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GloriousEmpire, at his most benevolent and informative was keeping us updated on the Americas Cup. Now although it was not a rugby competition, it was International and did feature rugby players as crew. I was delighted to see the community based underdogs smacking the horrid, corporate funded yanks all over the 7 seas. However the updates have gone very quiet. Did NZ secure the whitewash? Is it over? Please GE I need to know how it stands.

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Yes it's a sport. Technology plays a huge part in it. Some people question whether it's too heavily biased towards technology and one of the losses to the regatta of an American win is that it's likely to stay that way, precluding any significant number of competitors because it's simply to expensive and the design curve too steep.

It's about as interesting as Formula 1.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Well done rainbow. Never let vehement anger and a lack of knowledge get in the way of expressing a random flailing opinion revealing your inner anxiety.

You know you got  when he turns to insults and fails address the topic completely. Where is my knowledge failing? Care to tell me how much NZ put in money wise? man who knows nothing 

Cyril wrote:It's about as interesting as Formula 1.

I agree. It's a shame Brits are so good at sailing as it's deathly dull. And in the case of the billionaire's plaything that the Americas Cup appears to be, also not a sport.

Did Oracle's sudden astonishing foiling stability rely on a powered gyro stabiliser? Today they have been unwilling to cooperate in explaining how their boat went from a dog to a winner in such short time.

Rumours abound that such a device, even powered by grinders would contravene the laws. Did the measurement committee miss a trick? Oracle have been found guilty of illegally modifying their boat once already. With the cup all but lost would it be beyond them to cheat again? And with such vast wealth resources at their disposal and national pride on the line, would it be beyond them to arrange for the measurement committee to miss it? 

Oracle bizarrely refused to deny such a device had been used today - the use of a powered foiling system is outlawed, do why not merely refute it? Strange indeed. Are they leaving the door open to defend such a system should they subsequently find they have a whistle blower amongst the team? 

Larry Ellison has merely said that the changes made were largely precipitated by some "direct and hard" words from known turn coat and dubious character of Russell coutts... The Americas Cup controversy continues. Watch the space.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Did Oracle's sudden astonishing foiling stability rely on a powered gyro stabiliser? Today they have been unwilling to cooperate in explaining how their boat went from a dog to a winner in such short time.

Rumours abound that such a device, even powered by grinders would contravene the laws. Did the measurement committee miss a trick? Oracle have been found guilty of illegally modifying their boat once already. With the cup all but lost would it be beyond them to cheat again? And with such vast wealth resources at their disposal and national pride on the line, would it be beyond them to arrange for the measurement committee to miss it? 

Oracle bizarrely refused to deny such a device had been used today - the use of a powered foiling system is outlawed, do why not merely refute it? Strange indeed. Are they leaving the door open to defend such a system should they subsequently find they have a whistle blower amongst the team? 

Larry Ellison has merely said that the changes made were largely precipitated by some "direct and hard" words from known turn coat and dubious character of Russell coutts... The Americas Cup controversy continues. Watch the space.

All legal and above board, Team NZ have agreed this is so and they would have had their posse of lawyers on the case. Just sour grapes and the inability to congratulate USA on a job well done, just have to try and squeeze any excuse for defeat its the kiwi way. How many times have we seen it when the AB's lose.

Team Dot Com NZ next time what a hoot (watch the news), possibly with 4 Square, Bunnings and Mitre 10 chipping in a few dollars.

Well if it's team dot com at least the yanks won't be able to spy on us this time!

I suspect team NZ don't have the evidence they need rainbow - and aside team NZ have always distinguished themselves as above the petty back stabbing that plagues the Americas cup, that's why they earn so many foreign fans, with even large numbers of Americans switching allegiance when oracle were first outed as a bunch  of low life cheats.

I have to say, the aftermath of this cup failure has been taken a lot better by the NZ public than last time. TNZ have been gracious in defeat. I think rainbow warrior, that you are not portraying the truth.

When Will the whistle blower in OTUSA step forth and reveal the active stabilization truth that we all know is the reality? I guess if you find the statute if limitations on cheating in the Americas cup we can predict the day. The fact is if you were going to play your win at all costs card you'd play it at 8-1, match point. It would've been smarter to play it earlier I suppose and hence leave a grain of credibility in the saga. But perhaps it wasn't ready... Is it possible that Ben Ainslie was willing to participate quietly in the ugly sham whereas his predecessor was not? Food for thought...

ebop wrote:I have to say, the aftermath of this cup failure has been taken a lot better by the NZ public than last time. TNZ have been gracious in defeat. I think rainbow warrior, that you are not portraying the truth.

Dont let Rainbow Warrior fool you...he's a thoroughly converted to kiwi who loves it here but just chooses these boards to align with his non kiwi side...gets to have the best of both worlds... 

Taylorman wrote:

ebop wrote:I have to say, the aftermath of this cup failure has been taken a lot better by the NZ public than last time. TNZ have been gracious in defeat. I think rainbow warrior, that you are not portraying the truth.

Dont let Rainbow Warrior fool you...he's a thoroughly converted to kiwi who loves it here but just chooses these boards to align with his non kiwi side...gets to have the best of both worlds... 

Taylor you are very close to the truth. Unfortunately I have seen the lack of respect shown to teams that dare beat NZ at anything mate. It is always an excuse other than the best team winning. I think this is the focus of the media more than the sportsmen involved but it still leaves a bitter taste when you hear it spouted all the time.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

ebop wrote:I have to say, the aftermath of this cup failure has been taken a lot better by the NZ public than last time. TNZ have been gracious in defeat. I think rainbow warrior, that you are not portraying the truth.

Dont let Rainbow Warrior fool you...he's a thoroughly converted to kiwi who loves it here but just chooses these boards to align with his non kiwi side...gets to have the best of both worlds... 

Taylor you are very close to the truth.  Unfortunately I have seen the lack of respect shown to teams that dare beat NZ at anything mate.  It is always an excuse other than the best team winning.  I think this is the focus of the media more than the sportsmen involved but it still leaves a bitter taste when you hear it spouted all the time.  

Understood...

Breaking news today that in a tremendous sporting gesture Emirates Team New Zealand will not mount a legal challenge over Oracle's probably illegal automatic "herbie" foiling system. The system introduced at 8-1 down appears to contravene laws that stipulated that foiling systems must be manually operated.  Oracle's superior stability whilst foiling up wind handed them the win with 8 straight wins typified by an outstanding upwind speed gain. 

Disappointing that the Americans chose to essentially cheat a second time.

Coutts emphatically denies the intro of the automated system...anyway any win by us would seem out of place...I say let sleeping dogs lie...

Coutts and Ellison will both win at any cost. That's all I will say.

Some sour grapes here (yet again).

Is praise for the winners too much for you lot (and by 'you lot' I mostly mean GE and the press)?

Well Cyril there's only a need be sporting if the opposition haven't cheated. It's a fact oracle cheated once and despite TNZ's great sportsmanship it appears they've cheated a second time. Despicable if true but the fact is the boat race appears to have been rigged from the inside - the perfect sporting crime?

I guess there's no way NZ can lose in any sport unless there's some skulduggery involved.

I suppose you're not to blame as you're brainwashed by your press.

Oracle were penalised for cheating Cyril. No brainwashing there, just facts.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Oracle were penalised for cheating Cyril. No brainwashing there, just facts.

Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well. Sour grapes and appalling lack of respect for a team massively more experienced at sailing a massively more expensive yacht. Fact was Oracle took their -2 penalty and came back and won 11 - 8 in the end, nuff said.

"Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well"


your grapes are the sourest

mystiroakey wrote:"Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well"


your grapes are the sourest

How are they, I have nothing to moan about lad.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:Oracle were penalised for cheating Cyril. No brainwashing there, just facts.

Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well.  Sour grapes and appalling lack of respect for a team massively more experienced at sailing a massively more expensive yacht.  Fact was Oracle took their -2 penalty and came back and won 11 - 8 in the end, nuff said.

No, actually team NZ were massively more experienced and the yachts cost roughly the same - both having been designed and constructed in New Zealand by New Zealand boat builders working for New Zealand companies.

Team NZ invented the foiling concept but were forced to keep the system manual. The difference in speed from the 8-1 point to 8-9 is a result of the Oracle catamaran automating the foiling configuration which is illegal under the laws. They appear to have worked around this by requiring someone to hold down a button to "operate it manually" which surprisingly, or not, the American measurement committee decided to belatedly allow. It's clearly contrary to the spirit of the regatta.

But in the whole rainbow, since you clearly have no actual knowledge of the event and your interest is purely and obviously an opportunity to vent some of your frustrated anxious scadenfreude suggest you don't make ridiculous statements that make you look like an uneducated buffoon.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:Oracle were penalised for cheating Cyril. No brainwashing there, just facts.

Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well.  Sour grapes and appalling lack of respect for a team massively more experienced at sailing a massively more expensive yacht.  Fact was Oracle took their -2 penalty and came back and won 11 - 8 in the end, nuff said.

No, actually team NZ were massively more experienced and the yachts cost roughly the same - both having been designed and constructed in New Zealand by New Zealand boat builders working for New Zealand companies.

Team NZ invented the foiling concept but were forced to keep the system manual. The difference in speed from the 8-1 point to 8-9 is a result of the Oracle catamaran automating the foiling configuration which is illegal under the laws. They appear to have worked around this by requiring someone to hold down a button to "operate it manually" which surprisingly, or not, the American measurement committee decided to belatedly allow. It's clearly contrary to the spirit of the regatta.

But in the whole rainbow, since you clearly have no actual knowledge of the event and your interest is purely and obviously an opportunity to vent some of your frustrated anxious scadenfreude suggest you don't make ridiculous statements that make you look like an uneducated buffoon.

Hahahaha buffoon with no education, what a grand gesture from someone so far down the food chain.


You see the odd thing I am experiencing is, it seems to be only you making an issue about this. None of the NZ media are throwing their rattles out the pram any more and nor are the public of New Zealand, odd aye:) Team New Zealand have accepted the decision as legal and had they the same cash could have done the same as Oracle. They could have flown out a few Kiwi's from Wellsford to do the same as Oracle did.

Still keep on sucking them lemons  on you one boy crusade, you are the typical example of bitterness when it comes to defeat by any NZ team ....and stop making up words you dyslexic bonehead.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:"Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well"


your grapes are the sourest

How are they, I have nothing to moan about lad.

whats with the dodgy 'english' comment then

mystiroakey wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:"Imagine if team NZ had gone down with food poisoning and a dodgy English ref was to blame as well"


your grapes are the sourest

How are they, I have nothing to moan about lad.

whats with the dodgy 'english' comment then

OMG keep up, read the posts and you may figure it out. Why would I as a Welshman have any gripe with an English ref, after all when we whoop England it is not a English ref is it??? Go figure.

what are you talking about. I take it you are just racist then? and its just normal to make those sort of comments!

what's wrong with just saying a dodgy ref?

is that truly so hard for you.

Why the association with nationality?

Agree mystri, the poster is out of order.

Oh come on GE you are just as bad as we all can be. But reading RW's comments again has just reminded me of the depths of his xenophobia and victimized personality.

He takes it to another level. Every post has to incorporate some form of xenophobia.

Sorry for derailing your thread! I know nothing about the topic!

I will end it here

Agree with you mystri.

mystiroakey wrote:Oh come on GE you are just as bad as we all can be. But reading RW's comments again has just reminded me of the depths of his xenophobia and victimized personality.

He takes it to another level. Every post has to incorporate some form of xenophobia.

Sorry for derailing your thread! I know nothing about the topic!

I will end it here

Pity you show no intelligence to postings and their meanings, your chip is weighing down that shoulder more and more.

If you read the post where I mention the english ref, try and understand the context in which it is meant. The food poisoning = S Africa world cup final get it yet. Cheating ref = France Q Final. Now put into the context of Kiwis and their inability to praise a team beating them in any sport THINGS KIWIS say NOT ME.....get it yet?????

Keep up numpties.

Oh i get the context.

What has it got to do with the ref being english though?

Again why didn't you just state dodgy ref!!

mystiroakey wrote:Oh i get the context.

What has it got to do with the ref being english though?

Again why didn't you just state dodgy ref!!

Oh dear, shall we change Wayne Barnes nationality???? so we don't upset you ?

You forgot to mention warburton = RWC11 rainbow warrior, whoops sorry that's not NZ

ebop wrote:You forgot to mention warburton = RWC11 rainbow warrior, whoops sorry that's not NZ

I also believe the Welsh did not whinge about the sending off. That's the difference.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Oh i get the context.

What has it got to do with the ref being english though?

Again why didn't you just state dodgy ref!!

Oh dear, shall we change Wayne Barnes nationality???? so we don't upset you ?  

Why would you change his nationailty?

rainbow-warrior wrote:

ebop wrote:You forgot to mention warburton = RWC11 rainbow warrior, whoops sorry that's not NZ

I also believe the Welsh did not whinge about the sending off.  That's the difference.

I assume that's a joke!

Cyril wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

ebop wrote:You forgot to mention warburton = RWC11 rainbow warrior, whoops sorry that's not NZ

I also believe the Welsh did not whinge about the sending off.  That's the difference.

I assume that's a joke!

Has to be, but sometimes you cannot be sure.