey matter to muster it up.

Yawn, hello Brett.

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

Cyril wrote:

Notch wrote:Lions win being put in perspective... Argentina vs Australia promises to be very, very interesting.

Agree completely.

But you would have to agree, you have no opinion or sentiment to add to any thread or discussion of your own.
You don't actively support any team ,you have not even played the game.
So i expect nothing more than a coat tail comment from you Cyril, you never fail to deliver beyond mediocrity.

So nice one  on that comment Cyril it must have took some real grey matter to muster it up.

Such wit! You must be the life of the party anywhere you go.

Shh now Cyril grown ups talking.

Also will have to bring to attention to the Mods that your breaking house rules by using other posters real names.

captain carrantuohil wrote:It all begins up front, which you would imagine that someone with McKenzie's background would know better than anyone. Once in a lifetime, someone like Pocock will win you a game against the run of play, practically off his own bat, but you wouldn't want to rely on it as a competitive strategy. Until Australia get half a dozen "hairy-arsed forwards", in the immortal words of John Perkins, they can mess around with combinations in the backs to their heart's content, but they're going to take some awful drubbings.

No pack still equals no consistent winning platform at the highest level. On a slightly related note, can we start being quite optimistic about these new scrum laws? It does actually look as though a gnarled and weighty front five is once again going to matter a bit in Test matches. Thank God for that.

there usual tactic is simply change the rules so it suites their style more  

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Shh now Cyril grown ups talking.

Also will have to bring to attention to the Mods that your breaking house rules by using other posters real names.

You posted your name and Facebook page on this site mate!

it was on the old bbc 606 before it closed actually, not on this site.

Agree about the lions series. Looks like just about any of the top 4-5 teams should be able to put 30 past the wallabies at the moment.

Don't know if we can say that the Australians were playing so much better during the Lions series, either. At least now the Wallabies actually have a stand-off with the number ten on his back, rather than a transplanted wing/full-back. Much good it's doing them. Against the Lions in the third Test, the All Blacks and the Boks alike, Australia have been crucified at the contact point, whether in the tight or the loose.

Any side can have a run of losses through injury or indifferent form. What should concern McKenzie and co is that the Wallabies are getting buried, rather than losing through slight errors or the bounce of a ball here and there. Beale and Pocock aside, I don't see what there is out there for Australia that's substantially better than what they have on the park at the moment. In terms of strength in depth, I'd have to agree that this is the lowest ebb for Oz since the embarrassing tour of Britain in '76.

Higginbotham is Oz's biggest loss, Beale when hes on form. Oz look dour and Ewen Macs career has started as bad as it possibly can. When they analyse this match theyll find so many holes in this side they wont know where to begin. They were awful...

GloriousEmpire wrote:Agree about the lions series. Looks like just about any of the top 4-5 teams should be able to put 30 past the wallabies at the moment.

Agree, it sort of takes the shine of the whole 'Gatland master-minded a great victory' BS. A good coach but the Lions victory? No great shakes.

Can anyone suggest an Oz pack with enough power to compete? What about:

1. Kepu
2. Moore
3. Alexander
4. Douglas
5.Timani
6.?
7. Pocock
8. Higginbotham

Man, it really is a struggle. Where are the ball-carriers?

agree...its all looking bad...they just dont have the players. I think the backplay has suffered further under Ewen mac though. Theyre all at sea, not working together.

Taylorman wrote:agree...its all looking bad...they just dont have the players. I think the backplay has suffered further under Ewen mac though. Theyre all at sea, not working together.

The pack are who are all at sea and I think that is a real problem as mentioned above. The backline will click better when not constantly on the back foot..!

It's a sad thing to say but the Lions got so lucky playing the Aussies this year.

Cyril wrote:It's a sad thing to say but the Lions got so lucky playing the Aussies this year.

+1.

The Lions against Aus has normally been a non-entity its like ganging up on the weak SH boy.

You have to hope it's short term. The world needs a competitive Australian side. The sports not big enough to see them collapse. I suspect the underlying problem is actually structural and at the junior level. They haven't produced a really competitive junior team for a while and I suspect part of it may be competition with league and Aussie rules.

Well that was a beating and a half, not like we're not used to it this year though. Well played to the Boks, they still had to win it and they did that convincingly.

Not much good to say about this game, or the last few really, but there're 3 more games to play in the RC, still time for us to get it together a bit and tune up for the autumn tour.

Come on guys, don't give up yet. I think there will be better games soon, give the new coach a chance and let's review it end of the RC. the 3 sides we have lost to weren't bad sides.

Well said OzT

It was always going to be hard going into such a tough start in the RC with a new coach. despite assisting McQueen and Jones ten tears ago he is inexperienced to coaching International rugby.

He made some pretty drastic changes to Dingos team and those changes gaveng clicked yet.

Things are sure to start working for him soon. He is a good coach and has proved that with the Tah's and Reds

The one thing he has done is not matched Deans ability to keep the Boks out. If one thing Deans tenure did is that. Perhaps he's just got nothing to work with but sgree something needs to happen and soon. Not a nice pos to be in...

Taylorman wrote:The one thing he has done is not matched Deans ability to keep the Boks out. If one thing Deans tenure did is that. Perhaps he's just got nothing to work with but sgree something needs to happen and soon. Not a nice pos to be in...

These things take time. He is a very different coach to Deans and his systems will take time to come to fruition. He could have an easier start than playing the two best teams in the international game.

I am sure that by the NH tour this Autumn Australia will have a few decent performances under their belt and will be looking more dangerous this time next year.

What result the game at home is having on their national effort will take time to show itself. But there is little that can be done there quickly to have an instant impact.

Taylorman wrote:The one thing he has done is not matched Deans ability to keep the Boks out. If one thing Deans tenure did is that. Perhaps he's just got nothing to work with but sgree something needs to happen and soon. Not a nice pos to be in...

you cannot give Deans all the credit for that.

There were two games we were extremely unlucky with, Highveld 2010, We are in the lead, we have possession, and the plonker of a referee decides we are bridging in the final minute and Beale kicks a goal, and then the RWC game.

then there is PDV who after 2009 managed only one win in the Tri Nations match. He had no clue after the law changes and lost near 50% of his matches against everyone, not only OZ and NZ.

McKenzie has come into a poor team- or as poor a team as Australia will realistically be- and he's had to make changes which will take time to come to fruition.

What I'm more interested in is what the spirit is like in the Aussie camp- previously there was talk of guys like Quade Cooper and James O'Connor being disruptive in the dressing room, no? Can/has McKenzie brought everyone together? Will he cut guys who are disruptive?

The game I really can't wait for is Australia away to Argentina. Lose that, and a fourth place finish may well be on the cards. Los Pumas will sense blood. I'm actually more excited about that than the title deciding clashes between the All Blacks and the Boks.

Hahaha, Bakies Botha's take on why South Africa dominated the Wallabies yesterday! https://twitter.com/bakkiesbotha4/status/376588960828780544  

probably an element of truth in that Glove.

Got to love bakkies, got to worry for anyone who dates his daughter looking at the array of weapons he poses with on his twitter account.

Pre match I heard people saying that Bismarck was over rated and that Stephen Moore was an overall better player.

Even Moore's parents would have struggled with that belief post match.

Bismarck is the ultimate dog of war. I read a couple of weeks ago that Naka Drotkse said that Strauss was a shoe in for the bok captaincy. Thanks for that Naka... Bismarck needed an a reason to show the world why he's peerless.

GLove39 wrote:Hahaha, Bakies Botha's take on why South Africa dominated the Wallabies yesterday! https://twitter.com/bakkiesbotha4/status/376588960828780544  

I'd love to go to a South African BBQ. I'd also love Bakkies to make me breakfast.

The Saint wrote:

GLove39 wrote:Hahaha, Bakies Botha's take on why South Africa dominated the Wallabies yesterday! https://twitter.com/bakkiesbotha4/status/376588960828780544  

I'd love to go to a South African BBQ. I'd also love Bakkies to make me breakfast.

If you come to my house this is what we will serve you at a braai.

Firstly the meat.

One inch thick Lambchops and one inch thick Rump Steaks. They will be done medium, if your request is medium to rear that will also be done, only 4 condoments for the meat, salt, pepper, lemon juice and mixed braai spice.

There will be Boerewors.

Then Stywe pap. (Corn meal cooked so that it is nice and firm, almost to a paydough consistency, with a tomato r
And onion relish fir for a king. (I am widely known for my delicious tomato relish)

Paptert. (Same corn meal, but filled with Mushrooms, Sweetcorn, Bacon, Onions and cheese, baked in the oven)

Sometimes we substitute the oaotert for a corn bread filled with bacin and cheese.

Black mushrooms grilled in garlic butter, and cheese.
And then for those so inclined, some salad.

Jees Bill

Just been out for dinner and feel as stuffed as a fat girls sock but reading that I feel hungry again...!

Fancy starting a cooking thread and passing your tomato relish recipe on...!

Ill teach you my Panzanella.

Biltong wrote:

The Saint wrote:

GLove39 wrote:Hahaha, Bakies Botha's take on why South Africa dominated the Wallabies yesterday! https://twitter.com/bakkiesbotha4/status/376588960828780544  

I'd love to go to a South African BBQ. I'd also love Bakkies to make me breakfast.

If you come to my house this is what we will serve you at a braai.

Firstly the meat.

One inch thick Lambchops and one inch thick Rump Steaks. They will be done medium, if your request is medium to rear that will also be done, only 4 condoments for the meat, salt, pepper, lemon juice and mixed braai spice.

There will be Boerewors.

Then Stywe pap. (Corn meal cooked so that it is nice and firm, almost to a paydough consistency, with a tomato r
And onion relish fir for a king. (I am widely known for my delicious tomato relish)

Paptert. (Same corn meal, but filled with Mushrooms, Sweetcorn, Bacon, Onions and cheese, baked in the oven)

Sometimes we substitute the oaotert for a corn bread filled with bacin and cheese.

Black mushrooms grilled in garlic butter, and cheese.
And then for those so inclined, some salad.

I don't speak Afriakans mate, you're going to have to explain to me what boerewors is? Leave out the mushrooms as I can't stand them but the rest sounds like Heaven. Even Bakkies' fried eggs are huge. I think SA may have just overtaken the USA for 'good food.' Though I'll confirm it once we dine out at your farm. Then afterwards we can go hunting .

Boerwors is a mix (to your taste) of minced beef and some pork fat (roughly 30%) pork fat to keep the sausage moist and juicy.

You add whatever spices you want, then use the intestinal track as the vehicle much like you would do with pork sausage.

I like to taste a raw piece, it is similar to beef tartar in texture and taste.

But grilled on an open fire it is simply delicious.

Geez you guys...after reading this I went straight to the gym at lunch time...felt like I'd put on 5kg's just reading it...yummm

Biltong wrote:

The Saint wrote:

GLove39 wrote:Hahaha, Bakies Botha's take on why South Africa dominated the Wallabies yesterday! https://twitter.com/bakkiesbotha4/status/376588960828780544  

I'd love to go to a South African BBQ. I'd also love Bakkies to make me breakfast.

If you come to my house this is what we will serve you at a braai.

Firstly the meat.

One inch thick Lambchops and one inch thick Rump Steaks. They will be done medium, if your request is medium to rear that will also be done, only 4 condoments for the meat, salt, pepper, lemon juice and mixed braai spice.

There will be Boerewors.

Then Stywe pap. (Corn meal cooked so that it is nice and firm, almost to a paydough consistency, with a tomato r
And onion relish fir for a king. (I am widely known for my delicious tomato relish)

Paptert. (Same corn meal, but filled with Mushrooms, Sweetcorn, Bacon, Onions and cheese, baked in the oven)

Sometimes we substitute the oaotert for a corn bread filled with bacin and cheese.

Black mushrooms grilled in garlic butter, and cheese.
And then for those so inclined, some salad.

You see that is probably why I am not looking like Etzebeth,  I just normally braai lambchops, chicken (you have to have some vegetables) and boerewors.  Only use Roberson's BBQ spice though.  And I don't really eat pap (traditionally we folk from the Western Cape don't eat much stywe pap) - replace that with braaibroodjies  - cheese and tomato with garlic or just garlic bread and then some potato salad.  I recently try to make potbrood (bread in a pot) as well - doagh, cheese, bacon. I am also trying to get some potato bake and cream in there with limited success.

...back to the gym..

Fern, forgot all about those braai broodjies, my wife and son's favourite.