Hope it isn't true.....(Ricky Burns)

Looks like Eddie Hearn is sitting at home writing his best script to try and fed us the complete pish that Burns Vs Anthony Crolla is a respectable world title fight.

Having tried his luck feeding the fans the line that Burns is the "greatest Scottish fighter" there has ever been.... 

Will we hear that Crolla is a world class lightweight as well??

Seems his BS knows no bounds sometimes.

If it happens I hope everyone involved loses massively in a financial aspect.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/5143451/Anthony-Crolla-joins-Matchroom.html

Thoughts??

When is this fight planned?

Think im washing my hair that night as it goes

But you'll miss the greatest scottish fighter since William Wallace mate

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:But you'll miss the greatest scottish fighter since William Wallace mate

I think he could lose. Crolla is world class after all...

It seems it doesnt take a fighter to be world class to give Burns a hard night so Crolla is safe either way

Mexican sparring partners with about 8 losses are making a novice of him after all.

So that poor fella that was blatantly robbed isn't deserving of a rematch?

Poor show.

I think the look on Hearns face after the fight showed the answer of whether Burns was going to fight Beltran again.

You need to be able to at least have the power to swat a fly with your hand to keep Beltran at bay. Burns' hands are filled with helium. It would be a repeat of the first fight and Hearn knows it. So a string of fights against Crolla, Matthews and Rees will probably develop.

Yeah, Hearn is taking a leaf out of Franks book here. Burns has been exposed in his last two fights. Hearn wants a bit more $$ before he cashes out

Burns is awful, even before the jaw injury. Seen Crolla, nothing special there either. Shocking matchup.

bit harsh on burns to call him awful and unfair on beltran, and its not like this is the first instance where a champion has had a soft defense after a hard nights work.

I was reading 6 weeks ago Billy Nelson saying a Crolla fight would be a joke.

What a difference a fight makes, 36 little minutes.

jack-rabbitpunch wrote:bit harsh on burns to call him awful and unfair on beltran, and its not like this is the first instance where a champion has had a soft defense after a hard nights work.

"A" bad night?? the fight before the Beltran one wasn't much better. That was against his mandatory, so I'm guessing Beltran was supposed to be a soft defence after that.

i'm glad for crolla if it was to happen but derry mathews could feel a bit angry, and rightly so. they still haven't cleared up who's best between them.

burns has already finished mitchell so if he wanted a domestic dust up then crolla or mathews is the way to go.

it's not too long ago that broner was a 'possible' opponent. doesn't look like they're in a massive rush to step in with proven world class operators after the last couple of fights.

Why should Crolla or Mathews get a shot though??

They are scraping around at domestic level (Crolla not even able to beat Mathews), and Derry winning against an unproven Tommy Coyle and a footballer who has been beaten more times than enough now warrants shots at a world title.

How about Crolla or Mathews trying to win at european level first off. Mathews seems to get spanked every time he steps up anywhere near that level but competes well at british title level. Whereas Crolla has been found wanting at British level and is completely unproven at European Level.

For either of them to get a world title shot on the merit of their last few fights is frankly a disgrace for Boxing.

There is a rating system in place for a reason.

CHAMPION RICKY BURNS UK
Female MARIA ELENA MADERNA ARG
1 Terence Crawford (NABO) USA
2 Denis Shafikov RUS
3 Raymundo Beltran MEX
4 Rey Labao PHI
5 Paulus Moses NAM
6 Art Hovhannisyan ARM
7 Jose A. Gonzalez PR
8 Vicente Mosquera PAN
9 Anthony Crolla (Int-Cont) UK
10 Daniel Estrada MEX
11 Andrey Klimov RUS
12 Jorge Linares VEN
13 Jose Zepeda MEX
14 John Molina, Jr. USA
15 Ik Yang (China Zone)

Crolla deserves his place at 9 for beating Rees. But he is ranked 9!! There are many more ahead of him who deserve to try and win the belt.

As for Derry being angry....if he beats a ranked fighter or someone with a pulse then maybe he can even pose a question as to being considered for an eliminator etc.

But for now, Beltran deserves his rematch or Crawford deserves to be a challenger having earned it.

Whats happening with Ricky's mandatory? Beltran was a voluntary wasn't he?


Ricky will want a confidence builder so Crolla will fit the bill.


I wouldn't be surprised if Crolla jumped 8 places to be mandatory. Didn't Groves go from ranked 6th to Froch's mandatory. Seems the WBO are willing to work with Hearn the same way they do with Warren.

Gonzalez was his mandatory.....Belran was the "soft defence"

So does Ricky not have to face his mandatory now?

He won't want that.

But Crolla is number 9. Wasn't that Jewish bloke number 9 or something on the WBA rankings when Khan fought his as a mandatory  

No problem with this fight you just have to ignore that it is for a "World Title". Burns a decent Euro level fighter needs a confidence builder against a decent domestic level fighter, no harm in that.

The winner of Burns vs Beltran was supposed to face Terrance Crawford.

But now fast car is gently nudging these "has beens" and "never weres" into the public eye so he can try and justify them as deserving and acceptable challengers.

The worst thing about all this is Crolla and Mathews would probably beat Burns who is finished by the looks of things.

The belt shouldn't even be in his possession so if he wants to have a domestic dust up then throw a British title in for them, but don't try and give us this "Battle of Britain" nonsense again as if its genuinely a fight with 2 world level operators.

Crolla showed his level against Sykes, Youssef Al Hamidi and Mathews
Mathews has showed his level against Scott Lawton, Martin Lindsey, Harry Ramogoadi, CHOI!!!!!!, Gary Buckland, Emiliano Marsili, Gavin Rees, Terry Flannigan and you could argue Tommy Coyle.

Both should be banned from going at least 500 ft from a normal leather belt let alone a world belt.

bellchees wrote:No problem with this fight you just have to ignore that it is for a "World Title". Burns a decent Euro level fighter needs a confidence builder against a decent domestic level fighter, no harm in that.

How can you ignore it though?

Beltran deserves it. And Crawford was to get the first shot at either. So why ignore that? It stinks of that slimeball Hearn grasping at straws with his cherry picking.

Beltran was supposed to be a confidence builder. If Crolla battles to a draw with Burns will we ignore the world title when Burns gets another confidence builder after.

Hearn is just trying to keep the belt within his own set up. By signing Mitchell, Crolla, working with Mathews, Coyle etc. But there are more deserving international fighters who aren't with Matchroom that should be fighting for the belt.

I hope Top Rank flex their wings and force Burns to fight Crawford. Or have Crolla fight Crawford with the winner getting a title shot.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:It stinks of that slimeball Hearn grasping at straws with his cherry picking

Watch yourself saying anything bad about Fast Car Reborn. I made one or two comments yesterday about his competency and received personal insults for this. Eddie is 'Mr Immunity to Criticism' with some members of the forum on here at the moment

Haha Steffan I know.

Seems he is getting more and more egg on his face each time hes interviewed whether he's trying to defend Groves as a PPV fighter or Burns being shown up against his soft defence.

Or Carl Frampton doesn't need Scott Quigg, Scott Quigg needs Carl Frampton.....now its the other way around.

Or Andre Ward needs Carl Froch.....

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Or Andre Ward needs Carl Froch.....

He does. Not because Froch is better than him, but because he needs a big name and Froch fits the bill. Ward is boring and personally I wouldn't be bothered if I never watched another fight of his again.

So he should just fight Carl Froch every 6 months for the rest of his career then? There is more in the SMW division than the IBF and WBA regular title holder.

He doesn't need Froch. Carl Froch needs.....to stay clear and carry on fighting shot fighters and prospects.

Crolla Vs. Burns is probably quite a good fight to be honest. He just beat Rees aswell who has been in and around world level, he can mix it there in my opinion now, he's gotten a lot better recently.

Also, it is probably the best fight out there financially for them both.

Crolla is ranked top 10 now after the Rees win, so can't cry about it too much.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Carl Froch needs.....to stay clear and carry on fighting shot fighters and prospects

And needs to work on keeping that slimey mouth with its repulsive accent shut

It's a good domestic scrap. But calling it a world title is laughable. But Mr Personality Burns has a good manager.

Derry Matthews should be above Crolla in all rankings and that, pretty much, tells you all you need to know.

The persistant love-in with all things Gallgher's Gym is becomming ever more nausiating. Not one of them has had a world level fight and we're being made to believe each one of them is going to be ace! Even Paul Smith is talking world title shots.... De me a lemon. Stepped up against Groves and got KTFO.

Callum Smith and Stephen Smith very good though. Quigg might win the WBA regular against Salinas in a couple of weeks.

WBA regular title..... *sigh* But Quigg is very good all the same.

Which one is Stephen? Didn't he get sparked by Selby? Liam looked ordinary. Callum looks a monster but let's see what happens the first time he runs into someone who stands up to him. Paul Smith's level is European absolute tops.

Cardle is a snooze.

Crolla is tidy but hardly amazing.

Yeah, Stephen Smith got sparked by Selby, but Selby is starting to look like he could be world class, he sparked Buckland in his last fight and looked very good.

Really think Callum might just be something a little special.

RE Quigg KM, it is for the WBA Regular which is a stupid title, however no one at SBW will beat Rigo unless they land a hail mary, plus Salinas is genuine quality.

Not been overly impressed by Cardle either.

Crolla is a pretty small lightweight and Burns is a bit of a beast at the weight now. might be pretty tough for Crolla to get in range enough to hurt Burns. I quite like Crolla and wouldn't mind watching this fight. might be a good time to catch Burns. But why is the Beltran fight not next?? Burns does not desrve to be world champion. Hearns has embarrassed himself with this one

AS said previously, I'm so fed up with the Gallagher love-in I remain sceptical.  Not one has come up against proven world class and when they do, retrospecitvely, (Paul vs Groves, Steven vs Selby, Murray vs Rios) its lights out.  In fact, Gallagher left Murray in for so long the poor bloke was unrecognisable the next day and has barely fought since.

As you say, re Quigg, we'll be told over and over posy October 5th that's he's a world champ, an amazing story re Gallagher.

Crolla is a nice lad it seems but world class he isn't.  Two fights and no wins vs Matthews tells you that.  Derry knows his level too.

Personally think Crolla has hit into a level above since Mathews.

Beltrans team want the rematch in US, obviously never gonna happen. No money in it over there.

Its not like Burns is facing a total no name, Crolla beating Rees pushed him into top 10, its a defence against a top 10 fighter, the fact they are both British is even better for me.

It would be a good fight or a lonsdale belt.

If Crolla has moved up since Matthews I'd love to know how. Beating an ever declining Rees proves nothing to me. In fact, I'd wager Mitchell would carve Crolla up fairly easily and that's a fight that should be made first.

But I'm horribly blinkered so take all that with a pinch of salt. I just don't see it. World title fight?! Really?!?? Nah...

Maybe people hold Crolla in high regard because he was once supposed to fight Morales. Even an ancient one would have destroyed him.

Average domestic fighter who should barely be allowed a belt to keep his trousers up let alone a world title belt.