Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
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Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
In another shocking bureaucratic bungle, Bismark Du Plessis will be required to plead guilty to the offence already clarified by the iRB as erroneous in order to avoid a second judicial appearance.
http://www.sanzarrugby.com/therugbychampionship/news/bismarck-du-plessis-to-appear-before-sanzar-duty-judicial-officer-following-red-card/
Surely there are enough suit wearing administrators to sort out this stupidity?
http://www.sanzarrugby.com/therugbychampionship/news/bismarck-du-plessis-to-appear-before-sanzar-duty-judicial-officer-following-red-card/
Surely there are enough suit wearing administrators to sort out this stupidity?
GloriousEmpire- Posts : 4411
Join date : 2013-01-28
Age : 51
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
Bismarck facing a tribunal is automatic for a Red Card,since the IRB has decided the First
Yellow was a mistake by the Ref.Then all that needs deciding is IF the Second tackle was
bad enough for a citing?Whatever the Decision it begs a big question THE REF is UNTIL NOW
the sole arbiter of the laws on the pitch.
The TMO is an aid to him [or has been till now]with there now wider powers for detecting
alleged foul play.Is it now incumbent on him to accept the TMO`s decision in which case
he has been stripped of his powers by the Blazers.
EVERYFAN of whatever Country can and does we was robbed by the Ref.These days there
all neutral in theory, I was bought up in an Era when it was taken for granted all Refs
were "Homers"especially SA and NZ.
You could even pick out what offences they were exceptionally hot on etc.not to mention
the political pressures involved.
Referees are Human?they make mistakes often subconsciously bow to crowd pressures etc,
one also has to accept.THEY know the laws and the latest IRB directives better than we do
most are highly competent whether we wish to admit it or not.
The appointment of inexperienced Refs for very high profile matchs by IRB[or whoever]is a very debatable point.
Wayne Barnes in THAT Match ,Poite last Saturday etc.
Yellow was a mistake by the Ref.Then all that needs deciding is IF the Second tackle was
bad enough for a citing?Whatever the Decision it begs a big question THE REF is UNTIL NOW
the sole arbiter of the laws on the pitch.
The TMO is an aid to him [or has been till now]with there now wider powers for detecting
alleged foul play.Is it now incumbent on him to accept the TMO`s decision in which case
he has been stripped of his powers by the Blazers.
EVERYFAN of whatever Country can and does we was robbed by the Ref.These days there
all neutral in theory, I was bought up in an Era when it was taken for granted all Refs
were "Homers"especially SA and NZ.
You could even pick out what offences they were exceptionally hot on etc.not to mention
the political pressures involved.
Referees are Human?they make mistakes often subconsciously bow to crowd pressures etc,
one also has to accept.THEY know the laws and the latest IRB directives better than we do
most are highly competent whether we wish to admit it or not.
The appointment of inexperienced Refs for very high profile matchs by IRB[or whoever]is a very debatable point.
Wayne Barnes in THAT Match ,Poite last Saturday etc.
emack2- Posts : 3686
Join date : 2011-04-01
Age : 81
Location : Bournemouth
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
The wider issue is the frequency that this happening. If the IRB wants people to turn up and pay big bucks to these matches they cant afford to have their own appointed officials ruining the entertainment for those very people.
They cant continue to sit in the ivory towers and preach how we should all take this every time it happens without addressing it properly themselves, constructively and transparently. Otherwise folk will simply go elsewhere.
They cant continue to sit in the ivory towers and preach how we should all take this every time it happens without addressing it properly themselves, constructively and transparently. Otherwise folk will simply go elsewhere.
Taylorman- Posts : 12343
Join date : 2011-02-02
Location : Wellington NZ
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
Go elsewhere? Are you kidding? To the money mad footie? Look the most transparent whitewashing of all time the spearing of BOD was 10 years ago. We're still here. Sadly NZ benefitted this time too though they weren't complicit maybe Nonu should get a red for his continual off the ball work. Poite goofed. I wonder if that hurts as much as DC's shoulder? Barritt was good wasn't he? Such riches at 10. Guess he'll have to step up in SA
Dontheman- Posts : 246
Join date : 2011-10-13
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
oh bod...in another post...no thanks...hes old news.
Taylorman- Posts : 12343
Join date : 2011-02-02
Location : Wellington NZ
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
I would say a yellow card for Bismarck's 2nd offence would be strong enough. I didn't think it was intentional as Messam was already very close to him. It certainly was wrong and perhaps should come with a 1-2 match ban mind. Had he been sent off I would have said harsh but I wouldn't have claimed conspricy etc etc. It was one of those bad yellows, harsh instant sent off... like a dark red ski run.
I would like to see the IRB discipline Romain Poite though publicaly. Either strip him of lets say his next 2-3 matches, put him in as a TMO only etc.
It was the biggest test of the year... No.1 vs. No.2.
The TMO said there was nothing wrong with the tackle, said he wasn't offside but instead he then took his own split second opinion and said, yellow card, high and no arms.
If thats the case why bother going to the TMO who had the luxury of hindsight and multiple views if you were just going to discount it on your own opinion which has to be said is far less credible.
Its a direct violation of the game, it ruined the match as it instantly put the boks on the backfoot and regardless of the sending off of Bismarck, the boks were unlikely to fully recover from it.
Mistakes are made yes, but mistakes made when the full facts are clearly presented to the referee by the TMO is criminal... and in the biggest match of the year its simply not acceptable.
Referee's need to know their place... they should be in the shadows, not the talking point.
I would like to see the IRB discipline Romain Poite though publicaly. Either strip him of lets say his next 2-3 matches, put him in as a TMO only etc.
It was the biggest test of the year... No.1 vs. No.2.
The TMO said there was nothing wrong with the tackle, said he wasn't offside but instead he then took his own split second opinion and said, yellow card, high and no arms.
If thats the case why bother going to the TMO who had the luxury of hindsight and multiple views if you were just going to discount it on your own opinion which has to be said is far less credible.
Its a direct violation of the game, it ruined the match as it instantly put the boks on the backfoot and regardless of the sending off of Bismarck, the boks were unlikely to fully recover from it.
Mistakes are made yes, but mistakes made when the full facts are clearly presented to the referee by the TMO is criminal... and in the biggest match of the year its simply not acceptable.
Referee's need to know their place... they should be in the shadows, not the talking point.
fa0019- Posts : 8196
Join date : 2011-07-25
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
The TMO was commenting on the handbags afterwards not the tackle as Poite said he had seen that himself. His mistake was not asking not that he didn't listen.
No 7&1/2- Posts : 31381
Join date : 2012-10-20
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
No7. He said the tackle was fine. Look back at the video if you like. He also commented on the handbags.
fa0019- Posts : 8196
Join date : 2011-07-25
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
He wasn't asked about the tackle though. Poite said he was fine with the tackle hence when told everything was fine he went with what he thought.
We've seen something like this before (think it was SA vs Scotland in the summer) where the TMO gave an opinion on a forward pass he wasn't asked about and the ref just ignored him and gave a try. Even if the TMO was trying to give the all clear for the tackle (which I don't think he clearly does) and shouldn't have done Poite could have ignored him.
We've seen something like this before (think it was SA vs Scotland in the summer) where the TMO gave an opinion on a forward pass he wasn't asked about and the ref just ignored him and gave a try. Even if the TMO was trying to give the all clear for the tackle (which I don't think he clearly does) and shouldn't have done Poite could have ignored him.
No 7&1/2- Posts : 31381
Join date : 2012-10-20
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
Bismarck Red Card Squashed no further sanction,but Yellow Card stands on his record for the rest of the year.
emack2- Posts : 3686
Join date : 2011-04-01
Age : 81
Location : Bournemouth
Re: Du Plessis Required to Plead Guilty
I'd have Poite re-trained in some equitorial guinea vs. chad match ups to get him to accept what he did was plain wrong.
fa0019- Posts : 8196
Join date : 2011-07-25
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