Davis Cup- Croatia vs GB

by TopoftheChops Thu 12 Sep 2013, 11:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

First rubbers are:

Andy Murray vs Borna Coric
Daniel Evans vs Ivan Dodig

I think that the first day will finish at 1-1. I cannot see Murray losing to a 16 year old but I think Dodig will have the quality to beat evans eventhough it is on clay

by Born Slippy Sun 15 Sep 2013, 7:08 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
lags72 wrote:Good for him.

Insignificant in terms of the tie per se, but nonetheless adding to his confidence factor going forward.
Well I do believe it will earn him some ranking points.

It won't earn him any ranking points as it was a dead rubber.

by CaledonianCraig Sun 15 Sep 2013, 7:20 pm

Born Slippy wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
lags72 wrote:Good for him.

Insignificant in terms of the tie per se, but nonetheless adding to his confidence factor going forward.
Well I do believe it will earn him some ranking points.
It won't earn him any ranking points as it was a dead rubber.

Unfortunate then.

by ryan86 Sun 15 Sep 2013, 11:30 pm

Ah, damn missed one of the most anticapated matches in the history of tennis today

Lukas Rosol v Horacio Zeballos.

by invisiblecoolers Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:19 am

Sad day for us Canada went down 2-3 from 2-1 lead. Sad

by banbrotam Mon 16 Sep 2013, 10:41 am

In my ignorance of Davis Cup and now renewed interest (for some strange reason Whistle

) I was wondering how Spain got on in the SF picard

I didn't realise that they got knocked out in the first round against Canada. Even without Rafa, who the frig did that happen??

Then I saw the Spanish team!!

But well done to Canada (and sorry about yesterday IC) but it shows if you have one Top 20 player and either a good doubles team or a solid No.2, you've a chance

by banbrotam Mon 16 Sep 2013, 10:45 am

erictheblueuk wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:And Murray wins 6-4 6-2 6-4 and GB take a winning 3-1 lead and GB are back in the World Group after a long time away. Very good performance from Andy and Dodig played very well as well.
Please lets keep this in persepective, Murray has been to the FO semi finals and I don't think Dodig has even got past the 1st round there.

Irrelevant really. The key here was how Murray would fair on his worst service in a hostile environment with a dodgy back having just had a disappointing slam loss

It had all the makings of a potential disaster - particularly when he started off by letting a 16-year old dictate terms picard

However, against Dodig it was arguably his best 'pure tennis' performance of the year

No. We're not saying that puts him third favourite for next years French Wink

by slashermcguirk Mon 16 Sep 2013, 10:56 am

Impressive comeback by Serbia. You have to hand it to djokovic, he really delivers for his country. Straight sets wins against Pospisil and raonic were impressive given he had just been to final of US open earlier that week. Could be a good final against Czech Republic.

I bet berdych would love to get one over Djokovic given his poor record against him.

by slashermcguirk Mon 16 Sep 2013, 10:58 am

Where would GB be if Murray was not around!! Andy seemed to win that tie himself.

by banbrotam Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:00 am

We got half a point off Fleming, who did play well himself

We could argue it's that old Peter Fleming (no relation!!) quote, who argued (back in the day) that the best doubles partnership was Mac and anyone!!

by whocares Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:12 am

banbrotam wrote:

No. We're not saying that puts him third favourite for next years French

Murray would still be considered at least 4th favourite at a FO (after Nadal, Djokovic and possibly Ferrer)

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:14 am

Czech Republic against Serbia does indeed have the makings of a decent final, I suspect Czech Republic will be 2-1 up after the doubles (Berdych should beat Tipsy, and the Czechs have an awesome doubles record). So then it comes down to the last day, where the Serbs probably start as slight favourites in both matches. Where's it being played?

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:16 am

Also worth noting that while A. Murray did indeed fly the flag high for GB in this one, it was the rest of the team's heroics against Russia which got them into this position.

by ryan86 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:19 am

In the 1st Round next year can we draw anyone or is there some sort of seeding?

by whocares Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:26 am

ryan86 wrote:In the 1st Round next year can we draw anyone or is there some sort of seeding?

there will be some seeds (to be announced today, draw is on wesnesday)

current rankings (GB is 30th) :

http://www.daviscup.com/en/rankings/current-rankings.aspx

by The Special Juan Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:30 am

@MfC I think the Serbs are hosting it this year.

by slashermcguirk Mon 16 Sep 2013, 1:25 pm

Yes, Serbia are hosting the final. I actually don't understand why the final is not played in a neutral country?? Seems strange that anybody should have home advantage for a final.

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 1:29 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Yes, Serbia are hosting the final. I actually don't understand why the final is not played in a neutral country?? Seems strange that anybody should have home advantage for a final.

maybe they worry that not enough people would attend it in a neutral country? I honestly don't know, especially as it always seems to be rather random as to who exactly is hosting.

Anyway, based on that I make the Serbs slight favourites, though the choice of court will be interesting. The faster courts favour the Czechs certainly, but Tipsy isn't a fan of slower conditions. Suspect they'll go with a medium-slow hard court...

If UK get a home tie, they should of course pick a fast court, either grass or hard, so long as it's FAST!

by whocares Mon 16 Sep 2013, 1:45 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

If UK get a home tie, they should of course pick a fast court, either grass or hard, so long as it's FAST!

I remember some hosting country in the 90s (was it paraguay?) had courts made of concrete Shocked

not sure if that would go down well nowadays ! (doubt if would be allowed anyway)

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 1:56 pm

whocares wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:

If UK get a home tie, they should of course pick a fast court, either grass or hard, so long as it's FAST!
I remember some hosting country in the 90s (was it paraguay?) had courts made of concrete

not sure if that would go down well nowadays ! (doubt if would be allowed anyway)

wouldn't be allowed I don't think. This from Jeremy Bates on the last time GB won a tie in the world group

"We played against Spain in Telford and we put a nice fast carpet court down," he explained. "We played against Sergio Casal and Emilio Sanchez. John Lloyd played number one singles, and I played number two. Great memories - all the Davis Cup memories were great memories. Unfortunately it's not allowed any more, as there are rules about the speed of the courts you can put down. The parameters are much narrower now."

by whocares Mon 16 Sep 2013, 3:39 pm

reuters wrote:
Czech Republic will be the top seeds when the draw for the 2014 Davis Cup is made this week, the International Tennis Federation (ITF) said on Monday.

Winners last year, the Czechs have again reached the final and will play Serbia in Belgrade next month.

Serbia’s run to the final earns them the second seeding, followed by Spain and Argentina.

France, United States, Canada and Kazakhstan make up the eight seeded nations who will be kept apart in round one.

The other eight teams in next year’s World Group are Australia, Belgium, Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan, Netherlands and Switzerland.

The draw takes place in London on Wednesday.

by ryan86 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 7:08 pm

Mmm, I wouldn't mind Kazakhstan.

Whilst of course I'd want GB to win, at least we're now at a stage where you're not embarrassed to lose.

by Duty281 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 7:36 pm

Well done to Britannia, and especially Andy Murray. clap

I suppose Kazakhstan will be the best draw for GB - bit of a trek though if GB have to play away.

by The Special Juan Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:27 am

The draw's underway now. It's going to be Spain in Spain, isn't it?

by The Special Juan Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:33 am

USA! USA! USA!

by whocares Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:35 am

Spain gets Germany away. could be tasty if it is played in a place like Halle.

by The Special Juan Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:38 am

I think we could see Murray playing all 3 ties again. He's not going to expend much energy against Isner and Querrey (win or lose) and with him playing against the Bryans with Fleming, GB have a great shout. Still, it's a better draw for the US than GB.

by HM Murdock Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:41 am

It would be ironic if Scotland votes for independence next year and Andy can't play for GB Davis Cup team!

by The Special Juan Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:42 am

That would be very amusing if the GB Davis Cup squad lost Murray, Murray and Fleming due to an independence vote.

by whocares Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:44 am

The Special Juan wrote:I think we could see Murray playing all 3 ties again. He's not going to expend much energy against Isner and Querrey (win or lose) and with him playing against the Bryans with Fleming, GB have a great shout. Still, it's a better draw for the US than GB.

Bryans bros might be a step too far for the british double so you might need Evans to win a game. at least it is going to be on some sort of hard court so would improve his chances.

by The Special Juan Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:51 am

whocares wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:I think we could see Murray playing all 3 ties again. He's not going to expend much energy against Isner and Querrey (win or lose) and with him playing against the Bryans with Fleming, GB have a great shout. Still, it's a better draw for the US than GB.
Bryans bros might be a step too far for the british double so you might need Evans to win a game. at least it is going to be on some sort of hard court so would improve his chances.

I think Evans has a slim shot against Querrey (or Harrison) but only on a hard court. The US could be cheeky and play the tie on clay because Isner's quite good on it and the Bryans dominate all surfaces anyway.

by HM Murdock Wed 18 Sep 2013, 11:53 am

The Special Juan wrote: That would be very amusing if the GB Davis Cup squad lost Murray, Murray and Fleming due to an independence vote.

Of course, I forgot Fleming was a Scot too!

Actually, that really would be odd because independent Scotland have a better team than the rest of the UK, so what division would they play in? And if GB doesn't get relegated this year, do they remain in the World Group if they lose all their key players?

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