Mayweather/Canelo vs GGG

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/06/golovkin-willing-to-fight-canelo-and-mayweather-at-154/

The winner of Mayweather v Canelo will be the light middleweight number one. Golovkin vs the light middleweight champion at 154 would obviously be the most interesting fight for either. Most lucrative, most competitive, most interesting and most quality.

Pacquiao was criticised for not facing light middleweights having won a light middleweight belt, although I don't doubt an excuse will be invented for Floyd whereas Canelo will be given no such slack. What genuine excuse do either of these guys have not to face Golovkin at 154? The most interesting point from that article is that Canelo weighed more in his last fight than Gennady did in his.

I'd back Golovkin to knock out either of them. Canelo has sparred him and witnesses say he was dominated, but these stories aren't always accurate. I doubt Floyd could hurt GGG with his best punch but it would only take one clean one from Golovkin to seperate Mayweather from his senses, and his undefeated record.

Will it happen? What will the Mayweather/Canelo winner's excuse be? If it happens, who ya got?

Mayweather is a no go and would rather Golovkin concentrated on trying to get fights with the best in his division rather than those below him. This of course doesn't apply to Alvarez who should move up win or lose, that would be an interesting fight. I actually think a series of fights between Golovkin, Alvarez and Chavez would be quite entertaining, whoever comes out on top would then be a very viable option for Ward.

Just because Golovkin is talking about fighting these guys at 154 doesn't mean hes actually willing to. hes trying to get some publicity by trying to throw his name into the equation of the biggest fight in town. Froch isn't criticized for turning Cleverly down, so I don't expect anybody will pay much attention to Flloyd not fighting Golovkin. Martinez was an easier fight to make for Flloyd but that never happened, so im sure Golovkin knows he has no chance of securing that fight. so he might aswell keep on talking.

Golovkin has only ever fought one undefeated fighter, and has yet to push himself into a testing fight, so why doesn't he beat some better opponents before hopelessly trying to jump the queue and get a shot at the real money makers...

Well Lance he destroyed Maklin who only recently before that took Martinez 11 rounds or 12, knocking him down along the way.....at the time Martinez was p4p 2 in the world....

That's half the point though MM, his only opponent of note is Macklin, it's not necessarily his fault but i'd rather see him targeting the likes of Barker or even Trout. No issue with him going for Alvarez but going for Mayweather is just silly, he offers him absolutely nothing.

Froch has superior opposition available than Cleverly. Neither Floyd or Alvarez have any rivals on the horizon who could Golovkin a fight.

Why is it silly to go for a guy who would be the reigning champ at light middle when it's Mayweather but not when it's Alvarez?

It's a question of size JBW, Alvarez could quite easily move up to middleweight whereas Mayweather couldn't. As a champion in the same division as Alvarez there was no way for him to avoid that fight but he can quite easily say he's too small for a guy in the division above.

If he wants to get a fight with some of the biggest earners in the sport(forget about wether they are good or not) he needs to start fighting better opponents than Macklin and Ishida

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:It's a question of size JBW, Alvarez could quite easily move up to middleweight whereas Mayweather couldn't. As a champion in the same division as Alvarez there was no way for him to avoid that fight but he can quite easily say he's too small for a guy in the division above.

If it's at light middleweight I don't see it as being an excuse. Mayweather's a light middle champion for Oscar, Cotto and Alvarez but not for Golovkin?

Lance wrote:If he wants to get a fight with some of the biggest earners in the sport(forget about wether they are good or not) he needs to start fighting better opponents than Macklin and Ishida

He's been largely avoided and breezed through those who would face him.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

Lance wrote:If he wants to get a fight with some of the biggest earners in the sport(forget about wether they are good or not) he needs to start fighting better opponents than Macklin and Ishida

He's been largely avoided and breezed through those who would face him.

im not saying he hasn't. and in a fair sport he wouldn't be a million miles off a shot. but this is boxing, his promoter needs to secure him bigger fights otherwise this is just a pipe dream. its tough to get to the top with all the politics involved and hes still got a long way to go

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:It's a question of size JBW, Alvarez could quite easily move up to middleweight whereas Mayweather couldn't. As a champion in the same division as Alvarez there was no way for him to avoid that fight but he can quite easily say he's too small for a guy in the division above.

If it's at light middleweight I don't see it as being an excuse. Mayweather's a light middle champion for Oscar, Cotto and Alvarez but not for Golovkin?

What has Golovkin done to deserve a shot against Mayweather? If he's so desperate for the fight step down to 154lbs and start fighting guys that can give you a shot at the big time rather than hoping it will be gifted to you.

Who is a superior foe to Golovkin at 154? We want the best to fight the best, right? He's trying to get a big fight with two of the biggest stars in boxing. Do they have any reason other than "he's too big" or "he's been ducked by others".

GGG will be weight drained at weak at LMW so makes it a low reward high risk fight! I also don't see what GGG has done to deserve a shot at floyd or alverez

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:It's a question of size JBW, Alvarez could quite easily move up to middleweight whereas Mayweather couldn't. As a champion in the same division as Alvarez there was no way for him to avoid that fight but he can quite easily say he's too small for a guy in the division above.

If it's at light middleweight I don't see it as being an excuse. Mayweather's a light middle champion for Oscar, Cotto and Alvarez but not for Golovkin?

What has Golovkin done to deserve a shot against Mayweather? If he's so desperate for the fight step down to 154lbs and start fighting guys that can give you a shot at the big time rather than hoping it will be gifted to you.

He's the best fighter who can fight at the division FLoyd is operating in.
It's highly unlikely any name 154 fighters will face him. Full blown middleweights have vacated belts to avoid him.

unfortunately mayweather against morales would sell more than mayweather against golovkin right now, and that is their excuse. golovkin needs much more name recognition. he knows that, that's why hes even wasting his breath asking for a fight

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Who is a superior foe to Golovkin at 154? We want the best to fight the best, right? He's trying to get a big fight with two of the biggest stars in boxing. Do they have any reason other than "he's too big" or "he's been ducked by others".

He should prove it then, having a career best win of Macklin isn't going to make Mayweather stand up and take notice nor will it Alvarez until he steps up. He's a fans favourite but his fans should understand that he's no different to anyone else and has to earn his shot at the big time.

He'd need to fight at light middle first before it can be considered, if he can get a decent win there then the winner of Mayweather vs Alvarez should fight him, until he actually beats a light middlewieght though its all speculation as to if he can make weight without issue.

There is a big difference: Talent.

He's in a catch 22. Name fighters say "He needs to face a name before he faces me."

As I said, he's struggling to get significant middles to fight him, he'd be waiting an age for a light middle to take the plunge.

Then he has to try harder instead of trying to make fights with two men in the division below, neither of whom need him nor could they be accused of ducking him.

Try harder? By doing what, exactly?

By fighting better names than the list of nobodies he's defended against, he has fought the grand sum of Matthew Macklin, I can't imagine somebody like N'Dam N'Jikam avoiding him.

Where's the facepalm smiley?

As I said (how many times will I use that phrasing on this thread?) names say "face a name". You can't imagine N'Dam avoiding? He vacated his belt when a purse bid was about to take place!

Macklin was dangerous before he got battered. So was Proksa, for that matter. Both bums after they got smashed though.

Proksa was shown to be not up to it when Hope beat him and I said as much before that fight while Macklin was never dangerous but a decent yardstick. I'm also suggesting N'dam N'Jikam now that he's lost, would give a decent comparison to Quillin.

And yet, some predicted he'd ask GGG some questions. You may say Macklin wasn't dangerous, but if he's a yardstick then GGG compared favourably to anybody else who's faced him. Again, people were saying he was strong and tough enough to take Gennady into deeper waters and ask him some questions. Couldn't do it.

N'Dam already ducked him back in early 2012.

Fighting Quillin would give a good comparison to Quillin, however Quillin's previously said a fight between him and Golovkin "doesn't make sense" for some spurious reasons. Hopefully he'll change his tune as Golovkin becomes more of a draw. Regardless, not being enough of a draw is a p!ss poor excuse for guys vying to be the top pound for pound in the world not to face him.

It's a money business, if you don't provide enough monetary benefits then no one will fight you it's that simple.

Sounds like a duck. Also GGG fights on HBO. Either would be MASSIVE.

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GGG is the equivalent of mattysse at lww before the Peterson fight!