Fury's dilemma

by armchairwarrior Wed 25 Sep 2013, 11:16 am

First topic message reminder :

My daughter has a passing interest in boxing. Give or take a few different words this is how it went....

At breakfast....

Dad, someone told me that Tyson Fury will take a keep busy fight. Whats the difference between a fight and a keep busy fight?

Tyson just wants to keep his form from his camp and fight someone much lower ranked on TV so as to not jeopardize his fight with Haye in Feb.

So..he wants an opponent who is easy and won't win.

well...Kind of...sort of like a work out for Tyson and a bit of an opportunity for someone lower down

So, its not really a competitive fight then is it if the other guy can't win - some opportunity!

I didn't say "can't" just almost certainly won't

Well whats the point then. Say if tennis was like boxing, it's like Andy Murray would play world no 196 in November waiting for Nadal in February...and who on earth would bother to watch a 6-0 6-0 thrashing. What would be the point?

erm..well ( starting to struggle )...people always like to see a fight, and Tyson's a name now through associations with Haye and people just will tune in to see fists fly whatever....

So, people will watch a really big guy beating up another guy who hasn't much hope for fun then?...

Ermm...well ( starting to fall apart and checking watch for meeting )

Thats really rubbish...Isn't it like badger baiting or where people set dogs on tied up bears..

Erm..no..NO ( finds argument )..ITS NOT. Because both are consenting adults and agree and get paid...( aha! )

Ok, so that makes it all ok then. Two guys fight each other and one has deliberately been picked because he is nowhere near as good is almost certainly going to lose and possibly be badly hurt and people watch it and its all ok because everyone taking part consents and are getting paid. Why is that a sport though?

Erm..gotta go to a meeting..

Tyson Fury faces a interesting dilemma though.

If he stays busy, who does he fight?

If its a Mike Middleton northern doorman or the like and a one round stoppage he will just be ridiculed.

If its someone like Chisora, that would be great for boxing, but very very risky for Tyson particularly as he is on good form at present ( Chisora would be insanely motivated to derail Fury )

I suspect Haye's "sparring partners" won't get a look in...

Who are the in-betweeners that Fury could get for November?

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 9:58 pm

Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.

by Steffan Wed 25 Sep 2013, 9:59 pm

Id still like to see Fury take on David Price now thinking about it. Would be one sided traffic but would also be funny to see what excuses the Fury haters and 'The Cult of David Price who would knockout Fury' would come up with

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:02 pm

I would love to see it Steffan, it would be like a Wild West gunfight 2 big lugs with no chins trying to land the big shot first.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:04 pm

hogey wrote:Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.

Shape of his life? You don't over egg things do you. He wss not in shape. Look at his physique.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:05 pm

Fury has a far chin than price. Plus he isn't a coward.

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:10 pm

azania wrote:
hogey wrote:Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.
Shape of his life? You don't over egg things do you. He wss not in shape. Look at his physique.

I did and his physique was as trimmed and toned as he had ever been and then to make sure i looked at his previous fights as well and it is clear he was in great shape for the Chisora fight, suggest you do more research before trying to perpetuate a new myth. Frankly you have been telling porkies about Furys condition for the fight all afternoon. I will leave it now because you dont strike me as the sort to hold his hands up and say fair enough i got it wrong.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:13 pm

You are joking right? Look at the ribbing he got when someone posted a pic of him a few weeks ago when he struck a pose supposedly to show off his physique.

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:13 pm

azania wrote:Fury has a far chin than price. Plus he isn't a coward.

Both Chinny as each other just easier to get up when a cruiser or Pajkec knock you down than a top 10 heavyweight.
Neither are cowards that's a ridiculously immature thing to say even for a young lad as yourself.
50/50 fight for me, who lands first wins.

by horizontalhero Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:16 pm

lumbering, just to answer your question, yes finishing your point with the word fact, typed in capital letters, when in fact all you have done is offer a subjective opinion does indeed make you look like a prize prat.

by catchweight Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:20 pm

Price could take Fury out early but if it goes past 3 rounds hes done for. Fury has the bigger heart, better stamina and more stomach for the fight though. He managed to drag himself through tough fights in the past. Price quit against Thompson when things got tough.

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:21 pm

azania wrote:You are joking right? Look at the ribbing he got when someone posted a pic of him a few weeks ago when he struck a pose supposedly to show off his physique.

He cant change the way he was born he will never have body like a Wlad, but he was slim, toned and in shape and the same weight that he had his last fight against Cunningham, you have no doubt seen the pictures now and know it too and so will anyone else who takes the time to goggle it. You have tried to make it sound like Fury was out of shape and flabby when it could not have been further from the truth. Still disgusts me that Chisora was so unprofessional for that fight i mean how the hell can a midget heavy like Chisora come in heavier than a giant like Fury even if Fury was at one of his lightest weights.

by **88Chris05** Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:22 pm

Well I think Hogey is right to a degree, as Fury's shape for the Chisora fight was definitely the best he'd shown up until that point. But there's the rub - that doesn't necessarily mean he was in particularly good condition, given how poor his previous turn outs had been!

Fury wasn't exactly full of industry in that fight, and both men were having to buy themselves breathers whenever they could. Fury showed an improvement in his conditioning, but it was probably still below what should be expected of a legitimate Heavyweight contender, which he hadn't fully become at that stage.

No denying, for me at least, that the Fury who turned up weighing 245-ish for the Rogan and Maddalone fights, and an ever so slightly heavier 248 against Johnson, was the most in-shape version we've seen so far and it showed. He was more active, sharper with his punches and certainly seemed to give off an air of good core strength, too. He'd crept back up to 254 for Cunningham, and to me looked a bit too fleshy around the edges and a shade slower for it. If he can get back to around 245-247 for Haye, he'll be in business, I think.

While Fury's got insane height and reach, he's no Wladimir - not as naturally thick set or muscular. The lad has pipe cleaner legs on him for a start! Rumour has it that he and Peter were apparently aiming for a weight of around 255-260 for Haye, which I'd have concerns about.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:23 pm

hogey wrote:
azania wrote:Fury has a far chin than price. Plus he isn't a coward.
Both Chinny as each other just easier to get up when a cruiser or Pajkec knock you down than a top 10 heavyweight.
Neither are cowards that's a ridiculously immature thing to say even for a young lad as yourself.
50/50 fight for me, who lands first wins.

So every boxer who gets decked when caught square and flush is chinny. Equally as chinny as someone who breakdances after a clip by the ear. Ok. Price is a coward in boxing terms. He gave his back to quit when attacked. No heart and no hope.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:24 pm

hogey wrote:
azania wrote:You are joking right? Look at the ribbing he got when someone posted a pic of him a few weeks ago when he struck a pose supposedly to show off his physique.
He cant change the way he was born he will never have body like a Wlad, but he was slim, toned and in shape and the same weight that he had his last fight against Cunningham, you have no doubt seen the pictures now and know it too and so will anyone else who takes the time to goggle it. You have tried to make it sound like Fury was out of shape and flabby when it could not have been further from the truth. Still disgusts me that Chisora was so unprofessional for that fight i mean how the hell can a midget heavy like Chisora come in heavier than a giant like Fury even if Fury was at one of his lightest weights.

Now its genetic. Any more?

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:26 pm

Sorry that laughing thing shouldn't be there. Posting from my phone.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:27 pm

horizontalhero wrote:lumbering, just to answer your question, yes finishing your point with the word fact, typed in capital letters, when in fact all you have done is offer a subjective opinion does indeed make you look like a prize prat.

Get over yourself.

by hogey Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:30 pm

Mate you were talking BS and have been caught out.
On the subject of chins i think its fair to say anyone who gets decked by Pajkec and Cunningham is chinny.

by azania Wed 25 Sep 2013, 10:34 pm

Fair enough. Hatton got dropped by that irish bloke and out by a light hitting floyd. I suppose he is chinny. Out on his feet by callazo also.

Fury is no vitali but he is vitali in comparison to priceless.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:13 am

hogey wrote:Mate you were talking BS and have been caught out.
On the subject of chins i think its fair to say anyone who gets decked by Pajkec and Cunningham is chinny.

What you are saying is right but there is no point arguing with AZ, he would gladly write 5 pages of just repeating the same thing.

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 8:16 am

Great contribution to the thread cs.

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 26 Sep 2013, 8:28 am

Funny how Truss goes on "holiday" and this runt turns up all day everyday...

Coincidence?

by bhb001 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 8:59 am

Although I disagree with most of what Az says, he has every right to say it. The issue is that lots of people on this board seem to think that getting in the last word means they have won the argument, which leads to threads like this; regurgitation of old arguments, purile and too long for the subject. If we could keep to argument, response, rebuttal, we may keep on track.

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 9:05 am

LJ it has been established beyond reasonable doubt that you are not the sharpest tool in the box. But do you have to go all out to prove it?

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 9:28 am

I hate having to log in every time so I don't have to see Azanias drivel. I shall never complain when he leaves the board again. Actually found myself not posting because he's here and all he does is talk utter shizenhauser while insulting other people. He's like a baby Trussman minus knowledge and wit.

by **Union Cane** Thu 26 Sep 2013, 9:35 am

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I hate having to log in every time so I don't have to see Azanias drivel. I shall never complain when he leaves the board again. Actually found myself not posting because he's here and all he does is talk utter shizenhauser while insulting other people. He's like a baby Trussman minus knowledge and wit.

Ignore him then?

Just a thought...

by TopHat24/7 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 9:47 am

hogey wrote:
azania wrote:
hogey wrote:Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.
Shape of his life? You don't over egg things do you. He wss not in shape. Look at his physique.
I did and his physique was as trimmed and toned as he had ever been and then to make sure i looked at his previous fights as well and it is clear he was in great shape for the Chisora fight, suggest you do more research before trying to perpetuate a new myth. Frankly you have been telling porkies about Furys condition for the fight all afternoon. I will leave it now because you dont strike me as the sort to hold his hands up and say fair enough i got it wrong.

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/chisora-261-fury-255-5-chisora-at-career-high-weight-for-fight-with-fury/

Photo of Tyson Fury at the Chisora weign in.

Only a complete moron would suggest that that was Tyson in equally out of shape condition as Chisora - a guy half a foot shorter but weighing in almost half a stone heavier!!

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 10:24 am

Union Cane wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:I hate having to log in every time so I don't have to see Azanias drivel. I shall never complain when he leaves the board again. Actually found myself not posting because he's here and all he does is talk utter shizenhauser while insulting other people. He's like a baby Trussman minus knowledge and wit.
Ignore him then?

Just a thought...

Don't worry. He threatens to ignore many people but never does. Says a lot really. Sad thing is I never reply to anything he writes.

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 10:31 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
hogey wrote:
azania wrote:
hogey wrote:Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.
Shape of his life? You don't over egg things do you. He wss not in shape. Look at his physique.
I did and his physique was as trimmed and toned as he had ever been and then to make sure i looked at his previous fights as well and it is clear he was in great shape for the Chisora fight, suggest you do more research before trying to perpetuate a new myth. Frankly you have been telling porkies about Furys condition for the fight all afternoon. I will leave it now because you dont strike me as the sort to hold his hands up and say fair enough i got it wrong.
http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/chisora-261-fury-255-5-chisora-at-career-high-weight-for-fight-with-fury/

Photo of Tyson Fury at the Chisora weign in.

Only a complete moron would suggest that that was Tyson in equally out of shape condition as Chisora - a guy half a foot shorter but weighing in almost half a stone heavier!!

Some revisionism going on here. Fury gets slated constantly for being out of shape. Now against del he was in the shape of his life even though he came in heavy. Yes del was also out of shape. Not denied that. But now we are saying that fury was in shape despite the ribbing he has got on here for always being out of shape.

Oh it's genetics. The hypocrisy is hilarious. Bring it on

by hogey Thu 26 Sep 2013, 10:47 am

No Fury was is very good shape for the Chisora fight he got ribbing for always being out of shape in previous fights having looked at it this was the first time he actually got himself prepared properly and has been about the same in all fights since. Oh and Fury came in at one of his lightest weights ever for the fight not heavy, as i said he was only a 1lb heavier for Chisora than Cunningham.

Some comments from the weigh in for you:
"Dereck Chisora caused shock waves to ripple through the boxing community today by weighing in at a career high 261 soft and loose-looking pounds for tomorrow’s heavyweight title clash with challenger Tyson Fury"
" Fury, on the other hand, is down 5.5 pounds from his previous bout, At the weigh-in, Fury looked lean and muscular, a far cry from the soft, doughy looking fighter seen in previous Fury outings"

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:01 am

Sigh. Fury is always criticised here for being out of shape. Not once have I read about him being in shape. A pic was posted of him showing off his apparent lean physique only to be met with ridicule here for being out of shape. All of a sudden things change because del came in as a slob.

Bottom line is fury won. That is what you guys don't like.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:07 am

I think Chisora lost it more then Fury won it to be fair.

by Adam D Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:14 am

azania wrote:Sigh. Fury is always criticised here for being out of shape. Not once have I read about him being in shape. A pic was posted of him showing off his apparent lean physique only to be met with ridicule here for being out of shape. All of a sudden things change because del came in as a slob.

Bottom line is fury won. That is what you guys don't like.

The pic posted on here was to do with the Haye fight.

You are arguing over his state of physique from a different fight.

Face it Az you lost this argument. You have been weighed and measured and found wanting.

Accept defeat and move on before you turn even people who really like Tyson, like myself, against him.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:15 am

azania wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
hogey wrote:
azania wrote:
hogey wrote:Suggest you have a look at the fight again or even the weigh in photos Fury was in the shape of his life up to that point. Shame i cant post the pictures up for you to see but they are easy to find. First time i ever seen Tyson with 6 pack funny enough.
Shape of his life? You don't over egg things do you. He wss not in shape. Look at his physique.
I did and his physique was as trimmed and toned as he had ever been and then to make sure i looked at his previous fights as well and it is clear he was in great shape for the Chisora fight, suggest you do more research before trying to perpetuate a new myth. Frankly you have been telling porkies about Furys condition for the fight all afternoon. I will leave it now because you dont strike me as the sort to hold his hands up and say fair enough i got it wrong.
http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/chisora-261-fury-255-5-chisora-at-career-high-weight-for-fight-with-fury/

Photo of Tyson Fury at the Chisora weign in.

Only a complete moron would suggest that that was Tyson in equally out of shape condition as Chisora - a guy half a foot shorter but weighing in almost half a stone heavier!!
Some revisionism going on here. Fury gets slated constantly for being out of shape. Now against del he was in the shape of his life even though he came in heavy. Yes del was also out of shape. Not denied that. But now we are saying that fury was in shape despite the ribbing he has got on here for always being out of shape.

Oh it's genetics. The hypocrisy is hilarious. Bring it on

No revisionism from me (though it's always hilarious to see you accuse someone ELSE of hypocrisy, wonderful irony there). Am not saying he was in great shape (don't think he ever has been) and would agree with Chris that his best shape to date was v Kingpin and 245-247 should be what he's aiming for. But the Del fight was the best shape he had been at that point and, whilst still not great shape, to suggest he was in equally bad shape as Chisora is utterly absurd and fallacious.

The difference between that Fury and peak shape Fury is 7-8 lbs. The difference between that Del and peak Del (the fight just gone) was 2 stone!!

by **Union Cane** Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:23 am

Spoiler:

by hogey Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:37 am

Az anyone looking at the pictures of the fight of the weigh in can see Fury was in decent shape, you are making yourself look a fool. Are you any relation to Comical Ali Saddam's old propaganda minister the bloke who was giving and interview insisting that they were winning the war and the Allied troops would not set foot in Baghdad while behind him as he spoke US tanks were driving down the road. Comical Aza Laugh

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:43 am

Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS

by Adam D Thu 26 Sep 2013, 11:50 am

Union Cane wrote:
Spoiler:

You should have picked a cover version of the song before you are accused of racism!

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:14 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS

I had Mac winning but do you have a point?

by JabMachineMK2 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:29 pm

Union Cane wrote:
JabMachineMK2 wrote:I hate having to log in every time so I don't have to see Azanias drivel. I shall never complain when he leaves the board again. Actually found myself not posting because he's here and all he does is talk utter shizenhauser while insulting other people. He's like a baby Trussman minus knowledge and wit.
Ignore him then?

Just a thought...

I did add him to the foe list, but being that I have been lurking rather than posting because of posters like Azania - it auto logged me out, and then forced me to log in to not see his posts.

Ironic I know.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:32 pm

azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?

That Fury isnt really that good?

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:39 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?
That Fury isnt really that good?

Is that why you are all out to take credit away from him regardless of who he beats? What of the rematch? Lets not forget that was his 7th fight and mac was a seasoned vet who was robbed against Williams.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:42 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?
That Fury isnt really that good?

He beat the world class Kevin Johnson who earned his world class status by bein battered by a world class opponent in Vitali.....

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:48 pm

azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?
That Fury isnt really that good?
Is that why you are all out to take credit away from him regardless of who he beats? What of the rematch? Lets not forget that was his 7th fight and mac was a seasoned vet who was robbed against Williams.

8th Fight

And a shot to poo Williams who was humiliated in his next fight against Carl Baker thumbsup

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:52 pm

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?
That Fury isnt really that good?
He beat the world class Kevin Johnson who earned his world class status by bein battered by a world class opponent in Vitali.....

That was literally AZ's argument as to why Kevin Johsnon was world class.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 26 Sep 2013, 12:57 pm

azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Yer Az needs to get a grip. Fury was schooled by McDermott FFS
I had Mac winning but do you have a point?

Now there's a surprise....... Rolling Eyes

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 1:19 pm

Of course. All his opponents have an asterisk. Wonder what Hayes will be?

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 1:20 pm

No cs. I said world level. But honesty is not your strong point.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 1:22 pm

azania wrote:Of course. All his opponents have an asterisk. Wonder what Hayes will be?

Its better then Fury's. Even at heavyweight.

by azania Thu 26 Sep 2013, 1:27 pm

Ha. That has to be a joke. The only good hw he fought beat him. But my point is that why there will be an asterisk on Haye after fury beats him.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 26 Sep 2013, 1:34 pm

azania wrote:Ha. That has to be a joke. The only good hw he fought beat him. But my point is that why there will be an asterisk on Haye after fury beats him.

After Fury beats Haye Laugh

That has to be a joke.

Cant see anyone on Furys CV that is better then Haye has fought. Can you shed any light on this?

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