Is Timothy Bradley really backing out of Khan fight???

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as the title say, is Tm Bradley pulling out of this unification fight?

Surely he must required by his governing bosy to fight Khan? personally if they do not fight I think it will be more down to Khans outragious demands, 70/30 splits, ring size ect......

Personally I think Bradley would win by TKO anyway so why back out, if Khan wants to be greedy tell the world of his demands and leave it there. that will show that it is Khan who is makoing this fight impossible.

Khan knows this will be his hardest fight to date so wnats to (rightly) make alot of money but how can he expect his opponent (also world champion) who is fighting "at home" to take a lower pay cheque?

Typical Khan......

Steven_89 wrote:Its not as easy as that. 30% could be a huge career high for Tim. Why turn that down because someone else is getting more? 30% could be $2.5m. Who else can generate that kind of income for him. Unless he fights Manny or Floyd, only Amir can give him a career high payday.

Thems the brakes mate
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Nah i wouldn't take 30% if i was Bradley, Khan's just had a disaster on box office, he thinks he's more popular than he is, the only seriously popular boxer who could do huge ppv, demand more is Hatton in his prime, Khan's not as popular as he thinks he is, i hope they fight because Bradley will destroy him, too clever, he was baffled by a unproven domestic southpaw

I'm just glad you are not a manager. Khan is more popular than Bradley and as you so often say "end of".

So baffled he won every single round comfortably
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he wasnt going to stop McCloskey and ppv numbers were so much of a disaster skysports wanted to put the fight on skysports3 which he turned down through greed, McCloskey was heading for a points defeat, then he comes out and says you were getting stopped, nah nah nah.

Also, why should Bradley fight him for what azania says 30%, do me a favour, the fight's likely to be in Tim's home country why should he give 70% to imo and many others a fighter he's better than, when HBO guaranteed him at least $1.2 M for his next defence anyway or next fight. Bradley is highly regarded as the better fighter and proven himself much more, so he can walk into another big fight anyway.

I'm just glad you are not a manager. Khan is more popular than Bradley and as you so often say "end of".
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Who's more popular, Hatton or Manny?, who wanted 70/30, and 60/40? Manny. Who got 50/50 ? Hatton?, im delighted your no manager as well if you would sell your fighter into a fight for a mere 30% against the 70% to a fighter he's a lot better than, that spells one thing to me, you aint got a clue.

Steven_89 wrote:I'm just glad you are not a manager. Khan is more popular than Bradley and as you so often say "end of".
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Who's more popular, Hatton or Manny?, who wanted 70/30, and 60/40? Manny. Who got 50/50 ? Hatton?, im delighted your no manager as well if you would sell your fighter into a fight for a mere 30% against the 70% to a fighter he's a lot better than, that spells one thing to me, you aint got a clue.

Did hatton get 50/50?

Yep, stick to your egos. Boxers fight for money. Holmes vs Cooney was split 50/50. Holmes was the established champ and was getting a career high payday. Cooney brought the money to the table to enable Holmes to get 50%.

Holmes normally gets 70% because he was the man. But if you were his manager you would have held on for 70% and the fight would not have happened thereby losing Holmes his career high purse.

Carry on.

KHAN
BIGGEST WINS: Kotelnik W PTS, Wins WBA Title, Maidana W PTS
BIGGEST SETBACK: Being destroyed in a round, not caught cold he was rocked off a jab, not caught by a single shot, then put to sleep off some beautifully structured hooks, if it was a fluke he would rematch Prescott, end of.

BRADLEY
BIGGEST WINS: Witter PTS, Wins WBC Title, Holt W PTS, Wins WBO Title, Alexander TD, Wins IBF Title
BIGGEST SETBACK: A below par fight with Alexander, when he still bagged a title against another quality fighter
Bradley is rated #1 by the Ring magazine, Boxrec, ESPN, Most worldwide ratings, he is the bonafied champ and has had 2 unification fights, how many's Khan had?

I think they should have both got 50/50, and if anyone more Bradley because achievement wise he's leagues ahead of Khan. I'm not believing the hype

Steven_89 wrote:KHAN
BIGGEST WINS: Kotelnik W PTS, Wins WBA Title, Maidana W PTS
BIGGEST SETBACK: Being destroyed in a round, not caught cold he was rocked off a jab, not caught by a single shot, then put to sleep off some beautifully structured hooks, if it was a fluke he would rematch Prescott, end of.

BRADLEY
BIGGEST WINS: Witter PTS, Wins WBC Title, Holt W PTS, Wins WBO Title, Alexander TD, Wins IBF Title
BIGGEST SETBACK: A below par fight with Alexander, when he still bagged a title against another quality fighter
Bradley is rated #1 by the Ring magazine, Boxrec, ESPN, Most worldwide ratings, he is the bonafied champ and has had 2 unification fights, how many's Khan had?

I think they should have both got 50/50, and if anyone more Bradley because achievement wise he's leagues ahead of Khan. I'm not believing the hype

It doesn't m,atter who has the biggest win. What matters is who brings cash to the table. Bradley doesn't. This is a business. Something you totally fail to understand.

HBO offered Bradley at least $1.2 M for his next fight, why should he take 30% of Khan when he could fight say Lamont Peterson and get $1.2 M ? if i was Bradley i'd walk away, he has a guy dictating to him who's just had an absolute disaster on PPV and who's credability will undoubtedly drop vastly, Bradley is ready to move up anyway, he's unified the divison twice, had defining fights and is the best in the world.

Steven_89 wrote:HBO offered Bradley at least $1.2 M for his next fight, why should he take 30% of Khan when he could fight say Lamont Peterson and get $1.2 M ? if i was Bradley i'd walk away, he has a guy dictating to him who's just had an absolute disaster on PPV and who's credability will undoubtedly drop vastly, Bradley is ready to move up anyway, he's unified the divison twice, had defining fights and is the best in the world.

30% would be much more than $1.3m. I'd imagine he would get $1.5.

30% would be much more than $1.3m. I'd imagine he would get $1.5.
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Bradley's rated higer, has beat the better fighters, is just as exciting to watch, i couldn't care any smaller about some armchair dude liking Khan's posters or who's more popular with the people, achievement HAS TO be considered, i'd walk away if i was Bradley and it looks like he will, he has nothing at all to prove anyway what with his 2 unification fights, Haye had 1 and moved up, Bradley's had 2 and is ready to move up .

Steven_89 wrote:HBO offered Bradley at least $1.2 M for his next fight, why should he take 30% of Khan when he could fight say Lamont Peterson and get $1.2 M ? if i was Bradley i'd walk away, he has a guy dictating to him who's just had an absolute disaster on PPV and who's credability will undoubtedly drop vastly, Bradley is ready to move up anyway, he's unified the divison twice, had defining fights and is the best in the world.

Defining fights against Holt and Alexander? Give over, they're nothing to write home about and until he beats Khan he can't and won't be considered the best at the weight. You mention that Khan had a disaster on PPV but haven't ALL of Bradleys fights been PPV disasters, barely sells tickets in his own backyard

Defining fights against Holt and Alexander? Give over, they're nothing to write home about and until he beats Khan he can't and won't be considered the best at the weight. You mention that Khan had a disaster on PPV but haven't ALL of Bradleys fights been PPV disasters, barely sells tickets in his own backyard
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hahahahahahahah! hardly out to write home about, in who's head yours? im sure that stops him from sleeping, Alexander is and was a very talented fighter with some solid wins, your deluded, as was Holt, Bradley can walk into the welterweights now, he doesnt need your blessing, believe me, your no bert sugar, so dont try to be.

The Mighty Atom wrote:

Steven_89 wrote:HBO offered Bradley at least $1.2 M for his next fight, why should he take 30% of Khan when he could fight say Lamont Peterson and get $1.2 M ? if i was Bradley i'd walk away, he has a guy dictating to him who's just had an absolute disaster on PPV and who's credability will undoubtedly drop vastly, Bradley is ready to move up anyway, he's unified the divison twice, had defining fights and is the best in the world.

Defining fights against Holt and Alexander? Give over, they're nothing to write home about and until he beats Khan he can't and won't be considered the best at the weight. You mention that Khan had a disaster on PPV but haven't ALL of Bradleys fights been PPV disasters, barely sells tickets in his own backyard

Alexander another champion is arguably a bigger win than any of Khan's. He was considered the best at the weight by most before that, let alone after it. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight

Steven_89 wrote:30% would be much more than $1.3m. I'd imagine he would get $1.5.
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Bradley's rated higer, has beat the better fighters, is just as exciting to watch, i couldn't care any smaller about some armchair dude liking Khan's posters or who's more popular with the people, achievement HAS TO be considered, i'd walk away if i was Bradley and it looks like he will, he has nothing at all to prove anyway what with his 2 unification fights, Haye had 1 and moved up, Bradley's had 2 and is ready to move up .

Walk away from $1.5m. Where will he getthat purse from again unless he fights Pac of Floyd?

So what said there is nothing constructive, in your opinion Alexander and Holt are top notch wins to me they are inferior to wins over Maidana and Kotelnik not to mention that at the time Malignaggi was rated higher at the weight than Witter. If you want to actually debate do it sensibly because your posts seem to be the ramblings of a mad man.

Scottrf wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:

Steven_89 wrote:HBO offered Bradley at least $1.2 M for his next fight, why should he take 30% of Khan when he could fight say Lamont Peterson and get $1.2 M ? if i was Bradley i'd walk away, he has a guy dictating to him who's just had an absolute disaster on PPV and who's credability will undoubtedly drop vastly, Bradley is ready to move up anyway, he's unified the divison twice, had defining fights and is the best in the world.

Defining fights against Holt and Alexander? Give over, they're nothing to write home about and until he beats Khan he can't and won't be considered the best at the weight. You mention that Khan had a disaster on PPV but haven't ALL of Bradleys fights been PPV disasters, barely sells tickets in his own backyard

Alexander another champion is arguably a bigger win than any of Khan's. He was considered the best at the weight by most before that, let alone after it. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight

If we're honest here Scott, Alexander got the nod over Kotelnik because he was young and American, in no way did he deserve to win that fight

Walk away from $1.5m. Where will he getthat purse from again unless he fights Pac of Floyd?
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as i've already said, Bradley is the better fighter imo, has done more, thats not an opinion thats a fact, he's had 2 unification fights, and is rated #1 by all the magazines, etc, i would walk away if i was getting 30% and someone who got sparked out and looked drunk off Prescott and had an absolute disaster last time out PPV and fightwise was wanting 70%, i think Bradley will walk away as well. He could earn a less 20% for fighting lesser fighters, i would fight lesser fighters. Hatton held out and got 50% against Pacquiao, Bradley should do the same, Hatton at the time had done more at the weight and got his due, likewise with Bradley, only difference is Bradley is the better fighter.

Bradley had beaten a very highly ranked Witter before Khan entered the division, and then a number of the 'fringe' level guys like Holt and Peterson. Alexander had a few good wins before a close fight with Kotelnik, which admittedly he probably deserved to lose. Khan is better than Alexander but I do think Bradley should be ranked higher.

I'm not disputing that overall Bradley should be ranked higher but in no shape or form is he a clear number one in the division, there's very little to seperate their best wins at the weight

Are wins over Witter, Holt, Peterson and Alexander really that much better than wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana and McCloskey, all of them were top ten ranked in the division at the time of the fights.

So what said there is nothing constructive, in your opinion Alexander and Holt are top notch wins to me they are inferior to wins over Maidana and Kotelnik not to mention that at the time Malignaggi was rated higher at the weight than Witter. If you want to actually debate do it sensibly because your posts seem to be the ramblings of a mad man.
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hahahaha, mad im happy me i dont rant or ramble these are facts, if that makes me a mad man, in who's head though, yours? please change your opinion im crying now, NAAAAAAT

BRADLEY'S RATED NUMBER 1
HE'S HAD 2 UNIFICATION FIGHTS
HE'S BEAT THE BETTER FIGHTERS

KHAN'S RATED NUMBER 2
HE'S HAD '0' UNIFICATION FIGHTS
HE HASNT BEAT THE BETTER FIGHTERS

a sloppy punching Maidana wouldn't beat Bradley or Devon, not in a month of sundays, if a fighter who lands about 2 out of 10 punches had him out on his feet, (Maidana) Bradley would stop him and Devon would beat him imo

OK I'd agree there's not a million miles in it. Just a little shocked that you don't consider a unification fight anything to write home about against a guy ranked variously as #2 or #3. Poor fight but established his credentials.

A unification fight means more if it's between the divisions one and two but anyone else it's just another fight

That sloppy punching Maidana beat Ortiz don't forget and neither Bradley or Alexander have that kind of power, Bradley probably beats the guy but Alexander has not really shown anything, strange how your ignoring the fact he deserved to lose to Kotelnik.

OK I'd agree there's not a million miles in it. Just a little shocked that you don't consider a unification fight anything to write home about against a guy ranked variously as #2 or #3. Poor fight but established his credentials.
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if you dont agree with guys like that they say your mad, Holt and Alexander are leagues above Kotelnik and Maidana, most people would agree with that in the know. Holt at the time was a very dangerous fighter and he dropped Tim twice, not to mention the prime Witter off the back of destroying Harris and who had been avoided by Hatton, there's a lot in it with regards to opponents, Bradley's mixed in much, much higher levels

A unification fight means more if it's between the divisions one and two but anyone else it's just another fight

That sloppy punching Maidana beat Ortiz don't forget and neither Bradley or Alexander have that kind of power, Bradley probably beats the guy but Alexander has not really shown anything, strange how your ignoring the fact he deserved to lose to Kotelnik.
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says who? again says you nobody else, it was for another belt, of course it means something lol!. Ortiz is one of my best fighters and would of won that fight, he lost his head and made a mistake, Maidana's an animal, but he isnt in the same league as Alexander or Holt, he has NEVER been a world champ, either. Ortiz would destroy him in a rematch as well at 140 or 147

Alexander leagues above Kotelnik? Hhm you might want to have a think about that Steve.

Those in the know really back up what your saying Southpaw, I suppose beating the 3rd and 5th ranked guys in the division is nothing because you say Alexander and Holt are leagues above, If Alexander was leagues Kotelnik why did he have to get a gift of a decision to beat him?

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight

The Mighty Atom wrote:A unification fight means more if it's between the divisions one and two but anyone else it's just another fight

That sloppy punching Maidana beat Ortiz don't forget and neither Bradley or Alexander have that kind of power, Bradley probably beats the guy but Alexander has not really shown anything, strange how your ignoring the fact he deserved to lose to Kotelnik.

Alexander was ranked number 2 by most places at the time.

Neither fighter has done that well on box office. Khan made a big mistake by putting on the McCloskey fight he should have stayed in America and had another fight with a top opponent. Maybe even the Maidana rematch if he had done this he would have been able to demand 70/30 maybe even 80/20. Now anymore than 60/40 is to much and Bradley shoul walk away

Alexander was ranked number 3 in fact at the time behind Khan otherwise Bradley would be the current holder of the ring title which he is not.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Alexander was ranked number 3 in fact at the time behind Khan otherwise Bradley would be the current holder of the ring title which he is not.

When the fight was booked Alexander was regarded as number 2 by most places. When the fight happened he was regarded number 3 after Khans win over Maidana.

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im not being funny but the lad who said that a unification fight with Alexander is nothing to write home about must be in a straightjacket, i mean lets be honest he destroyed Witter, destroyed Urango, was off colour but won against Kotelnik, was unbeaten, had unified the division, some people really do baffle me, they honestly do.

You'll find he was ranked number 3 when the fight was signed otherwise Bradley would be the ring magazine champion, it really is that simple

Steven_89 wrote:@kev
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im not being funny but the lad who said that a unification fight with Alexander is nothing to write home about must be in a straightjacket, i mean lets be honest he destroyed Witter, destroyed Urango, was off colour but won against Kotelnik, was unbeaten, had unified the division, some people really do baffle me, they honestly do.

So your using the excuse that he was off colour against Kotelnik, hardly showed himself to be leagues above in that fight did he?

The unification meant little in my view because it was not between the divisions number one and two

You might be right but I'm not sure. Not worth bickering over I'm in a good mood.

I do think Bradley is quite right to knock back the greedy wee turds offer.

Steven_89 wrote:@kev
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im not being funny but the lad who said that a unification fight with Alexander is nothing to write home about must be in a straightjacket, i mean lets be honest he destroyed Witter, destroyed Urango, was off colour but won against Kotelnik, was unbeaten, had unified the division, some people really do baffle me, they honestly do.

His acheivements are better but Khan brings more money to the table. Although after McCloskey Khan isn't in as strong a division. 60/40 to Khan maybe but I think 50/50 would be the fairest way to do it.

So your using the excuse that he was off colour against Kotelnik, hardly showed himself to be leagues above in that fight did he?

The unification meant little in my view because it was not between the divisions number one and two
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Alexander won the fight, i thought he just edged it as well, which wasnt his best performance, im not using nothing as an excuse, why do i need to make excuses when he destroyed Witter who beat Kotelnik, and destroyed Urango, and unified a title in doing so?. Before you say it's nothing to write home about, i really do think you should look at Bradley taking titles and beating top quality fighters, i really do. Holt had stopped the dangerous Torres, destoyed Diaz, beat Hopkins, solid wins. Also what's Khan done to 'write home about'? he was absolutely out on his feet and would of been stopped in a british ring in the late rounds against Maidana, he has beat Kotelnik, something Witter had done before Bradley destroyed him, lets not get carried away Khan hasnt done half what Bradley's done, he honestly hasnt, its there in evidence! lol

Well the fact you feel the need to say lol says it all really

Maidana beat Ortiz which is a better win than anything Bradleys opponents have done, you use being out on his feet against Khan but he rode out the storm and deservedly won, why not use Bradley getting decked twice by Holt against him. Your opinion which to me is insignificant compared to that of the ring magazine is not evidence.

The Mighty Atom wrote:A unification fight means more if it's between the divisions one and two but anyone else it's just another fight

That sloppy punching Maidana beat Ortiz don't forget and neither Bradley or Alexander have that kind of power, Bradley probably beats the guy but Alexander has not really shown anything, strange how your ignoring the fact he deserved to lose to Kotelnik.

I didn't ignore it, I acknowledged it, but everyone has off nights or opponents they look bad against. I 'ignored' that Maidana almost knocked Khan out too.

That was in reference to Southpaw Scott, while Maidana had Khan in trouble the judges didn't gift him the victory, he deserved it unlike Alexander.

Alexander went to #2 (behind Bradley) June 2010 after beating Urango, Khan was number 2 in the November issue. So I would guess the Malignaggi fight put Khan above Alexander in the Ring at least.

Edit: Actually I think it was his performance against Kotelnik due to how much easier Khan handled him.

That was my point, at no point was the Bradley/Alexander fight billed as being between one and two

The Mighty Atom wrote:Well the fact you feel the need to say lol says it all really

Maidana beat Ortiz which is a better win than anything Bradleys opponents have done, you use being out on his feet against Khan but he rode out the storm and deservedly won, why not use Bradley getting decked twice by Holt against him. Your opinion which to me is insignificant compared to that of the ring magazine is not evidence.

Ortiz's best win is over an unproven Berto. Bradley beat Holt who gave David Diaz his first defeat.

You're overrating Ortiz he hasn't prove anything yet.

I think part of what is being said is hindsight. Bradley Alexander should of been a big fight, however it was a terrible fight, in which neither look that good. Since then Alexander went on to perhaps being given a gift decsion over Kotelnik, whom Khan handled with ease. I personally don't think it waas a clash of style for Alexander, just on the night, i think he was the worse fighter, so he is not miles above. So was Alexander overated? ony time will tell.

Bradley has better wins, but not by a long way. 60/40 would seem fair at this point, but if Khan takes Judah, his wins will suddenly be perhaps better than Bradleys, and with the money he brings he would easyily deserve 70/30. However a win over Judah is no easy task, and if he is on form it is a very hard task.

You cannot seriously be comparing David Diaz to Andre Berto and yes Ortiz has proven more than any of Bradleys opposition for instance

If Khan fought Judah and beat him with a good performance or in a cracking fight he could demand 80/20. Bradley just isn't a big name. Khan was in poll position to negotiate after the Maidana fight but after McCloskey and the Sky stuff his position is considerably weaker.

If Khan fought Judah and beat him with a good performance or in a cracking fight he could demand 80/20
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do me a favour!, a guy who has been destroyed by Baldomir, lost to Clottey, hardly a world level fight!, Judah's about 5 years past his best, please, get your head down, if he wants a big fight he should be either fighting Ortiz, who yes he has proved something he's just ended the reign of Berto who was a quality fighter or fighting someone else at 147, beating Judah proves nothing, im a Manny fan as well but im sick of Roach handpicking shot fighters, Mosley, Margarito, etc.

You have a strange definition of getting destroyed

Khan beating Judah would prove as much as Bradley beating Alexander...

Steven_89 wrote:If Khan fought Judah and beat him with a good performance or in a cracking fight he could demand 80/20
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do me a favour!, a guy who has been destroyed by Baldomir, lost to Clottey, hardly a world level fight!, Judah's about 5 years past his best, please, get your head down, if he wants a big fight he should be either fighting Ortiz, who yes he has proved something he's just ended the reign of Berto who was a quality fighter or fighting someone else at 147, beating Judah proves nothing, im a Manny fan as well but im sick of Roach handpicking shot fighters, Mosley, Margarito, etc.

When did Berto or Ortiz prove they were top class? Judah would be a tough test for anyone at 140lbs. Ridiculous to say otherwise.

Im getting bored now of all this talk about Khan being this and that, he was baffled by a unproven domestic southpaw in a PPV disaster last time out, had to rely on a robbery of a stoppage to stop him from winning on points in a snoozefest, never seen such a 'world level' fighter hit thin air so much. And as for saying he thinks he can demand 80/20 to a better fighter and who has done much, much more @140 by fighting and beating a shot big mouth like Judah, well that baffles me, Judah's a hyped shot fighter

Steven_89 wrote:If Khan fought Judah and beat him with a good performance or in a cracking fight he could demand 80/20
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do me a favour!, a guy who has been destroyed by Baldomir, lost to Clottey, hardly a world level fight!, Judah's about 5 years past his best, please, get your head down, if he wants a big fight he should be either fighting Ortiz, who yes he has proved something he's just ended the reign of Berto who was a quality fighter or fighting someone else at 147, beating Judah proves nothing, im a Manny fan as well but im sick of Roach handpicking shot fighters, Mosley, Margarito, etc.

But earlier you said Maidana wasn't good as has never been world champ, well Judah has, and is, so would this not be one of those unification fights you bang on about Bradley having two of?

Wins over Collazo, Urango and Quintana established Berto as one of the top fighters at Welterweight unless your suggesting he could only have proved himself world class by beating either Mayweather or Pacquiao?